60,000 sq. ft. Marijuana Cultivation Facility to be Unveiled near Oakland Airport

[LIFEISGOOD]

MS-

Just wait till the mega farmers and ranchers get a hold of this! 60ksqft ain't shit, try sections, that's 640ac at a pop. You are trying to hold back a tsunami. If you want to float get on board, and make it work for you.

You talk about supply and demand, but what your not taking into account is that demand will also go up 500%+ with prop 19. This is a product. Produce it well and you will always have a market. But what we are talking about is an agricultural crop. The price will eventually drop, but the wave hasn't even begun to crash. Find your niche and milk it.

If you don't want medicine from a Walmart don't buy it there. But most will. And they will buy crap. I still pay $8-9 bucks for a good six pack, and I have to walk past alot of adequate beer to get it.

If you can't make a living with the big boys coming into your back yard, then you need to find another back yard. Most any other state will work.

The cost of indoor is always going to be higher than outdoor. The cost of elite bud will always be higher, and so will the price tag. Legalization is better on all counts, except for the small to medium time grower. Throw in one bust and it is better for them too.

 

[LIFEISGOOD]

Welcome to the real world of business. I hope you want to pay taxes. Move to South Dakota where they voted down MMJ.

 

[Guest 88950]

You know why I got into this industry? So I could (sorta) play by my own rules, not have a boss, work my own schedule, not have to deal with anyone's bullshit, and be extremely well compensated if I play my cards right. At the flick of my finger, at my wish, totally up to me.

You know why I'm against this movement?

Yeah, I'm a scumbag. And I wanna remain a scumbag.

i give you props for being honest but hiding behind a new ICMAG identity just to keep your rep so you can transition after prop19 passes is low.

yes, a mega grow whether its indoors or out will increase supply but the speculation is the amount of demand and the effect on prices.

i want prices to fall but regardless of what the end price will be at least it will be legal.

instead of trying to bet 55k you might be better off investing in a business that has a chance of succeeding in a post prop19 environment.

oh well if your herb will be valued less if prop19 passes. no more easy lucrative ride, youll be working and paying taxes just like the rest of us.

 

[SCF]

Everything you asked me to do goes against my principles of why I'm in this industry. If I wanted to do all what you're asking me to do, I'd have gotten into regular business long back. That's all it is gonna be, once the floodgates open, a "regular job".

I got into this biz to not deal with all the bullshit, and have been real happy with my decision & results so far.

I'm sticking to my guns.

everyone pays taxs, and its my right to not have my medication taxed, to have that cost passed on to me as a sick patient. mine should be tax free, as most are disabled and cant work or don't want to risk there ass going to federal prison.


you can still be illegal after 19 passes. nothing changes, you are still piggy banking off the sick, and afraid to be a real man and step up to the plate...

215 was ment for people like wo/man alliance who create free to low price quality grade a+++ marijuana. Valerie, the reason why wo/man was set up as a hospace for dying patients, not only helped get prop 215 passed. But she won the supreme court of united states. making that compassionate caregiver exempt from further prosction. and she got raided several times... still fought, even though this stress could KILL her. she still fought for YOUR right to cultivate under prop 215, so i hope u remember what the roots of the compassionate act prop 215 is all about.

 

[mothersucker]

Look, I'm not a saint, OK? I'm not here to save the world, that's someone else's job. I'm here to look after my own interests first, and see what else I might have free time & resources for.

It's a bit greedy as well for you to be constantly demanding that I do something different and take a different direction with my life to convenience you.

don't want to risk ... ass going to federal prison.

Yeah, I want to risk my ass going to federal prison.

 

[rushman]

so what the law is not perfect at least it is a steap in the right direction. i just see a bunck of whiney greedy fucks that don care about the plant or the ppl just the cash. we have to stop this madness. find another way to make money at least you will legally be able to do so.

 

[DimeBag65]

if all you want to do is be in the place where you will make the most money for every elbow you throw... than get the fuck out of california, and quit whining on forums about shit that you , as your lazy slack ass arent going to change.... simple as that, you dont like how things are going here, go to somewhere that you will be facing 5 years min for growing, and that elbows still go for 5 to 6 k a piece.... no skin off my back...


I have no real interesting in argueing any of the points, at least you have been honest enough to state where and why you are standing in the position you are, im pretty sure everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point.

