a self pollinated F1, what might pop out?

[igrowone]

cold april

cold april

a prolonged delay, had a very cold April
grow area is partially heated and it suffered with the cool
that said, it has flowered and doesn't look bad
in particular, no balls a showing, that is a gold star for these genetics
give it another month to be sure, but this has been the safe point in the past

 

[CannaZen]

I have a question. Is there enough genetic drift when you self a plant to select for things like shorter internodes and wider leaves so that the plant may become compacted, how much can be accomplished?

Can you self a plant into a pure indica like freakishly wide leaves and squat height?


Thank you.

 

[Sign]

I just finished this thread from the beginning and even without being able to see the pictures it was still a great read, thank you for sharing so many years worth of your time and discoveries with us

 

[hoki2test]

LOL

LOL

G `day Tazz

Your back !
And your imagination has not diminished a bit !

F 168 ? 3 crops a year that`s 56 years of breeding . You must be weary . So generous of you to take the time to enlighten the ignorant , Bravo !

Thanks for sharin

EB .

LOL Thank you for sharin too Elmer Bud F168 was some funny shit ....you got to give him points for that imagination!

 

[Natural high]

I have a question. Is there enough genetic drift when you self a plant to select for things like shorter internodes and wider leaves so that the plant may become compacted, how much can be accomplished?

Can you self a plant into a pure indica like freakishly wide leaves and squat height?


Thank you.

Genetic drift refers to the loss of specific alleles in a population due to random chance, so not really applicable here.

Is there enough genetic variation? It depends on the existing genetics and the level of heterozygosity. A high level of heterozygosity means that more variation is possible within in the S1 progeny.

A fairly stable (homozygous) sativa would likely produce S1 phenotypes very similar to the parent. On the other hand, a selfed F1 sativa/indica hybrid would likely produce a mix of offspring with some indica phenotypes, but nothing too extreme.

To find the extreme indica phenotype you are are referring to, I think you need to start with a hybrid of two pure indica strains with similar qualities to what you are looking to enhance.

I hope this helps.

 

[igrowone]

genetics/pheno become clearer
best is no nanners, looks definite
sativa traits much
parent had indica fans down low, but narrow type sativa buds
7 weeks of 12/12, gonna be another 4 weeks easy, damn
another seedling, day 1 2nd pic

 

[igrowone]

time again for an update of genetic lottery experiment in s1 seeds
all clean of male parts, but won't tally the hermie stats until harvest day
what i see is an indica/sativa that showing a lot of sativa
thin tight buds, not going to be a monster yielder for sure
this was week 9, my guess of 11 looks pretty close
not a lot of smell when just sitting around and growing
but rubbed, major smell, a sweet cannabis smell
the sweetest i've yet had

 

[igrowone]

day 1 flower

day 1 flower

for memories sake, day 1 flower of the next in line
seems to have more of a hybrid vigor
few of the S1's seem to show that, definitely see a performance penalty most of the time

 

[igrowone]

11 1/2 weeks

11 1/2 weeks

the cut is done, 11 1/2 weeks of 12/12 or so, long grow
but no male stuff, clean as clean can be, that's 7 clean females so far
and 6 of the 2 sexed beasts
i did fuck up a bit on this, i probably should have left the lower half of the plant to further mature
but the upper half was done, no time for regrets
the sample vape was real good, a very sweet taste and tremendous kick for uncured product
will edit in the final smoke report after the 2 week cure
yield was fair, no oz but more than 1/2 zip

edit: the smoke quality
sweet smell, almost floral
taste very light, not much to it actually
the sugar leaves were like sugar, far nicer than the bud taste wise
the effect, that's the better of the bunch
creeper, strong, somewhat foggy but still on the sativa side
another week would have probably been better

 

[CannaRed]

Great job!

Great job!

Just read whole thread. Excellent. Great experiment. Thank you for taking the time over years to both do this experiment and post it on here for the community to learn.

I received some strains that just had labels with initials, and can't get anymore info as far as what they really are.
I had a "GSC" that hermed and it pollinated itself and a two other strain - an airy bud sativa labled "kt1", a strain labeled "GSC M" that looked similar to "GSC" but was in my opinion all around better.
And a pineapple Express.

So I decided to grow out some - against the advice of my mentor, and alot of people on here too.
So far 2 out of 2 GSC S1s have came out herm at 1 month in bud. I pulled them so they wouldn't " infect the room"
1 kt1 x GSC showed only male flowers two weeks in so pulled it.
Another still in veg.
The pineapple Express x GSC still in veg.

Was gonna kill them but saw this the other day under new posts. gonna stick them by itself somewhere and grow it out. You've inspired me.

 

[igrowone]

interesting, you saw a male from a feminized seed
i saw just 1 of those myself, it was a screwed up male though
admire your guts to take a chance, hope your last 2 treat you right

 

[CannaRed]

interesting, you saw a male from a feminized seed
i saw just 1 of those myself, it was a screwed up male though
admire your guts to take a chance, hope your last 2 treat you right

I yanked as soon as I seen the balls. But s/he probably would have been messed up too.

 

[Mlewis1987]

Awesome thread. Really nice job brother

 

[Cakeboy]

Hi you said at the start of the thread that you liked the anti anxiety affect of the strain. Has this been a consistent effect with each one you have grown out? Thx

 

[igrowone]

Hi you said at the start of the thread that you liked the anti anxiety affect of the strain. Has this been a consistent effect with each one you have grown out? Thx

fine question sir
i will say fairly consistent, not perfect but definitely better than most other genetics i've grown

 

[igrowone]

3 week flower

3 week flower

moving right along here, started this 1 on 12/12 3 weeks ago
this is a hermie, oh well, 7/14 straight femmes
but flowering strong and fast, as fast as i've yet seen
and the roosters have been very controllable, looks spotless from the fertilization point of view

 

[CannaRed]

Hey igrowone,
Have you seen a plant that shows both sexes yet is infertile?

Maybe you collected pollen from a male but couldn't get seeds to form.

Or a female bud that just couldn't be pollenated by known viable male pollen?

 

[igrowone]

Hey igrowone,
Have you seen a plant that shows both sexes yet is infertile?

Maybe you collected pollen from a male but couldn't get seeds to form.

Or a female bud that just couldn't be pollenated by known viable male pollen?

sterile hermies are supposedly out there, mine have all been fertile
and i have seen talk of infertile females, but no direct experience of it

 

[igrowone]

so how's my hermie? not as much fun as a straight femme, i can tell you that
that said, this does have some redeeming values
damn few male flowers, i've had a few that were a little less prolific with the males
but this plant is definitely a lot less, though still a pain in the ass to comb through
and the ripening time, that's looking fast, may well be close to 8 weeks

 

[CannaRed]

I am trying to get some pollen from my High Voltage male. Yesterday morning I discovered female flowers on the very top of my male plant.

Could be my quarantine chamber is leaking light.