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VerticalVerde

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Been too long, again. Going to dump some pics from week 2-3, then get some more today. I've watered twice so far since flipping. Eight days apart. Can see the dates in the pic names. Also in my little seedmaking set-up can see a cleft graft of the (gg4 x chem d) onto my nl5 male, and the top of that weird giesel fallen soldier onto a Steve Murphy's Purest Indica. It only looks unhappy bc I (finally) identified its rootstock as male and stripped all of its foliage at once. Expect it to recover fine. Some of the newest shots are when I was in the middle of thinning. Will probably thin again in 2 weeks. 20240326 is a pic of the Super Skunk 1, and 20240326_2 is the diesel cross. The best yielder so far is looking like Super Skunk 2--which was the smallest plant put in. This may be bc it is the best size for the light/light position, idk. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out and whether the bigger plants more than make up for it. Will get some nice shots today. Want to water again and then only check on the thermometer for a week to simulate going on vacation with this system. No extra automation just big pots and a mulch layer.

Wanted to also recap to this point--as well as go over stuff I left out: 1) if you defoliate fan leaves the plant will turn branches into tops/sync up internodes. 2) If you're increasing the container size at the right time with even okay soil you will hardly--if ever need to feed. I fed these once before up-potting to 1 and 2 gal containers, and then once while in 6 gal with quarter strength GH veg powder. I watered the plants only 6 times after they were transplanted to 6 gal containers. 3) I put water in a concrete mixing tray to bottom water the 6 gal, then I would (often) use an electric sprayer to hand water the top. 4) you can run a straight water reservoir with flood table and potting soil, for months with no PHing or anything, just feed from the top (and I would put perlite on the bottom of the pots bc my system is messy, I'm just lazy lol). 5) whenever I am handwatering to even out various containers in the flood tables I do something similar to "3)", which I think of as simulating a PPK watering. You use a bottom container with water covering any holes on the pot, then spray the top for several seconds to flood it this allows gas exchange and for water to really penetrate the hydrophobic, dried out peat/coir, instead of finding the easiest path and running through the whole pot. Figuring out when to water and how much is so important.

Recapping, these plants were started in paper towels and put in 3.5 in square pots beginning of December, then 1-2 gal containers, 6 gal, and finally 4 of 6 made it to 27 gal totes around a 1kW hortilux. The light setup costs around $200 these days if you're thrifty (and maybe okay with mag ballasts). The flower room I built was with 10x 2"x4"s ($40ish), a 4"x4" I had laying around, and most of a 50ft roll of panda film. Two tower fans for under $50 total, and a second 6in fan (had one already) exhausting the room was the only other biggish expense at $85 (with a speed controller) and $40 for ducting. Had the carbon filter already though. Yesterday was 3 weeks of flower and they haven't needed a third watering yet. Bud pics to come. Appreciate so many people looking at this thread. Will be sure to stick with it until final weights and what not. As always, any questions feel free to ask.
 

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Here are some pics from today and yesterday. Can see the really good resin production on the diesel cross in the pics with the HPS light on. I have two thermometers in there now, one that resets right after lights on, and another at the end. Can see the temps in there yesterday for lights on. I also stopped oscillating the fans bc some leaves were getting too beat up for me, so the osc fans just run behind the plants during all of lights on now, and occasionally when they're off. Watered 2 gal into each tote today. Want to see if they'll be good for a week without a watering, getting into the middle of flower.
 

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Some pics from today. Most of the bud shots are the diesel cross. 20240404_173627 is of Super Skunk #2. 20240404_174044 is of Super Skunk #2 and #1, 20240404_173749 is of Super Skunk #2, #1, and #5, and 20240404_174009 is of Super Skunk #1 and #5. Tons of rain so humidity has been up, but everything seems fine with tons of air movement still. Have the 6in fan venting the room on 24/7 since last watering.
 

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Some pics of the Diesel cross clone I have in making seed with my NL5 male. Also a shot of my Northern Lights keeper from the seed tent, and a successful graft on my Oreoz keeper I discovered/remembered (lol) today while watering. Have about 4 guesses what it is, best one being my second fav Oreoz I gave away--just in case it ended up being better. Seed tent is about 5 days behind the flower tent. They're around a 600W HPS in a 4x4 tent, hung vertical barebulb (was at 75% until this week).
 