 

[bigbrokush]

Well let me break it down just a little bit better so you can really understand it. I'm in So. Cal. and we once had just about 800 D's in just LA, now you have about 80 that are legal 200 that are still open and doing business. Now lets say like in Long Beach you as a owner of a D can grown what your business needs for it's members, and those members can only go to one club. Well now that club has to pay $11k per plus lease the other space to grow, Elct. and new emplyees, ins on building and emplyees. Now in LA, with there being so few clubs now mean that less clubs are buying the supplies (and yes they to grow a few of their own strains). Now comes the Mega 66k sq ft. grow spot that is able to just pump out a ton of meds. More that what the market can really take. And why do I say this BECAUSE the CLUBS are the only places that you can buy the prouduct. They laws for the clubs are not going to change. All it means it that if you want to be able to grow you own now you can. Supply will crush demand in Cali, because med patients will not change buying habbits those that still have to buy. Others will grow their own.
Now here is your over supply, it's not going to just sit around and go bad or take up space. There are 30 other states that is not MMJ friendly. That supply will start to make it's way into the other states just like Mexican bricks do. The price to other states will not be as high to the middle man but by the time it gets to where it is going it will be close to the same.

 

[christen23]

I'll bet $50k you can't, even if your life depended on it. In fact, this is a REAL challenge should you choose to accept. I *will not* back down if you do accept, and our identities can be revealed if you want.

Blind judges/testers. Loser forks over $50k. We deposit in escrow first. You game?

Unlike you, I'm not going to post some "theoretical challenges" that I have no intention of ever participating in.

I'm gonna bet an additional $5k that you puss out. That means if you accept, I'm laying $55k to your $50k. I have cash ready to deposit into an escrow we can mutually agree on.

And yes, we're local.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

ILL BE A JUDGE FO SHO!!! I GOTTA SEE THIS ONE!! HA HA PEACE
~POE~

 

[SCF]

Look, I'm not a saint, OK? I'm not here to save the world, that's someone else's job. I'm here to look after my own interests first, and see what else I might have free time & resources for.

It's a bit greedy as well for you to be constantly demanding that I do something different and take a different direction with my life to convenience you.


Yeah, I want to risk my ass going to federal prison.

so its my job, who speak to public officials, and people who are sick and dying, and already dead, so you can make a profit?

while people like valerie, myself, and everyother person who fights for our rights in COURT facing felonies to fight for YOU. i dont think so.

i didnt demand anything. but you sir are breaking the law. You are not to make a profit under prop 215. sure make a living enough to survive for ur time, and overhead cost. but to make a huge, hand over fist profit under 215, you are a disrespect to people who are dead, who have fought for this cause.

So i dont feel sorry for people like you when u end up in prison. because your morals are beyond horrible Karma.

SCF

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

if all you want to do is be in the place where you will make the most money for every elbow you throw... than get the fuck out of california, and quit whining on forums about shit that you , as your lazy slack ass arent going to change.... simple as that, you dont like how things are going here, go to somewhere that you will be facing 5 years min for growing, and that elbows still go for 5 to 6 k a piece.... no skin off my back...


I have no real interesting in argueing any of the points, at least you have been honest enough to state where and why you are standing in the position you are, im pretty sure everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point.

That's what I told them. Move out of CA or start slanging yayo but they is all straight cowards.

 

[mothersucker]

It's called risk-to-reward ratio and knowing what's most profitable. Downtime = $$ lost.

 

[zenoonez]

so its my job, who speak to public officials, and people who are sick and dying, and already dead, so you can make a profit?

while people like valerie, myself, and everyother person who fights for our rights in COURT facing felonies to fight for YOU. i dont think so.

i didnt demand anything. but you sir are breaking the law. You are not to make a profit under prop 215. sure make a living enough to survive for ur time, and overhead cost. but to make a huge, hand over fist profit under 215, you are a disrespect to people who are dead, who have fought for this cause.

So i dont feel sorry for people like you when u end up in prison. because your morals are beyond horrible Karma.

SCF

Hate to tell you but you are effing nuts. No one should go to jail for growing pot. You forget that while you have mmj most of the rest of the country doesn't have anything but the black market. And those profiteers, the black market growers are what has supplied the rest of us. You are like the ivory tower of weed culture my friend. You want weed legalized but yet you want someone to go to jail because they are making a living off of providing for sick and dying Californians? So what about all the research scientists, ceos, and other officials that work for pharmaceutical companies? Should they go to prison too just because they make money? No. You are so far shoved up MMJs ass you are forgetting that MJ shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Furthermore, you and other mmj pioneers aren't the only ones who have fought in the courts on behalf of our rights. For someone who talks about karma you don't reflect much on the words you use.

 

[DimeBag65]

Zenoonez, maybe you should try reading the rest of what has been posted before stepping up with your opinions... for one, your saying that mothersucker is just providing for sick and dieing patients? bullshit, most sick and dieing patients cant afford 60dollar eighths, and the actual sick and dieing patients usually have to be given some form of charity, aka a grower giving them smoke, or at a very reduced price...


