a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[theplaya]

Av8or again thank u for responding. And I'm doing as u said. 1 qt. Every 45 mins. Works just as good as flooding or might even be better. I don't see any roots coming down to the tub with that setup. But we will see in 2 more weeks when the girls r more established

 

[av8or]

Av8or again thank u for responding. And I'm doing as u said. 1 qt. Every 45 mins. Works just as good as flooding or might even be better. I don't see any roots coming down to the tub with that setup. But we will see in 2 more weeks when the girls r more established

The suspicion is that the faster the water evacuates the container, the less likely the roots will chase the water down the wick. The pulse feed regimen may help alleviate the root/wick dillema simply because there's much less water to purge. Less water = less time = less roots down the wick. This isn't set in stone yet...this is just the current hypothesis. All of you out there trying this system out need to present feedback for all of us to see what the trends indicate.

Playa, have you done a porosity test with your turface yet? I'd be interested to see what you come out with. 40% is the goal. Put of the bag, I believe D9 said it was 23-27%?? Since you've already washed your media and have drilled the extra holes in the top bucket, I'm not sure why you ever had an issue with evacuating the pwt, and thusly growing roots down the wick to the point of clogging. Even when I used 8822 I didn't get a complete clog. I've had two heaping handfuls of roots growing in the water in the bottom bucket...but I still didn't clog like that. I'm guessing I just got lucky, honestly. I hope the pulse feed works out better for ya. Be sure to let us all know how it shakes out as you go along. It's very helpful! Good luck, buddy.

 

[av8or]

So close....

So close....

I'm almost done with a 6 plant room. Still have some cosmetic work to do and some feed spouts for each site. Sunday, I'm hoping to have everything up and plants in. Clones currently rooting for this run: Super Sour D (x2), J1 (x2), Chem 91 and Bruce Banner #3.

The instead of running all the power cables from each electrical component in the room through the wall and having to patch up a bunch of holes, I plugged them all into receptacles in jboxes inside the room, then hard wired those jboxes to another jbox on the outer wall (pictured). I made some pigtails out of an extra light cord from a spare ballast. Looks cleaner and is super easy to use. I like it.

I haven't used cool tubes before so this is my first attempt with all this ducting. I did the best I could to eliminate as many bends as possible but sometimes you work with what you have.

There will be two more 1k ballasts and bulbs added next week. Can't wait to get these girls in! They're sitting in turface in my veg tent right now complaining about leg room.

 

[delta9nxs]

Av8or again thank u for responding. And I'm doing as u said. 1 qt. Every 45 mins. Works just as good as flooding or might even be better. I don't see any roots coming down to the tub with that setup. But we will see in 2 more weeks when the girls r more established

i'm using a full flood in my clone room but the power veg and flower room will be run with a wave pulse.

we have folks here growing record breaking plants with the wave pulse.

the tailpiece arrangement we show here with the set screws is relatively easy to switch out. we need to design something that guarantees full contact after replacing it.

 

[delta9nxs]

I'm almost done with a 6 plant room. Still have some cosmetic work to do and some feed spouts for each site. Sunday, I'm hoping to have everything up and plants in. Clones currently rooting for this run: Super Sour D (x2), J1 (x2), Chem 91 and Bruce Banner #3.

The instead of running all the power cables from each electrical component in the room through the wall and having to patch up a bunch of holes, I plugged them all into receptacles in jboxes inside the room, then hard wired those jboxes to another jbox on the outer wall (pictured). I made some pigtails out of an extra light cord from a spare ballast. Looks cleaner and is super easy to use. I like it.

I haven't used cool tubes before so this is my first attempt with all this ducting. I did the best I could to eliminate as many bends as possible but sometimes you work with what you have.

There will be two more 1k ballasts and bulbs added next week. Can't wait to get these girls in! They're sitting in turface in my veg tent right now complaining about leg room.

very neat build you guys are doing!

 

[McKush]

The suspicion is that the faster the water evacuates the container, the less likely the roots will chase the water down the wick. The pulse feed regimen may help alleviate the root/wick dillema simply because there's much less water to purge. Less water = less time = less roots down the wick. This isn't set in stone yet...this is just the current hypothesis. All of you out there trying this system out need to present feedback for all of us to see what the trends indicate.

Playa, have you done a porosity test with your turface yet? I'd be interested to see what you come out with. 40% is the goal. Put of the bag, I believe D9 said it was 23-27%?? Since you've already washed your media and have drilled the extra holes in the top bucket, I'm not sure why you ever had an issue with evacuating the pwt, and thusly growing roots down the wick to the point of clogging. Even when I used 8822 I didn't get a complete clog. I've had two heaping handfuls of roots growing in the water in the bottom bucket...but I still didn't clog like that. I'm guessing I just got lucky, honestly. I hope the pulse feed works out better for ya. Be sure to let us all know how it shakes out as you go along. It's very helpful! Good luck, buddy.

When i transplanted at day 31 i had very little roots in the tail. Just a little bit the top part. My 8822 was slow draining in that site for a while. I was full flood.

It would seem to me that a full flood would discourage roots in the tail since they dont need to search at all for moisture...

I dunno. May be a trait of certain plants or strains?

Would need a side by side experiment on the same clone to test that. Youd best start with a known cut that has grown into the tail like playa's. Requires two identical systems in the same grow chamber and repetition to prove out results.

