911 Cell phone call ??? wrong house ??

[stasis]

Women, although some are tasty, can get one in a whole lot of trouble... This culture we have of abductions, and assaults in the news, sensationalized ad nauseum, can cause problems. Even if nothing really occurs... People pick up the phone at the drop of a hat...

Some Growers say that the biggest threat are their lovers. Gotta be careful who ya let in to yr; house...

I lived in a place where the 911 call-checkup was STANDARD practice, obviously. Because it happened atleast 4 times in 3 years. No one had called 911...

Occurred upon moving in to a new house, twice, both times at 7-8am. Also, the morning after a wild party... No growing going on then, no issue there...

Nasty underhanded Piggies...

As in the case of Politicians, as well, Anyone who REALLY wants the job should not be allowed to perform it.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Dude, you need to get that chick in check or drop her. That or quit growing.
You've lucked out twice. 3rd time could be the charm. Or maybe you already did, hence never do that shit again?

Yah well, we can't control the actions of others you know? Only our own . . .

I'm well versed in what my rights are as a US citizen, police do not have the right to enter my residence without just cause, NO MATTER WHAT!

I would venture a guess and say 75% of growers get caught thru some fault of their own. Know your rights, and you won't have to fear.

 

[dude06version]

lol sam black people cant wear all black.i like wearing all black i must be a thief. he probably wasnt smiling cause you almost murdered him as he was crossing the street. its funny how some peoples minds work.

anyway dude i think you should be fine next time don't answer the door. i know your heart was trying to jump out of your throat. i think i was knock and talked once. cop came to the door trying to get me to donate to some fund. just seemed shady. knowing what i know now i would have never open the door.

 

[Ipsissimus]

I don't know what state you are living in but in mine not only can they pinpoint the cell phone but we the consumers have to PAY a little more each month so the piggies can do this for 911 calls. This started 3 or 4 years ago, they would not sell new phones that were not 911 capable or renew contracts until your phone was 911 ready. If it ain't in your state already then it's on the way.

cellphones are required to be able to dial 911, not to be traceable to your exact location. they can only triangulate your position if you're phone is in reach of THREE towers, to an accuracy of something like 50 ft. I know I have a hard enough time finding ONE tower sometimes. This info is available to your cell phone provider, not the police. Then again, some would argue all phone calls are monitored by big brother computers for national security.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

wrong. cellphones are required to be able to dial 911, not to be traceable to your exact location. they can only triangulate your position if you're phone is in reach of THREE towers, to an accuracy of something like 50 ft. I know I have a hard enough time finding ONE tower sometimes.

This isn't really accurate either. Police use mapping software that employs satellites to trace cell phones equipped with GPS chips and also computers to triangulate the caller's location by measuring the proximity of the closest cell phone towers.

Many new GSM phones have these GPS chips already inside. CDMA is getting that way also, but it seems to be a little behind.

It really depends on where you live, the more rural the less likely your call center will be able to trace, and it's largely dependant on the budget of the 9-1-1 call center. That said, call centers in urban areas, like LA, Chicago, New York . . . . are VERY high tech, and can get a pretty get pin on you pretty quick regardless of signal strength.

 

[grobart]

WARRANT

WARRANT

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO BE TOLD BEFORE IT SINKS IN?!?!

The government cannot enter your residence without a warrant, barring certain exigent circumstances.

You don't even have to open the bloody door, EVER. In college, I would black out the windows to my townehouse, post the text of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments on the front door, and ONLY answer any door knocks from my second story window. Drives the cops crazy - especially when some punk college kid is pointing and laughing at them. Alas, they were SOL.

If the government wants to get into your house, IT WILL. Period. If they are not already inside your residence, or in the process of forcibly gaining entry to the residence, they don't have a warrant and can fuck right the fuck off. Tell them exactly so.

If they get in without breaking down the door - i.e. you gave the government consent - then you deserve whatever you get.

Ignorantia Juris Neminem Excusat.

Ignorance of the law is never excused.

 

[Ipsissimus]

Yeah, newer phones have GPS. I was wrong about the federal law mandating localization too.

Federal rules require a level of accuracy for finding 911 callers.

Companies that use triangulation must fix callers within 100 meters for 67 percent of calls (about the area of a football field); 300 meters for 95 percent of calls. Companies using GPS must locate them within 50 meters for 67 percent of calls; 150 meters for 95 percent of calls.

