A real tipping point in America...is about to be reached?

[Dorje113]

is the core, and i mean the real core, the automation of the world?
fewer people needed to make the wealth, this has been happening for a LONG time
new industries add new jobs, but old industries are devoured, along with their jobs
new jobs get worse and worse, more and more wealth goes to the few
are we reaching the end of this game?

I agree.

We have 7 billion people now, and we don't need them all to be working 40 hours a week using modern technology to manufacture goods and produce food and provide services. It seems obvious there just isn't enough work, even if there was it would not be sustainable with current technology combined with further population growth.

My simple solution involves people working 25% less, for starters. It would have to be dictated by gov't policy just like the current 40 hour week is. There would simply be more people working fewer hours. Tax penalties for having kids instead of credits maybe?

 

[SpasticGramps]

As one who was personally involved with the 60's counterculture beginnings I wish you all success. For the record the 60's movement was already diluted and "acknowledged as dead" in 1968. The establishment had already assimilated and diffused the look and feel and was using these tools and means for their own purposes by then.

And the cycle repeats. There is the gist of it.

Strong the machine is.

 

[xmobotx]

My simple solution involves people working 25% less, for starters. It would have to be dictated by gov't policy just like the current 40 hour week is. There would simply be more people working fewer hours. Tax penalties for having kids instead of credits maybe?

this is something i also considered as a "solution" a 32 hr work week

some folks might just have to "tighten their belts" but there should be a stipulation where bigger companies w/ larger profit margins are obliged to a higher minimum wage

mom & pop's struggle w/ minimum wage where it is but many wouldn't even be affected by the lower hour requirement

40 hrs a week is too much of one's life to give a way for a few meager dollars anyway

 

[SpasticGramps]

this is something i also considered as a "solution" a 32 hr work week

some folks might just have to "tighten their belts" but there should be a stipulation where bigger companies w/ larger profit margins are obliged to a higher minimum wage

mom & pop's struggle w/ minimum wage where it is but many wouldn't even be affected by the lower hour requirement

40 hrs a week is too much of one's life to give a way for a few meager dollars anyway

So this all strikes me as the typical Neo-Keyensian engineering outlook. Let's pull this lever on the economy and this lever and micro engineer this thing to perfection.

I'm all about a 80% reduction in work hours. Let's go all in. That would give us almost 2% unemployment right?

 

[FreedomFightr]

as far as movements and counter culture, you guys should be carefull. Ever hear of Culture Creation? "They" create counter cultures to keep people divided.

 

[Hydrosun]

So this all strikes me as the typical Neo-Keyensian engineering outlook. Let's pull this lever on the economy and this lever and micro engineer this thing to perfection.

I'm all about a 80% reduction in work hours. Let's go all in. That would give us almost 2% unemployment right?

Now I see the wisdom of socialism. If there was an 8 hour a week maximum then anyone who wanted a job would have one. Also the corporations could pay full health care costs for way more workers and wouldn't have to worry about the cash on the books.

Try to work more than 8 hours in a week and the government should fine and imprison the scabby worker.

Just imagine how many jobs there will be working as a prison guards if it takes 21 employees to cover a single week manning one guard post!

I can almost taste the freedom and new prosperity

 

[xmobotx]

So this all strikes me as the typical Neo-Keyensian engineering outlook. Let's pull this lever on the economy and this lever and micro engineer this thing to perfection.

I'm all about a 80% reduction in work hours. Let's go all in. That would give us almost 2% unemployment right?

always hated putting so much time in; but anyway yeah; now it takes 5 workers to do the work of 4! as mentioned, smaller business would tend to be unaffected so the effect on the unemployment rate might not be so proportionate

nonetheless; more jobs right?

 

[Scrappy-doo]

In 2012 we gonna find out we got buddies up there.

 

[Dorje113]

So this all strikes me as the typical Neo-Keyensian engineering outlook. Let's pull this lever on the economy and this lever and micro engineer this thing to perfection.

I'm all about a 80% reduction in work hours. Let's go all in. That would give us almost 2% unemployment right?