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Here are a bunch of pics from yesterday. The week of faux-vacation went totally fine, watered them with 2 gal of collected rainwater this time. Seeing my first orange hairs, hoping its not pollen from upstairs, tried to be careful, but don't really care even if so. Will just extract those nugs. Also a pic of the Sensi Star I'm keeping as a mom for now (about to search through some more Sensi Star though too), and the clone of the fasciated (2 split) branch of Super Skunk 3. It's in the seed tent with the NL5 male I'm using. It's fully pollinated the room so about to strip the male parts off and leave the GG4 x Chem scion to get all the energy. edit* Oh, main reason for an update--besides the watering/neglect experiment: I figured out the diesel cross I've been going is Big Bang x (Sour) Diesel. Pretty excited, if I had remembered Big Bang was a strain, and its genetics I would have figured this out months ago. Stumbled on its existence. Can't find anything on the cross though. It seems to have Diesel's structure, with Big Bang's scent.
 

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Took three days to thin these again with all the growth and the crazy trellis, but given that I still haven't even watered again I still feel like it has been barely any work. Might go to 1600W if I can get another cooltube and pin to the walls in the future, just for more access (and yield). Got a lot of nice canopy pics though. The HPS canopy shot is today, after everything was thinned, other shots were taken during/after I finished an area yesterday (or the day before). Should only have to do one more light thinning before harvest at least. Plan on watering tomorrow or the day after again. Today is day 36, so most of these are day 35 flower shots. The seeded Big Bang Diesel clone is basically just these two colas. One pic of it has resin from me thinning smeared on the lens, felt like it gave a retro look to the picture. edit* the pic "Super Skunk 1" is actually the Big Bang Diesel.
 

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Quick update, about to water today again. Been since last Monday, the number 5 might begin getting water sooner by a couple days just bc I can tell it's drinking faster. Everything has just been skating along honestly. I just let the plants do their thing at this point. Got some pretty good shots of the buds, felt like I had to play with my camera settings some to get it closer to what I'm actually seeing. Last pic is of a tiny male sac I let grow back on my GG4 x Chem D graft. The NL5 male didn't res out like that before so might be some shared info from the scion going down? Very neat. Have some other mutant plant pics I need to put up at some point. Found a GG4 that fasciated three branches, and a couple albany sour x sensi star that have crazy leaves. Harvest will probably be around May 15th - 20th? Big Bang Diesel has lighter hairs than the Super Skunk, but they're also changing over slower for sure. Will check trichs in week 8 for everyone.

edit* felt like there wasn't enough pics of the grape smelling Super Skunk 2, it's shaping up to be my favorite of the three I think, so included a bunch.
 

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Here are some pics from yesterday (day 48), watered again at the same time. Played with the use of filters to better capture the pics this time. If the HPS isn't on I'm not going for aesthetics just realism. Personally dislike when I see instagram pics where people have cranked the sharpness to 100 just to make their buds seem frostier, but cameras often dull trichs so it's a balancing act I think.

For less than 28 watts per sq ft I have to say I'm pretty happy with how things are turning out. This is the first grow I've done in nearly a decade, and only my second completed grow ever. This plant sparked my love of gardening though, so I felt well practiced when coming back to it. Don't expect to break any records but would like to hit somewhere around .5 gpw as a first(/second) goal. One random and unforeseen thing I like about this style of training btw, is that everyone watching at home can measure the bud sizes just by looking at the grid of the fencing. Find myself trying to decode the gauge of wires and ropes and stuff in other threads/pics to get a sense of size lol. I've been thinking about where this style of gardening could still play a role--besides with someone trying to get started for cheap, and I think this whole design, the room, fans, screen would be great for pheno hunting (4-8 at a time) bc every plant is under very near identical conditions. Just a thought. Hope everyone reading has been well.
 