In a best-case scenario, police can pinpoint a cell phone caller within a few dozen yards in a matter of seconds. The caller's latitude and longitude coordinates pop up on an operator's computer screen. This happens primarily with newer phones equipped with GPS chips. Generally, Verizon Wireless, Sprint and Alltel use this method with their newest phones.

"There are times I can fix callers down to the doorway where they stand," said Brad Herron, director of operations for the communications bureau at the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

Other service providers, such as AT&T and T-Mobile, use a triangulation method among several cell phone towers to locate callers. Each method has drawbacks: GPS doesn't work well inside buildings; triangulation does better inside, but tends to be less accurate.

 

[MobbDeep]

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO BE TOLD BEFORE IT SINKS IN?!?!

The government cannot enter your residence without a warrant, barring certain exigent circumstances.

You don't even have to open the bloody door, EVER. In college, I would black out the windows to my townehouse, post the text of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments on the front door, and ONLY answer any door knocks from my second story window. Drives the cops crazy - especially when some punk college kid is pointing and laughing at them. Alas, they were SOL.

If the government wants to get into your house, IT WILL. Period. If they are not already inside your residence, or in the process of forcibly gaining entry to the residence, they don't have a warrant and can fuck right the fuck off. Tell them exactly so.

If they get in without breaking down the door - i.e. you gave the government consent - then you deserve whatever you get.

Ignorantia Juris Neminem Excusat.

Ignorance of the law is never excused.

LOL..dam you were hiding out in the fortress huh??you shoulda pured some boiling oil on them like they did in the middle ages!

 

[Pythagllio]

I wonder if that was hemp oil that they boiled and poured on people.

Nah, why waste the quality oil when you can use some nasty grease...

 

[MobbDeep]

I wonder if that was hemp oil that they boiled and poured on people.

Nah, why waste the quality oil when you can use some nasty grease...

Interesting idea..how would they have gotten ol back in those days..obviosly a plant based oil derivativeness..so hemp oil might have been used huh..or corn..if they knew how to process it..which I doubt..

 

[hophead]

You've lucked out twice. 3rd time could be the charm.

Sorry to say, but the g/f sounds like your undoing waiting to happen .... hope you've worked things out with her or said adios!

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

IMO the very best response to the question, 'why won't you let me look if you have nothing to blah blah blah is:

"Because I have an expectation of privacy in my home". It's what the appeals courts love to argue, 'did he have an expectation of privacy'. So the answer is non-committal and uses magic words to an appeals court which just may tilt the debate in your favor, and can easily be said in a polite, non-confrontational manner. I would use the same magic words in my car, but with a much lowered expectation that it could help. But state of mind is important, and stating that you have an expectation of privacy establishes that you have that mindset, and changes things so that the burden is now on the prosecution to prove that you didn't.

If you think that saying no is only for people who are guilty of a crime, think of the closet pervert with an extensive, but secret, collection of dildos and various fucking machines with which to have them inserted at various speeds and angles. None of which is illegal however there are many out there who would rather keep such a thing private.

Excellent post; Right on the money. Cops rely on people giving in and being intimidated. Intimidation is a major part of a cops standard line...they do it all the time. It is sickening because NO other servants of any type...people WE pay..assume that they can use intimidation, coercion, lies and bluffing as a legitimate part of their jobs. It is taught in the pig acadamies: Cops are taught to lie...get around legal requirements, and generally screw the citizen while remaining on the edge of legality.

Now, many people are not bold naturally...many shy people, or those who rarely get into any kind of confrontation, are predisposed to being victimized by cops. I have long urged people to play act with friends...I know it sounds lame to many...but those who think it is lame to practice facing cops will likley ponder their inaction once sitting behind bars.

If people who carry weed and smoke weed routinely would spend a few minutes practicing, it could mean the difference between getting away or getting busted, and that makes me think it is worthwhile.

One person play the cop, and the other the driver, etc. Practice saying as little as possible while telling the cops that you mean business and cannot be swayed. Telling a cop that you have ' an expectation of privacy' is genius. It makes the cop immediately take notice that you are not to be trifled with, as you sound like trouble to a cop. they want their victims ignorant and scared. if you show NO fear, but also no anger, that impresses them...they can see a lawyer in the wings and back off.