 

[theplaya]

Yeah this is the very first time it ever clogged. Multiple sites at it too. It seemed to happened right after I pulled the roots that went down into the bucket. I have always done the flood and always with this strain. I mean it used to drain very slowly towards the end but never completely stopped clogged. Well let's see how the pulse do and if it stops the roots from growing down

 

[theplaya]

Yeah this is the very first time it ever clogged. Multiple sites at it too. It seemed to happened right after I pulled the roots that went down into the bucket. I have always done the flood and always with this strain. I mean it used to drain very slowly towards the end but never completely clogged. Well let's see how the pulse do and if it stops the roots from growing down

 

[av8or]

Finally got another 6 plant room done. Two more 1k ballasts and bulbs will be mounted next week. They're not needed for a while anyway.

Apologies for the hps glare. I need one of those filter jobbies for the camera phone.

 

[theplaya]

That's what u call attention to detail!!!! What is the spec of the room. Distance from tubs? And how many watts u got running

 

[delta9nxs]

Finally got another 6 plant room done. Two more 1k ballasts and bulbs will be mounted next week. They're not needed for a while anyway.

Apologies for the hps glare. I need one of those filter jobbies for the camera phone.

this truly is a ppk for a 6 plant limit!

one quick question, why are the tubs on a platform instead of the concrete floor?

 

[funnymath]

I bet the floor isn't level so he's shimming the tubs up to maintain the same air gap in all containers.

 

[av8or]

I bet the floor isn't level so he's shimming the tubs up to maintain the same air gap in all containers.

Nailed it. There's a 3/4" run built into the garage floor for drainage in case of flooding. I leveled the sites for a more accurate air gap control.

 

[av8or]

That's what u call attention to detail!!!! What is the spec of the room. Distance from tubs? And how many watts u got running

Thanks, Playa! The room is 10x15' with 5600 watts. Plants are on 5' centers.

 

[av8or]

this truly is a ppk for a 6 plant limit!

Other than giving them another foot or two for space, not sure how else to maximize the potential of the "6 plant limit" anymore than this. Possibly some overhead lighting but I imagine this will suffice nicely.

Something to note for this room....I finally started screening turface. Can't wait to see the difference in the root zone.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Finally got another 6 plant room done. Two more 1k ballasts and bulbs will be mounted next week. They're not needed for a while anyway.

Apologies for the hps glare. I need one of those filter jobbies for the camera phone.

dam av8, keep pushin them boundaries bro!

I might have ran the plumbing on the outside walls though. whats ur plan on working in there? I still haven't done that style yet. looks like u will have to shimmy under the plants to get to them n tie them up.

also, that's a lot of light to veg those bro. have u thought about just using a light or 2 till they get some more mass. that would require a separate veg area, or mobile ppk units to adjust from the veg spacing to flower. not the end of the world its just not the most efficient to be burnin 5k for 6- 1'ers.

either way, impressive work sir.

 

[SecondAttempt]

I don't think I'de fit through that door... seriously nice build though. I'm super jealous right now.

 

[McKush]

Nailed it. There's a 3/4" run built into the garage floor for drainage in case of flooding. I leveled the sites for a more accurate air gap control.

my floor is set with even more incline than that. That is why I have a 3 legged base for all of my buckets, it makes leveling the sites a breeze. Also theoretically I can manage different air gaps now if necessary.

For my stands I just use 1/4" bolt and a 1/4" "T" nut and 3/4 ply base (fyi i also call a "T" nut a "blind nut").

 

[av8or]

dam av8, keep pushin them boundaries bro!

I might have ran the plumbing on the outside walls though. whats ur plan on working in there? I still haven't done that style yet. looks like u will have to shimmy under the plants to get to them n tie them up.

also, that's a lot of light to veg those bro. have u thought about just using a light or 2 till they get some more mass. that would require a separate veg area, or mobile ppk units to adjust from the veg spacing to flower. not the end of the world its just not the most efficient to be burnin 5k for 6- 1'ers.

either way, impressive work sir.

Plumbing: yeah, I've thought about that but I am paranoid of any part of my system failing so I want easy access to replace components. This paranoia is completely unfounded, though, as my hose-to-pvc connections have never dripped a single drop of water on the floor. I dunno. It would be cleaner hidden, for sure. I'll work on that for the next room in a few weeks. Hahaha

As for crowding in the room, I'm not worried about crawling around. It isn't a perpetual room so it'll be a lot easier. I'm actuality, the door of the room should rarely be opened except for spraying and selective prunimg. I don't have to tie many branches up with the trellis method I use. Yes, it'll still be tight but that's ok. You have to work within the space you have available. I doubt I'll get the 1.08 grams per watt in this room, as I'm using twice the light per square foot as my first room has. Mostly, I wanted to build a really sealed incubator for weed. I think I did it. Haha!

You're right, MM, 5600 watts is too much for veg...which is why I have only six ballasts on at 300 watts per light. I haven't dropped the 1k MH's yet, either. As they grow up, I'll gradually increase the wattage. Using a light meter I'm going to gauge when and how much to turn the lights up, as the time comes. Good looking out, though.

 

[av8or]

my floor is set with even more incline than that. That is why I have a 3 legged base for all of my buckets, it makes leveling the sites a breeze. Also theoretically I can manage different air gaps now if necessary.

For my stands I just use 1/4" bolt and a 1/4" "T" nut and 3/4 ply base (fyi i also call a "T" nut a "blind nut").

My first room has a lot steeper run, too. I gave some thought to the adjustable peg leg thingies, too. Your method is definitely more accurate, Brother McKush. You see, everyone? Just when you think you did everything awesome, another ppker comes out and improves your design immediately! I love this community.