Well, IMO it's best we all cooperate and change things slowly from the inside. Various "doomsday" scenarios espoused here won't be good for anyone and will create immense suffering. Through modernization and population growth, we now have billions of people involved in the modern world economy. The systems we have today are fine... they are neither good nor evil, much like the idea of currency. Like anything, they can be used selfishly or for the good of everyone. Historically speaking, we are moving in the right direction, there is less war and genocide, more freedom and less human rights abuses than there were only decades ago. Of course it's not perfect, we are all well aware of current issues with our society, so I won't list the world's current problems. I see the current worldwide protests as a "request" to level the playing field, which will have to happen. But we're not talking about the need for revolution, simply government policies that don't favor corporations and the rich so much. What the world really needs is an ETHICAL revolution, not a violent one. It's not so much the exact type of system we use, be it Keynesian or anything else, it's the intent and ethics of the people that use the system that define it.

As far as working goes, I think China's approach is interesting too. Instead of reducing working hours the government simply hires people to do things, needed or not. People sweep the streets in cities with handheld brooms. Curbs are manufactured by workers out of solid blocks of stone using hand tools... Far better solution than people simply not working and needing handouts, but the fact is, with modern manufacturing and food production, the citizens of this world simply don't need to work as much. IMO we should slow down and do things that don't involve producing or consuming so much. Like go for a hike, spend time with loved ones, play music, etc...

 

[FreedomFightr]

The real problem is money. Money is the root of all evil. Everything in this world revolves around money. We have technology for cars to run on water, we have technology to make tires last for ever. We have technology to make cars run off of fermented vegetables and fruits. Each one of these inventions would help us out tremendously. But none hace been emplemented why? becuase someone somewhere is gonna loose a lot of money. China? becareful cause China is a Comunist/solicalist experiment run by the illuminati. So is North Korea, another experiment. Just look into who put these fucks into power. The US with and the good ole Rothchilds calling shots from Isreal. Why does America care so much when people threatin Isreal? Cause they are our Masters Our Daddys. They own us. America is headed for China style Government. Anybody else see the commercials on TV for these huge future citys in china? Also how bout how china was given 50 square miles outside of Idaho I think.

 

[FreedomFightr]

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[FreedomFightr]

"Adapt or Die Says Creed of Evolution,
As We Lose Our Homes and Face Destitution,
Problem is There's a Banking Hierarchy
Which Always Wins, Their Life's a Party,
The Ordinary Joe Does All That's Right,
Then Stock Market Gamblers Create His Plight
And He's No Recourse Than to Be Evicted
While Bankers Get Bailouts, No-One's Convicted,
Yes, Psychopaths say "Adapt or Die",
The Game is Rigged and Pigs Might Fly

 

[FreedomFightr]

"Down Through Time There are Those Who Follow
Promises and Utopias, Chants Ring Hollow,
Today the Professionals are Behind Movements,
Psychologists, Sociologists, Marketing Improvements,
Whether Fascist or Communist Aim is Same,
As the Dialectic Masters Play Their Game,
For Numbers They Use Those with Good Intentions,
Lead Them and Then Pull Circumventions,
Pluck Out Manifestos Each of Which Harks
Back to the Dictates of Communist Marx,
All in Time for Agenda 21 to Roll On,
Playing UN's Millennium Goals Red Flag Song,
The Hegelian Leaders Rise to Give Thanks,
Could Never Have Done it Without Owning Banks"

 

[FreedomFightr]

"I've Mentioned Before, We're Post-Democratic,
We're Officially in the Age Called Technocratic
Which Bankers said Would Eventually Come,
When Industrial Societies were Over and Done,
Experts Would Be Appointed Instead of Elected,
In an Idiocracy It Would Go Undetected,
Even Though if You've Noticed They've Come Far,
Areas of Rulership Have an Appointed CZAR,
Familiarize the Herd, Without Ever Explaining,
Bypass Parents While the Young You're Training,
They'll Grow Up with Technocracy, Natural, Formal,
Rulership by Technocrats, All Being New Normal"