Another possible retort to the question of why not allow a search if you have nothing to hide, is this:" Officer, I do not have anything to hide, but i DO have something to protect". When the cop says: " What is that?", you say: " The Constitution of the United States, and the 4th Amendment". I told a cop once that I considered it very offensive that qa cop would ask a citizen to throw away what our brave troops are dying overseas to protect...I turned it into a patriotic argument and he was flustered!! He had to defend himself , and at that point YOU are in control of the issue!!

But the less said, the better, in all cases. Stepping outside and closing the door...refusing to allow any search without a warrant...these are absolute necessary minimums. Cops without real probable cause of an actual emergency will not likley break down the door..they have to justify all they do later, and they cannot say that they had reason to believe an emergency was taking place when there is no real 911 cqall...or even if there is a call, if no one is screaming and there is no sign of any actual crime, cops still must get a warrant before entering.

Their lies and bluffs only work on the street...in court the attorneys can get to the issues and show what the truth is, and cops HATE to be cornered by a lawyer that can expose the lies and embarrass them in court. They would rather let you walk away than face a judge and jury with only lies and nonsense to try and justify his actions.

But you MUST remain strong, and that is hard when the blue lights are on and you are dirty...practice in advance so when it happens you do what you practiced and find out that it actually works!! That alone will give you confidence to stand firm against cops; one small victory means a lot. Good advice in this post above and follow it!!

 

[Pythagllio]

Interesting idea..how would they have gotten ol back in those days..obviosly a plant based oil derivativeness..so hemp oil might have been used huh..or corn..if they knew how to process it..which I doubt..

All you need is a press to make seed oil. I didn't mean hash oil. Olive oil has been around for thousands of years too.

 

[Pythagllio]

Excellent post; Right on the money. Cops rely on people giving in and being intimidated. Intimidation is a major part of a cops standard line...they do it all the time. It is sickening because NO other servants of any type...people WE pay..assume that they can use intimidation, coercion, lies and bluffing as a legitimate part of their jobs. It is taught in the pig acadamies: Cops are taught to lie...get around legal requirements, and generally screw the citizen while remaining on the edge of legality.

Being intimidated comes from within, not from without. Internal fear coupled with learned behavior dating way back to when you were about 2 years old and your mom & dad taught you that authority figures were in charge, and instilled that sense of guilt in you for breaking the rules. It is a major reason why avoiding as much of the confrontation as possible is important.

Now, many people are not bold naturally...many shy people, or those who rarely get into any kind of confrontation, are predisposed to being victimized by cops. I have long urged people to play act with friends...I know it sounds lame to many...but those who think it is lame to practice facing cops will likley ponder their inaction once sitting behind bars.[

If people who carry weed and smoke weed routinely would spend a few minutes practicing, it could mean the difference between getting away or getting busted, and that makes me think it is worthwhile.

Play acting is good, just practicing the line helps it come out easier. Though I think it also important to reflect on and be in touch with the truth. The truth being that you're not doing anything wrong regardless of whether it's illegal.

One person play the cop, and the other the driver, etc. Practice saying as little as possible while telling the cops that you mean business and cannot be swayed. Telling a cop that you have ' an expectation of privacy' is genius. It makes the cop immediately take notice that you are not to be trifled with, as you sound like trouble to a cop. they want their victims ignorant and scared. if you show NO fear, but also no anger, that impresses them...they can see a lawyer in the wings and back off.

It's bonus if that happens, but my main objective is to cut them off at the pass, and to help any appelate case if possible. The phrase 'expectation of privacy' is magic words there, not so sure about with a cop. The more you interact with the cop the more likely that baseline emotion that's been part of your being for decades will bubble up and screw you. It really is almost next to useless to mention your rights, the Constitution, how your attorney is going to blah, blah, blah in court because they hear that shit day in and day out from the clueless, the psychotic, and generally the people quoting are wrong about the law e.g. people think if I ask an undercover cop if he's a cop he has to tell me...it's the law! It's really unlikely that you're going to settle a Constitutional argument with a cop on the street. Even if they take you seriously and you are correct in your perception of the law's reality the most likely thing the cop will do is to say 'that's a matter for the courts, tell it to the judge'.