Mothersucker, doesnt want it legalized, you yourself just stated that it should be legal, and no one should go to jail over it, that is the point we have been making... while mothersucker wants it to remain illlegal so he can maintain his personal profit margins where they are now.... he is no pioneer, he isent in it to help sick patients, he just wants his money, and for no one else to jeopardize his small little piece of the pie...

READ before you TYPE... SCF is in this for the right right reasons, there are just members on these forums that cant handle reality and want to cling onto what little they have going for themselves right now...

there were still people growing HUGE , long before any talk of legalization, they still have over head costs and want to pull as much money out as possible...

only thing pushing prices down is that Mothersucker isent the only one with the idea of making their living off of growing, except they dont want everyone else to be growing so they have to buy from them , lol....

Keep the wheels of denial spinning...

 

[DHF]

BigHerbTree.........You might be mistaking me for some backwards Hillbilly Stoner , but I assure you I`ve been an upstanding tax-payin citizen for 35 yrs in the real world.....

What I`ve done to break the law in my lil corner of the world was mandatory for my survival , or life without parole for cultivation would`ve made me a ward of the state 26 yrs ago.........

I live in Hell..........What ya`ll sign off on come Nov 2 will help the big boys and allow your diversification into other businesses to take care of your bottom line , but what`s it gonna do for legalization/de-criminalization across the board for all 50 states once ya`ll give up all your rights.........

Not to mention the absolute right for LEO to come get yer ass if they think you`re fukin up...........Ever had an ex-ol lady call popo on yas cuz she knows bout couple plants in the back yard?..........

I never allowed anyone to know about my shit , or where it was , but I`ve seen good folks go to prison for yrs and yrs over a few plants.........

Obviously........You give 2 shits what happens outside your lil world of diversifying and hey........I`m all bout the funtickets but...........

Remember what ya`ll vote for when it comes back and bites yas in the ass with both feet shot out from underneath yas and Dick Lee and his co-horts sell their shit to Big Pharma.......Sweet Tooth 2nd`s and better comes ta mind at yer local 7-11 ...........

Then you`ll be havin ta sell your extracts and such on the black market along with the buds , cuz Monsanto`s got a sale goin this week for 50 bucks an oz on the same shit you got for 2K per lb......SAME SHIT FOR 75 bucks less per oz than Homie`s best he can do ...........Who`s gonna pay more.............

Don`t give up without a fight for decent legislation instead of just acceptin what they sling atchas cuz you think it`s the only/best option you`ll ever get to smoke pot legally or profit as such that has happened till now.........

Politicians and Big Pharma`s laughin their ass off at how easy ya`ll gonna roll over for a lil piece of pitifulness........

If this is all about "Medical Marijuana" and healin folks , then why ya`ll rollin over like a buncha stoners come 4:20........

My 2 cents.........And before somebody comes back about me not bein from Cali...........I`ve done my research and spoken with many close old friends/growers on the left coast not happy bout this power grab , while trying to be optomistically skeptical about if it`ll ever reach my lil corner of Hell before I croak........

Peace......DHF...............

 

[SCF]

Hate to tell you but you are effing nuts. No one should go to jail for growing pot. You forget that while you have mmj most of the rest of the country doesn't have anything but the black market. And those profiteers, the black market growers are what has supplied the rest of us. You are like the ivory tower of weed culture my friend. You want weed legalized but yet you want someone to go to jail because they are making a living off of providing for sick and dying Californians? So what about all the research scientists, ceos, and other officials that work for pharmaceutical companies? Should they go to prison too just because they make money? No. You are so far shoved up MMJs ass you are forgetting that MJ shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Furthermore, you and other mmj pioneers aren't the only ones who have fought in the courts on behalf of our rights. For someone who talks about karma you don't reflect much on the words you use.

i was coming back to take back my statement about prison. as no one should go to prison. but i sure wont feel bad for someone who wants to keep it illegal just for profit.

And thanks for those kind words. i got to take a step back from this thread, as people like to attack me with anger just because i voice how i feel.

you dont know what i do for a living or how much i make mothersucker (nice name btw). i pay my taxes thanks and have a caregiver take care of me, basicly free of cost.

thanks.

 

[stony2]

10:30AM - Luncheon

love it

 

[SCF]

I just want to add. I just sent a very good friends ashes down the river who died. Because of there condition. when you watch a young 30 year old die from seizures disorder, whos one of ur childhood friends, watch their family fall apart... u would be fighting for a cause too.

Like Dr. Jay who died from liver issues, because of pain meds. since my friends death was recent, this issue is to personal for me to further comment on.