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Day 63 have a bunch of shots from yesterday. Have watered twice since last post, each about 5 days apart. Super Skunk 2 suddenly started soaking up water and has been swelling a bit so it got an extra watering 2 days after everyone else's most recent. I had added an extra half gallon to Super Skunk 5 during the two waterings, but missed 2 drinking so much. At a certain point earlier on Super Skunk 2 got thirsty as well. Given the roots of it and 5 going from the 6 to 27 gals though this was surprising. Didn't edit these pics at all, even though I think it helps add to the realism, figured this might be the last post before chop so wanted to get a good full body shot of every plant so that anyone reading along can make their guesses about which will be the best yielder. Big Bang Diesel has the biggest buds, but they're diesel structured buds that don't get super dense except right by the light, while the Super Skunks (1 and 2 especially) are denser with smaller (but still large) colas. Was going to cut Super Skunk 2 at day 65 but after the water thing and seeing white hairs still, I'm going to go to day 70 probably. Might take these one day at a time as they're most ready, over 4-8 days. Have smoked some dried lowers off of 2 and BB Diesel, both were nice, 2 really cuts through other flower, and extract from what I've noticed. Pretty uplifting ime so far.

Was going to run all Sensi Star next round, but didn't re-up my stock of seeds soon enough, so will probably be a mix of stuff (including Albany Sour x Sensi Star though). Figure a final weight should come around the beginning of June for this run. Pulled down a few of my seed plants recently including the Giesel cross I had grafted. NL and BB Diesel coming down soon (crossed to NL#5). Have a Sensi Star keeper from my first 16 seeds in the tent I hit with the Giesel's Purest Indica rootstock's pollen--and some NL5 on the lowers. Excited to dig through Sensi Star and NL5 cross stuff; both seem well suited to vertical. Sorry there isn't much to talk about with this grow but I don't really pull leaves, or tuck branches at all, I just check in on the humidity and stuff, water and sometimes oscillate the fans (usually after watering to offset excess humidity). As always though any questions please ask. This was a Keep it Simple thread, but I don't want people to misinterpret anything I did and mess up their own grows. Anyway thanks again for sticking along, and be sure to choose your fighter for best yielder lol.

--Wanted to get a good pic of how much BB Diesel has purpled up, but it's been really tough with the garage light I've been using, might have to try something lower than 5000 K.
 

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Small update. I'm attempting some bark grafts on stumps of plants I've cut down from my seed tent. If I can "reveg" the rootstock while successfully grafting on it that seems to have incredible potential. Going to try it with the rest of the plants I pull down too--if I have room. Will update if I have any success. I didn't have an amazing success rate with grafting before, or anything (though notably some) so even total failure doesn't rule anything out lol. Next round I might run 12 small plants, instead of 4 or 8 just to go for variety instead of yield. Thinking currently is: 2 Albany Sour x Sensi Star (Blackbird Preservations), 3 G-1000 (CSI Humboldt), 2 Bubblegum (Mosca), 2 Gorilla Glue #4 (CSI Humboldt), 1 Chem D (CSI Humboldt), 1 Super Skunk (#2; white labeled), & 1 Big Bang Diesel (bagseed). I'm going to give 2 weeks in that space to see if my overgrafts succeed so I should have a good idea on yield by the time I'm ready to transplant into flower. That will effect my decision to go more towards yield or variety.
 

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So, I had known this at one point, bc it was in a book (The Cannabis Grow Bible 2nd ed.) I was rereading, but Big Bang (aka SIMM18) was actually one of two initially approved medical strains in Holland, tested, and prescribed for every condition there from 2003 until 2006. Since then it seems only one company produces their* medical strains (six total). This at least tells me there is a high medical potential for Big Bang and its crosses, so I will probably keep working with this strain as it feels sort of important to have found it randomly? Idk I know when trimming in week 5 the resin was way wetter and it smearing onto my hands helped with pain noticeably, for like 24 hours--then when it wore off I paid for the extra work I got done lol. Chopped the Big Bang Diesel in the seed tent today so will at least have these genetics wrapped up in some form. Hope everyone has been well. More pics coming soon. source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/9/1/holland-clears-way-for-prescription-cannabis
 
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Super Skunk 2 and Big Bang Diesel got chopped today (day 72). Here are some final pics of Super Skunk 2. Will put some pics of Big Bang Diesel up tomorrow. I roughly trimmed and froze 280 grams of Big Bang Diesel for extraction. So will have to try and factor that in to the final weight. The main smell from the Big Bang Diesel when I cut it was skunk pee/thiols and I know those are really hard to preserve so I'm hoping it will at least stick around in dab form. Big Bang has this neat NL#5 smelling stem rub that's stuck around since day one of veg, but the flowers (and new growth) have just gone through so many smells it's kind of nuts. The seeded clone of it retained some sweetness when I chopped it at 9 weeks, but the skunk that was there didn't seem to dry/stick around well. Taking more care drying the sinsemilla flower though. Just let the seed stuff hang in a dark corner, but am running a window a/c in the room I'm drying these to control the environment some. Super Skunk 2 has been grapey this whole time, but there was some funk coming out today too. Stem rub on it has been consistently cheesy through flower. Thanks to everyone who has checked in on this thread over the last several months. Hope this shows someone reading they don't need expensive...anything to have a pretty good grow.
 