Another possible retort to the question of why not allow a search if you have nothing to hide, is this:" Officer, I do not have anything to hide, but i DO have something to protect". When the cop says: " What is that?", you say: " The Constitution of the United States, and the 4th Amendment". I told a cop once that I considered it very offensive that qa cop would ask a citizen to throw away what our brave troops are dying overseas to protect...I turned it into a patriotic argument and he was flustered!! He had to defend himself , and at that point YOU are in control of the issue!!

I'm glad it worked out for you but in reality it was a long shot bet. Oh, did I mention how many suspects have queer ideas about the law and the Constitution? Let me now mention that alson applies to the cops doing the interview though they do get quite as extremely silly ideas in their heads as suspects.. You're not dealing with a Constitutional scholar in this interaction.

But the less said, the better, in all cases. Stepping outside and closing the door...refusing to allow any search without a warrant...these are absolute necessary minimums. Cops without real probable cause of an actual emergency will not likley break down the door..they have to justify all they do later, and they cannot say that they had reason to believe an emergency was taking place when there is no real 911 cqall...or even if there is a call, if no one is screaming and there is no sign of any actual crime, cops still must get a warrant before entering.

Firemen need no probable cause. My next door neighbor's house caught fire the other week, somebody called the brigade, they came over and went right in without delay, using an ax and a chainsaw to gain entry. I gotta say I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about needing a warrant if the 911 call was made. It's too easy to subdue and gag a victim to say that the absence of screaming means there's not likely a victim. Even if you are technically correct the cop can 'observe nervousness' on the part of the person answering the door and that combined with the 911 call would likely make any search legal due to exigent circumstances.

Their lies and bluffs only work on the street...in court the attorneys can get to the issues and show what the truth is, and cops HATE to be cornered by a lawyer that can expose the lies and embarrass them in court. They would rather let you walk away than face a judge and jury with only lies and nonsense to try and justify his actions.

But you MUST remain strong, and that is hard when the blue lights are on and you are dirty...practice in advance so when it happens you do what you practiced and find out that it actually works!! That alone will give you confidence to stand firm against cops; one small victory means a lot. Good advice in this post above and follow it!!

Best of all it's totally honest. I do have an expectation of privacy in my home.

 

[fyahfohigha]

Don't get an security alarm in your house unless you are really good with it. I lived in a state for a little while where my medical needs didn't mean a shit, and I was really paranoid. I was living in a house with close family friends at the time, and the dad screwed the alarm up, and it woudln't stop going off. He was trying to get a hold of someone to fix it, but nadda. About an hour later and we where kickn' it poolside to keep the noise out of our heads, a cop poked just his head over the fence acting like a neighbor. He asked if everything was cool and someone could come out (we couldn't here his ass, and couldn't tell he was a cop). My buddy left and never came back, I walked outside and was told to quickly show my hands, and walk to the side and sit down. He and his partner asked questions about who was inside, said they had reason to believe there where intruders who could be holding hostage, and that they had to search the house to get everyone out no matter what. We tried to keep them out nicely, and assure them the alarm was just broke, but that wasn't going down. Without seeming scetchy we told them what they needed to know, and hoped for the best (swallowing fucking knots the whole time). We thought it was a trick, and that they set off the alarm as an excuse. They got the whole family out of the house, didn't do a good search at all, and never saw/smelt a thing (which honestly was a HUGE luck out!!!! I was in the middle of trimming down stairs hahaha! PIGS!
Good thing I don't have to deal with that shit anymore. Too much stress.

NO ALARMS/NO HOUSE PHONES!

 

[opt1c]

never open the door; security screen doors are the bomb if you can put one in

talk through the door or windows

if they want to come in place your palms on the window and tell them to kick down the door if they have a warrant

 

[j6p]

Bogus 911 calls from sickos who send out SWAT to screw people over. Geez ...

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398292_bogus91102.html

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

The sick scumbag freaks that do this shit...calling 911 on people, should be horsewhipped and beaten to within an inch of their worthless lives and then thrown in a prison full of 6'8" 400 lb. rapists that have access to viagra.

Setting cops on anyone for non-real emergencies is so low that it deserves a special place in hell for the perpetrators of such infamous crap. We have to deal with snitches, both paid and free lance, as well as ' girlfriends' , ' best friends' and all the rest....all we need in life is some lame ass fool in another town making your life hell for NO good reason...anonymous life ruining...God, if only all these idiots had but one neck I could snap!!