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Hey!
Hey!
Stop beating those bitches man! They puttin out!!! they workin!!!
Feed that soil - PALEEZ - my goodness its devoid or got a big lockout going.
But hawt dayum brother - look at the notorious litter box grow! Yup I said it - shit smells like a litter box - and one smells like doodoo - raunchy good stanky dank my friend - now if you can get the yield on it too man - you'll want to start taking clones cause shits keeper status if it yields big - its already dense - just not chunky chunky - maybe just me... SLHxMM of course.
I'm calling it Mad Lemon Haze - theres a lot of sick name variations
Hey!
Stop beating those bitches man! They puttin out!!! they workin!!!
Feed that soil - PALEEZ - my goodness its devoid or got a big lockout going.
But hawt dayum brother - look at the notorious litter box grow! Yup I said it - shit smells like a litter box - and one smells like doodoo - raunchy good stanky dank my friend - now if you can get the yield on it too man - you'll want to start taking clones cause shits keeper status if it yields big - its already dense - just not chunky chunky - maybe just me... SLHxMM of course.
I'm calling it Mad Lemon Haze - theres a lot of sick name variations
Im tryin! Gotta get that bottle and figure out the lights-off temp - find the balance point. Until recently, they were getting a big drink every 2-3 days. Now, even with really dry air, its every 4-5. Its got to be chilly down there - putting them in a camotose-like sleep. Im probably going to have to run the heater all 'night'.
Another problem is the draft - ya draft. When I did the rebuild it was hot and humid - everything was tight. Woods shrinking faster than a dude in the Polar Bear Club!
I need to get some poly up over the door to the bulkhead pronto.
Still surprised at the piss smell, and now poo too. Lots of names for sure, but not for a chuck - seems dishonest to me. I keep thinking the obvious Super Lemon Madness but maybe Peepoo would be more fitting - or Kitty Litter. "Yo, bro, wanna smoke some kitty litter?" How about The Cats Ass? "This? Its the cats ass!" I hope I get phenos like yours. Are those odors strong or subtle? How much comes through in the flavor?
Clones - always clones. I don't ever not clone (even though I said I wanted to get away from cloning so much). 2 of each as per the usual. That's why I have to keep throwing them out. Figure if there are 8 budding then I have at least 16 clones. Throw in a pack o' beans and Ive got 20-some-odd in the plantry. There are 28 in there now. Need to thin the herd. 6 out the door later but need to ditch 4 more - need to stop wanting to hold everything - need space to veg some bigger girls - need to double my wattage.
Im babbling. Time for coffee.
Another problem is the draft - ya draft. When I did the rebuild it was hot and humid - everything was tight. Woods shrinking faster than a dude in the Polar Bear Club!
I need to get some poly up over the door to the bulkhead pronto.Still surprised at the piss smell, and now poo too. Lots of names for sure, but not for a chuck - seems dishonest to me. I keep thinking the obvious Super Lemon Madness but maybe Peepoo would be more fitting - or Kitty Litter. "Yo, bro, wanna smoke some kitty litter?" How about The Cats Ass? "This? Its the cats ass!" I hope I get phenos like yours. Are those odors strong or subtle? How much comes through in the flavor?
Clones - always clones. I don't ever not clone (even though I said I wanted to get away from cloning so much). 2 of each as per the usual. That's why I have to keep throwing them out. Figure if there are 8 budding then I have at least 16 clones. Throw in a pack o' beans and Ive got 20-some-odd in the plantry. There are 28 in there now. Need to thin the herd. 6 out the door later but need to ditch 4 more - need to stop wanting to hold everything - need space to veg some bigger girls - need to double my wattage.
Im babbling. Time for coffee.
You can try raising the roots off the groud also - the ambient temp is higher off the ground.
One pheno is just like SLH with i'm guessing some MM funk.
Another the doodoo one actually smelt like coffee today and sweeter - no more of that really strong foul smell lol
As for the litter box - well that shit is just gettin raunchier - I dam near threw the buds out the jar by accident after taking a wiff today. It smells like a USED litter box lol!
Taste wise the smells are not entirely pulling thru. The litter box is the best with a sweet n sour smoke - while the SLH pheno is sweet and lemony - the other i forget. I got so much different weed im smoking now heehee
The cold is lame... heaters expensive too - watcha ganna do mate?