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This video better explains what I tried to describe about defoliation/pruning in this thread. Also helps correct why I thought some heavy fasciation was a sign of polyploidy.* Basically when I pull a leave off a plant I bend it down to break it and then pull it up to snap it off completely. Sometimes this is ripping the bark layer of the plant and it prevents chemicals that inhibit bud* growth from flowing down the plant to the internodes/budsites. Stumbled on this by accident, bc I had ordered fruit trees from this guy's nursery before. Fresh frozen is in the works right now. Gave a final watering to Super Skunk 1 and 5 today. Giving them multiple more days to finish. Took one branch off of 1 (and hung it, marked) to open up light to the ones behind it today.
 

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Some final shots of the BB Diesel and the Super Skunk 1 and 5 before chop. Took them both down, and the room is already replanted. Put in 2 BB Diesel and a Super Skunk 2 in one tote, 2 Gorilla Glue #4 in another, 2 Albany Sour x Sensi Star in the third, and 2 G-1000 in the last. They're on 16/8 for now. Will trim them up and take clones once they're established/I confirm there is no shock. If everything goes according to plan should flip to flower within two weeks. Glad to have space in my veg area for regular garden stuff again. Will get a weight on everything asap.
 

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Super Skunk 2 was the first to dry. Got it trimmed, jarred, and weighed: 231.6 g. Very happy with that. I probably put half of the Big Bang Diesel into fresh frozen? No clue. Getting it trimmed and weighed next. Far less to do than the Super Skunk though.
 

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Super Skunk 1: 219 grams
Super Skunk 2: 231.6 grams
Big Bang Diesel: 154 grams + 280 g fresh frozen (guesstimating 55 grams dried? ~209 grams?)
Super Skunk 5: 256 grams

915.6 grams or 2.02 lbs.

Not quite able to hit the gram per watt mark, but well above the .5 gpw I wanted, so I'm very happy. After trimming Super Skunk 2, Big Bang Diesel and part of Super Skunk 1 I went and bought a 16" bowl trimmer so this definitely changed how the buds were trimmed midway, but I assume the final weights average out pretty much the same. Thank so much anyone who read through this, hope you got something out of it. Will continue to update periodically. Second run is going well.

Will get some shots of the jars soon.
 

soopy

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Love it man!!!!

Beautiful selections, and flowers…. I haven’t seen a super skunk grow in years, they look awesome!

What year did you pickup the White Label SS? Is your ChemD an S1 selection?

Excellent grow my good man….i hope you’re enjoying the fruits of your labor…my hat is off to you for your dedication and skills….best vibes and wishes to you on the next run…. I’m looking forward to seeing it!
 

VerticalVerde

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Love it man!!!!

Beautiful selections, and flowers…. I haven’t seen a super skunk grow in years, they look awesome!

What year did you pickup the White Label SS? Is your ChemD an S1 selection?

Excellent grow my good man….i hope you’re enjoying the fruits of your labor…my hat is off to you for your dedication and skills….best vibes and wishes to you on the next run…. I’m looking forward to seeing it!
Hi! I was gifted the white labels in...I want to say 2018? They literally were a baggie with a white label. I asked my friend where her and her bf ordered them from and she didn't remember, but she thinks they used a credit gift card thing with a PO box, and said "maybe" when I threw out ILGM, but nothing to "Attitude" lol. I tried to look up ILGM packaging and its different (now at least), so the most confident statement I can make is: "they probably come from Spain" lol. The Chem D is an s1 from CSI Humboldt. I don't have any select clones, will try to be clear whenever I mention a strain of where it comes from going forward. I also have a different s1 from Chem D that is very narrow-leafed and incredibly squat as well, total weirdo lol; gifting it to a friend, but want to see how it finishes and pollinate a lower. Thanks for checking out the grow! Will update again soon.
 

VerticalVerde

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Jar shots, about half of the fresh frozen BB Diesel is freezer curing.
 

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