 

[Frosy]

Yeah Maybe for 4real, we are in the beginning of 'the unravelling', as far as most things go. Unacknowledged for the most part is the fact that multiple systems are failing now, not just economic and financial, health care and education, but also ecologically in a catastrophic way. Not just do the evil corporations rule the world for profit, but the number of blind consuming humans is FAR to high to sustain, even with Ron Paul or any other system in Place. Not even cannabis can save us, I'm afraid, though I still try... Get ready for a rough ride. If you are old (like me) give thanks that you got to be in on the free ride/good life for so long. my best to all of you, but yes, we are goin' down hard soon.

 

[187020]

The US with and the good ole Rothchilds calling shots from Isreal. Why does America care so much when people threatin Isreal? Cause they are our Masters Our Daddys.

Speaking of jews...I like bagels

 

[Skinny Leaf]

There is a system in place now where 25 year old men and women can get a substantial sum of money. Its called the military. Join for four years and after that reenlist and the govt. will hand you a bonus check for reenlisting. It may not be a 100k but its something. They will also cover all your bills. They don't have 8 hour weeks though. They do have lots of hiking adventures.

As far as taxes go why can't we keep all of our paycheck and pay taxes only when we purhase goods. Then everyone pays. Why should I pay more in taxes because I make more than someone else? What the hell is equal about that? Why do the folks who don't want to hike in the mountains, play xbox or watch TV all day have to be penalized because they decided to stay at work more?

Inheritance goes back to the beginning of time. What like the caveman didn't leave his cave to the wife and children? I'm dead get the fuck out and go find your own cave.

Oh you want some OG Kush. What do you have for trade? Two chickens and a goat. Sorry I need three chickens and two goats. Or some money.

Some of you might find Greece more to your liking. They have a lot of the social programs ya'll so desire. Pretty soon they will be so broke they won't have money either. Sounds like paradise to me.

 

[abellguy]

There is a system in place now where 25 year old men and women can get a substantial sum of money. Its called the military. Join for four years and after that reenlist and the govt. will hand you a bonus check for reenlisting. It may not be a 100k but its something. They will also cover all your bills. They don't have 8 hour weeks though. They do have lots of hiking adventures.

As far as taxes go why can't we keep all of our paycheck and pay taxes only when we purhase goods. Then everyone pays. Why should I pay more in taxes because I make more than someone else? What the hell is equal about that? Why do the folks who don't want to hike in the mountains, play xbox or watch TV all day have to be penalized because they decided to stay at work more?

Inheritance goes back to the beginning of time. What like the caveman didn't leave his cave to the wife and children? I'm dead get the fuck out and go find your own cave.

Oh you want some OG Kush. What do you have for trade? Two chickens and a goat. Sorry I need three chickens and two goats. Or some money.

Some of you might find Greece more to your liking. They have a lot of the social programs ya'll so desire. Pretty soon they will be so broke they won't have money either. Sounds like paradise to me.

So your answer is for people to join the military for a place to get money from? Don't you realize that the money they would be getting would be coming from your tax dollar and on top of it military spending is already way out of control and needs to be reduced not increased because of wave of people that can't find work anywhere else.

 

[Hydrosun]

So your answer is for people to join the military for a place to get money from? Don't you realize that the money they would be getting would be coming from your tax dollar and on top of it military spending is already way out of control and needs to be reduced not increased because of wave of people that can't find work anywhere else.

They can always find work as pigs, postal workers, or TSA slugs. We all know that pretending to work and cashing the government check is the highest form of enlightenment and social responsibility.

Now if we could only do away with money and make sure 100% of all jobs are state jobs.

It is so simple and would improve the lives of all. I wonder why no nation has ever tried it?

 

[SpasticGramps]

As far as working goes, I think China's approach is interesting too.

What like building huge cities that no one lives in? Flooding their economy with cheap easy money? Building stuff just to build stuff even though their is no demand.

Their approach is Neo-Keynesianism on steroids. Yeah that's going to work out well.