One pheno is just like SLH with i'm guessing some MM funk.
Another the doodoo one actually smelt like coffee today and sweeter - no more of that really strong foul smell lol
As for the litter box - well that shit is just gettin raunchier - I dam near threw the buds out the jar by accident after taking a wiff today. It smells like a USED litter box lol!
Taste wise the smells are not entirely pulling thru. The litter box is the best with a sweet n sour smoke - while the SLH pheno is sweet and lemony - the other i forget. I got so much different weed im smoking now heehee
The cold is lame... heaters expensive too - watcha ganna do mate?
Usually it's coffee that makes me babble.Considered hitting them with a little worm castings? I know you're using bottled nutes, but it should perk them right up regardless.
Perhaps I should. At the very least, ewc would make a nice addition to the occasional guano dressings. Plants love that shit! Wa-wa-waaa...
They are indeed all off the ground. About 8" for the taller and 12" for the shorter. Both to get the root zones out of the coldest air and to maintain a very general canopy evenness.
While I was tending, I got to thinking about the smells youre getting from the bud. Lemon skunk, 1/2 the make up of SLH. Skunk is called skunk for a reason - if it didn't have the musky/urine terpenes it could have been called badger or woodchuck or some other such thing. Made myself feel pretty stupid for a few. Coffee has got to be coming from the kush side of MM. Man I want me a big jar of piss!
Ive got the heater running continuously during lights off - I thought better of having multiple temp swings. Other than that its wait and see.
It's no wonder you guys are getting a wide spectrum of smells on the SLH x MM, since there are genes from a half dozen strains in this cross, but I'm betting the piss/poo is from the MM. The maternal of MM that we thought was Madness OG was actually a lavender sativa. But the smell of MM is nowhere close to lavender, and personally, I don't care for it. It's the deep stone that keeps bringing me back.
"Still surprised at the piss smell, and now poo too. Lots of names for sure, but not for a chuck - seems dishonest to me. I keep thinking the obvious Super Lemon Madness but maybe Peepoo would be more fitting - or Kitty Litter. "Yo, bro, wanna smoke some kitty litter?" How about The Cats Ass? "This? Its the cats ass!" I hope I get phenos like yours. Are those odors strong or subtle? How much comes through in the flavor?"
Too funny dude, I couldn't stop laughing when I read that. You're a terrific grower and a great writer. Your threads are a pleasure to read. Hope you don't mind me poking my nose in?
Too funny dude, I couldn't stop laughing when I read that. You're a terrific grower and a great writer. Your threads are a pleasure to read. Hope you don't mind me poking my nose in?
growbig789
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Hey man the show goes on, yah the smell descriptions are interesting. I can understand how a plant that smells like the toilet could be a winner but its kinda an interesting concept
Hmm if I had to guess I would probably go with some kind of lock-out or ph issue with the slh x mm? I can have a hard time figuring that kind of stuff out, but I would second the EWC as for what I would probably try to fix it. Also maybe some more ph buffering ammendment, but you already use lime don't you? All I know is that for me personally I've had better luck with my overall plant health since I went the living soil route. When I started pre-mixing a dry-organic fert and other ammendments into the soil on transplant I wasn't using bottled nutes anymore and I didn't have quite as many nutrient/lockout/ph problems.
For the cold temps I have a 4' x 2' seedling heat mat and it fits just perfect in my flowering cab. I have it set on a thermostat and it definitely helps keep the roots a bit warmer through the brutal California winter But you have a bigger space so something like that may not be practical... but I think if the plants roots are a bit warmer then the cooler ambient air temps don't matter as much. Anyways looks good and i'm enjoying watching the show!
Hmm if I had to guess I would probably go with some kind of lock-out or ph issue with the slh x mm? I can have a hard time figuring that kind of stuff out, but I would second the EWC as for what I would probably try to fix it. Also maybe some more ph buffering ammendment, but you already use lime don't you? All I know is that for me personally I've had better luck with my overall plant health since I went the living soil route. When I started pre-mixing a dry-organic fert and other ammendments into the soil on transplant I wasn't using bottled nutes anymore and I didn't have quite as many nutrient/lockout/ph problems.