 

[zenoonez]

Zenoonez, maybe you should try reading the rest of what has been posted before stepping up with your opinions... for one, your saying that mothersucker is just providing for sick and dieing patients? bullshit, most sick and dieing patients cant afford 60dollar eighths, and the actual sick and dieing patients usually have to be given some form of charity, aka a grower giving them smoke, or at a very reduced price...


Mothersucker, doesnt want it legalized, you yourself just stated that it should be legal, and no one should go to jail over it, that is the point we have been making... while mothersucker wants it to remain illlegal so he can maintain his personal profit margins where they are now.... he is no pioneer, he isent in it to help sick patients, he just wants his money, and for no one else to jeopardize his small little piece of the pie...

READ before you TYPE... SCF is in this for the right right reasons, there are just members on these forums that cant handle reality and want to cling onto what little they have going for themselves right now...


there were still people growing HUGE , long before any talk of legalization, they still have over head costs and want to pull as much money out as possible...

only thing pushing prices down is that Mothersucker isent the only one with the idea of making their living off of growing, except they dont want everyone else to be growing so they have to buy from them , lol....

Keep the wheels of denial spinning...

I have read what was written. I have been following this thread if only for the sole purpose of reading mothersuckers posts to assure myself that at least I am a better person than him. However, I can't say that put in the same position I wouldn't be rooting for my self interests and I understand where he is coming from. Not everyone likes the winds of change especially when they make your job and life harder.

Regardless of whether he espouses the ideals that you have at least he is being honest. He is saying that he likes the system as it exists today and that he doesn't want prop 19 because it will hurt his bottom line. SCF is saying that because he is making money growing green he deserves to go to jail.

So SCF thinks it should be legal but only if people can't make money off of it? The whole medical system is predicated on growers growing more than they need and them getting reimbursed for their effort. The market ie supply and demand negotiate how much that time and effort are worth. So screw it if he is breaking the law, his breaking the law is what is supplying your medical market and every other market.

I agree with you about your gut feeling on mothersucker and SCF mothersucker's position is probably not the right one in regards to being virtuous, but not all people are good people, many are just interested in making sure they have a good life. However, SCF is saying simultaneously that it should be legal but that because mothersucker is a bad person in his view and that he doesn't give his meds away that he deserves to be in jail.

Neither parties are saints is what I am saying and furthermore I am saying that I expected more out of SCF especially in the same sentence where he mentions karma.

Edit: I am glad you understood what I was trying to point out SCF.

 

[DimeBag65]

Zenoonez, i cant speak for him but i am assuming SCF said that out of frustration... when someone like mothersucker says they WANT to put their ass on the line for going to prison, so they can continue to make more money on pounds.. well if your in prison doin 2-5 you sure as hell arent making any money, and when your on parole, you sure as hell arent stacking cash when they are checking up on you for another 2-3....

so when someone is that bullheaded on the subject than why stick around california , there are plenty of other states that have medical mmj, and the prices are still quite high, there just arent as many convenient cannabis clubs to be selling to... if you seek out places that still have harsh sentences for growing you will probly find high prices for cannabis...

Point being that when someone practically wishes Prison on themselves to maintain profits, and has no care for the well being of anyone else... it shouldnt have to be stated what kind of a person that is... im sure right now they are hidden behind a medical script which is keeping them outa the big house... MOthersucker, if you really wanna make the big bucks, start moving east coast, the prices of indoor are still through the roof, hope you have contact back there to get rid of it to....

you cant try to keep a place that is moving forward in the cannabis scene in the dark ages as a singular grower... adapt with the changes, or move the fuck on... even if 19 passes, there are still the laws of supply and demand going on... produce grade A quality smoke and your still going to do just fine... but 1000s of new potential growers are starting up all the time, there wont be that much room at the bottom for long anyways, as larger growers continue to expand their horizons , its the nature of the situation, its happening...

good indoor pounds are droppin, clubs are payin mid 3s for grade A smoke because of it when people were easily getting 4 plus... cant stop change, its inevitible....

going back to the beginning of all of this, when someone practically wishes prison on themselves and others so they can maintain profits, it is hard to not off handedly wish just what they seem to desire for others upon themselves...

i digress, i have no personal interest in continueing with arguements... in alot of ways I as an individual , and with the medical history i have... am happy with 215 and being able to grow etc, and collectives forming... but that will still be there for me no matter what happens for everyone else... iv grown up fighting battles i believe in, and someone facing years for having over a certain weight of cannabis... is not right...

Smoke and feel Irie

even as the medical scene in cali goes, the more time goes on the more supply there will be , simple as that, especially as long as there ARE profit margins to be made...