For the cold temps I have a 4' x 2' seedling heat mat and it fits just perfect in my flowering cab. I have it set on a thermostat and it definitely helps keep the roots a bit warmer through the brutal California winter
But you have a bigger space so something like that may not be practical... but I think if the plants roots are a bit warmer then the cooler ambient air temps don't matter as much. Anyways looks good and i'm enjoying watching the show!
Lavender sativa - that through me for a loop. Very interesting and good to know. Thanks for that Festi. The MM pheno Ive been running is definitely kush dominant. Cures to those darker flavors and very smooth.
Gave the chucks a sugar leaf rub and theres 1 that's lemony kush, 1 that's lemon, kush and what Ive come to recognize as SSH influenced, 1 that's super lemony like dish soap minus the soapiness and 1 that's an incredibly sharp, nose wrinkling sour lemon - my favorite so far.
Thanks smilley Im slowly earning my grow chops. I like 'colorful' descriptions to be sure. Poke your nose in, the rest of you is welcome too - plenty of spare crates around.
Id need 4-5 heat mats for the space. Ill stick with the heater. My luck Id fray a cord, spill some water and short myself out. No lime, but Ive thought about adding some. Ph has been pretty good. I don't mention it, but Ive been watching and adjusting all along. The claw has been nearly eliminated. When I do start to see some, I adjust.
Been thinking more and more about going with organic nutrition. Im not sure how I want to go about it yet. That or buffered nutes. Im just not sure which way I want to go.
Is there a company that makes an additive that's just trace minerals? Id try something like that with various guanos/castings - in the soil Ive been using amended with lime. I want simple - cheap and simple. The more I learn, the less cheap and simple things become. Which is probably a testament to the limits of bottled nutes and the amount of knowledge I still need to gain.
So now I know which direction to point myself in during this winters studies.
Its been some time since I sent out a general 'Thank you all' - for your interest, input and good vibes. So here it is
Gave the chucks a sugar leaf rub and theres 1 that's lemony kush, 1 that's lemon, kush and what Ive come to recognize as SSH influenced, 1 that's super lemony like dish soap minus the soapiness and 1 that's an incredibly sharp, nose wrinkling sour lemon - my favorite so far.
Thanks smilley
Im slowly earning my grow chops. I like 'colorful' descriptions to be sure. Poke your nose in, the rest of you is welcome too - plenty of spare crates around.Id need 4-5 heat mats for the space. Ill stick with the heater. My luck Id fray a cord, spill some water and short myself out. No lime, but Ive thought about adding some. Ph has been pretty good. I don't mention it, but Ive been watching and adjusting all along. The claw has been nearly eliminated. When I do start to see some, I adjust.
Been thinking more and more about going with organic nutrition. Im not sure how I want to go about it yet. That or buffered nutes. Im just not sure which way I want to go.
Is there a company that makes an additive that's just trace minerals? Id try something like that with various guanos/castings - in the soil Ive been using amended with lime. I want simple - cheap and simple. The more I learn, the less cheap and simple things become. Which is probably a testament to the limits of bottled nutes and the amount of knowledge I still need to gain.
So now I know which direction to point myself in during this winters studies.
Its been some time since I sent out a general 'Thank you all' - for your interest, input and good vibes. So here it is
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StickyHands
Member
excellent thread. Loving it!
Thanks! Your Jungle Cheese looks nice - hows the smoke?
http://www.suregro.com/fertilisers/...-t-e-m-soluble-trace-element-mix-11-34kg.html
Something like this?
I use sea minerals and epsom salts to cover my bases, along with EWC, good compost and organic agricultural fertilizer from a local university. Cheap and effective! I also use this stuff on occasion:
http://www.everris.com/Home/Ornamen...izers/Trace-Element-Packages/Micromax-Premium
NOT organic, but cheap and I only need a tiny amount once in a while.
Something like this?
I use sea minerals and epsom salts to cover my bases, along with EWC, good compost and organic agricultural fertilizer from a local university. Cheap and effective! I also use this stuff on occasion:
http://www.everris.com/Home/Ornamen...izers/Trace-Element-Packages/Micromax-Premium
NOT organic, but cheap and I only need a tiny amount once in a while.
StickyHands
Member
Jungle Cheese was real nice, and never complained about anything i done, so was deffo forgiving for my first attempt.
Had a friend grow the cheese exo cut at same time, and we found the exo to be more hard hitting, but the jungle cheese tasted sweeter, and also allowed me to function throughout the day. Mind you, now that im thinking of her, i sure do miss her.lol
One silver haze that i thought hermed has been my only clone i have now. Luckily i gave a clone to someone and the clone was fine for them, so i knew i had a light leak or problem in my environment.
She finishes within8-9weeks, and is lemony goodness with sh undertone. Stinks of incense once cut. Got one lonesome lady in week3-4 flower just now. Shes gonna be my xmas smoke, all being safe and well.
popped more seeds tho, will make a thread once things get going..
too many flavours to choose from, and not enough time or space.....lol
growbig789
Member
I like the sound of some of those smells... lemon yumm. Yah I hear ya on the mats.. does your room hold the warmth pretty well with the heater on? U got a fan mixing the heat back down?
My understanding is that all the life in a good compost helps keep the ph and everything in general more stable in an organic medium. I love making my own compost and I think it contributes a lot to the overall well being of the plant. I can tell u I grow herb cheaper now than ever.. a $20 25 lb sac of organic dry fert will last me a long time.. I refresh the mix with some new peat and perlite which is cheap and then ewc and compost which I consider free. My bottles now are neptune fish and seawed and some pure kelp. Which I believe kelp is good on trace minerals..
So many ways to get to the same destination the journey is fun eh?
My understanding is that all the life in a good compost helps keep the ph and everything in general more stable in an organic medium. I love making my own compost and I think it contributes a lot to the overall well being of the plant. I can tell u I grow herb cheaper now than ever.. a $20 25 lb sac of organic dry fert will last me a long time.. I refresh the mix with some new peat and perlite which is cheap and then ewc and compost which I consider free. My bottles now are neptune fish and seawed and some pure kelp. Which I believe kelp is good on trace minerals..
So many ways to get to the same destination
the journey is fun eh?
Agree, compost does wonders for the soil life and your plants, and its cheap! I get almost all of my grow products from a place that supplies home gardeners, and they are cheap too. No need to get ripped off at the grow store when you can find, or even make, superior products for less if you do your homework!
I get almost all of my grow products from a place that supplies home gardeners, and they are cheap too. No need to get ripped off at the grow store when you can find, or even make, superior products for less if you do your homework!
The heater is doing its job - temps at lights on is now mid to upper 60s. Exhaust is blowing the heat out constantly. I think Im going to have to put that on a timer to run it intermittently through the dark cycle.
I was talking to Sticky up there and it got me thinking. Im going to cover the door with a sheet of celotex. Just have to cut a few holes for the handle and slide bolts. Oh and 1 of those bolts can get moved to get a tighter fit against the frame. Also thinking of adding squares of foam board under the pots to help insulate.
So - snug up and insulate door, insulate pots, run exhaust intermittently - maybe I wont even need the heater? Or just for the few hours between sundown and lights on?
Had a revelation today. Up to now Ive only been able to adjust my ph prior to adding nutes. Holy Shit? I cant understand how Ive been able to grow at all. Got to use a ph pen when I mixed my nutes today - 5.4! That's what Ive been dumping into my plants. Apparently, what was really keeping my plants alive was the plain water between feedings. Ive been doing them a favor all this time starving them. Do you know what this means?
My bottle of ph down is going to outlast me!
Im very excited! The healthy of the plants will have to improve with this knowledge - leading to more weight? Will my level of acceptability ( 1 oz/gal of soil or height of plant {after 2 1/2'}) be less acceptable?
Brings up some side thoughts - Should plant height and pot size match up? Ie. If youre aiming for 3' tall plants, should you use a 3 gal pot to maximize potential? (This would change with super cropped monsters I believe.) In the example, I wouldn't be disappointed in a 3 oz harvest. 4 would be better and make me smile. I guess that's not really a side ways movement.
Anyway, I should be seeing bigger harvests if my plants have been spending at least 1/2 their time in lockout, right?
Man... I really feel like a boob.
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My home gardening stores cost even more than the grow shops. Apartment dweller, so compost piles/worm bins are out of the question. Also, being married destroyed my credit, so theres no ordering for me either - and I cant count on my partner enough to make it happen when it needs to happen. Always waiting. Back in August I said co2 would be running in here - partner just got the tank filled today!
There are times when I miss my private little pantry grow.
Edit: For anyone who is following, or not - Beast Mode #1 - 2.2, #2 - 3.3, #4 - 2.3 #3 is hanging.
Double Edit: Check out MrAwders vert light mover! https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6066444&postcount=140
I was talking to Sticky up there and it got me thinking. Im going to cover the door with a sheet of celotex. Just have to cut a few holes for the handle and slide bolts. Oh and 1 of those bolts can get moved to get a tighter fit against the frame. Also thinking of adding squares of foam board under the pots to help insulate.
So - snug up and insulate door, insulate pots, run exhaust intermittently - maybe I wont even need the heater? Or just for the few hours between sundown and lights on?
Had a revelation today. Up to now Ive only been able to adjust my ph prior to adding nutes. Holy Shit? I cant understand how Ive been able to grow at all. Got to use a ph pen when I mixed my nutes today - 5.4! That's what Ive been dumping into my plants. Apparently, what was really keeping my plants alive was the plain water between feedings. Ive been doing them a favor all this time starving them. Do you know what this means?
My bottle of ph down is going to outlast me!
Im very excited! The healthy of the plants will have to improve with this knowledge - leading to more weight? Will my level of acceptability ( 1 oz/gal of soil or height of plant {after 2 1/2'}) be less acceptable?
Brings up some side thoughts - Should plant height and pot size match up? Ie. If youre aiming for 3' tall plants, should you use a 3 gal pot to maximize potential? (This would change with super cropped monsters I believe.) In the example, I wouldn't be disappointed in a 3 oz harvest. 4 would be better and make me smile. I guess that's not really a side ways movement.
Anyway, I should be seeing bigger harvests if my plants have been spending at least 1/2 their time in lockout, right?
Man... I really feel like a boob.
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My home gardening stores cost even more than the grow shops. Apartment dweller, so compost piles/worm bins are out of the question. Also, being married destroyed my credit, so theres no ordering for me either - and I cant count on my partner enough to make it happen when it needs to happen. Always waiting. Back in August I said co2 would be running in here - partner just got the tank filled today!
There are times when I miss my private little pantry grow.
Edit: For anyone who is following, or not - Beast Mode #1 - 2.2, #2 - 3.3, #4 - 2.3
#3 is hanging.Double Edit: Check out MrAwders vert light mover! https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6066444&postcount=140
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Larger pots = larger yield--I am seriously limiting my larger girls in one gallon Smartpots, and they're dropping leaves to let me know they need more room! Since you have the space, I'd go with five gallon pots.
I'm lucky my guys will sell me small quantities of agricultural-grade stuff for next to nothing; a lb of organic fertilizer for agricultural use is like $2.50, and worm castings are about the same. For a small scale indoor grower, it's a blessing. I always tell the guy there that he runs the best shop in the whole world, and he grins. He knows what I'm up to.
My 666th post...nice.
I'm lucky my guys will sell me small quantities of agricultural-grade stuff for next to nothing; a lb of organic fertilizer for agricultural use is like $2.50, and worm castings are about the same. For a small scale indoor grower, it's a blessing. I always tell the guy there that he runs the best shop in the whole world, and he grins. He knows what I'm up to.
My 666th post...nice.
Larger pots = larger yield--I am seriously limiting my larger girls in one gallon Smartpots, and they're dropping leaves to let me know they need more room! Since you have the space, I'd go with five gallon pots.
I'm lucky my guys will sell me small quantities of agricultural-grade stuff for next to nothing; a lb of organic fertilizer for agricultural use is like $2.50, and worm castings are about the same. For a small scale indoor grower, it's a blessing. I always tell the guy there that he runs the best shop in the whole world, and he grins. He knows what I'm up to.
My 666th post...nice.
Im not particularly a 'big pot = big yield' true believer. Final weight on NWT #1 (after a tad more drying - originally posted as 4 oz) was 3.8 in 1 1/2 gal of soil. Sooo...
Ah, see - your guy treats you good. Post # did not escape me
