3'x3' Tent landrace sativa grow

[wbttk]

Hi all,

I am a huge sativa fan and have always wanted to grow some landrace sativa strains. I will gladly wait on the longer flowering varieties. I know they can be tough to grow in a smaller tent because of stretch and wildness, so I'm seeing if anyone landrace sativa enthusiasts here have successfully grown long flowering strains in a tent about 3'x3' with a 600w Mars LED? I'm growing in soil.

I'd like to know how many landrace sativas I can fit in the tent, vertical grow, and what gallon pots? I'm thinking 3 plants in 3 gallon pots each - too big? Thinking about vegging at 12", should I do it earlier?

***Finally, I am looking for the most psychedelic landrace sativas I can find. I want the most energetic, caffeine-like, electric, psychedelic, next-level high without the body stone. Haha, the kind of high I've heard about on these boards, but haven't experienced for myself.

The Ace feminized Zamaldelica, Malawi, Purple Haze x Malawi, Golden Tiger, and Congo are all strains I'm looking at.

The yield and taste are completely secondary considerations - its all about the quality of the high.

This is my 4th grow, and 1st in a grow tent. Never grew a long flowering sativa, but very eager to.

Thanks everyone!

 

[thejact55]

OK here is my 3x3 current sativa grow.
I have 3 RSC Malana Creams, in two gallon pots
1 Ace Double Thai, in one gallon pot
4 Tropical Seeds Senegal in one gallon pots
To say the least, my tent is overgrown. I normally do one gallon pots only, but tested 2 gallons this go. The two gallons is too much, they are huge, and have to be tied down. I have to adjust them daily for best light penetration, and so they dont grow into the light. So far, I am making it, but barely lol. Light it hitting my bottom buds, but the canopy if pretty dense. Dont expect a huge yeild, I dont care about that either.

It depends on how packed you want them in there. mine is probably a little overboard. I say 6 1-gallon pots is max for tall lanky sativas, 3 in 3 gallons might be pushing it. What if they get 7-8' tall? My Malanas in 2 gallons are over 4' and growing. Easily will get to 5' tall.

These pics are 5 days old. They are taller now.

Pic 1- pic of tent canopy
Pic 2- Ace Thai
Pic 3- 2 of my 4 Tropical Seeds Senegal
Pic 4- How I tie my Malana for height. This photo is a little old, they are larger and still growing. After this tie down you are seeing, I did a similar tie higher up the plant. I tie a semi-tight knot at the top, and tie the bottom of the string most the way down, again semi tight. When the grow, I slide the bottom knot down lower. So you want to tie the initial knot just below a lower node, to give you room to slide. Then when that string is at the top of the node below it, I tie another string at a higher part of the plant, and again below lower on the plant and start all over again.
Pic 5- all of my malana gals

So I start them on 16-18 hrs of light in seedling stage. I go to 12-12 lights a couple weeks later, then 11-13 a little later. Little to no nutes (they burn easy), besides what I have fortified into my personal soil mix. Look into Ace seeds, cannabiogen, The Real seed company (very unworked strains), Tropical Seeds, French touch for reunion island strains, Maybe seeds of africa, mixed results seen with no personal experience.

Good luck! Do it. Love my sativas.

 

[seeded]

I've grown a few landrace sativas in my time and the best advice I could give would be to make an absurd number of holes around the rim of your pots to make tying the branches down easier because you're going to need to train the hell out of them to make the most of indoor lighting. After you flip them keep tying the branches over one another to keep the plants compact making sure the growth tips don't crowd each other too much and then after a few weeks defoliate them a little to allow better air flow and light penetration into the growing buds. It's a ton of work but if you put in the time you'll be able to miniaturize what would be a massive plant outdoors into a very dense canopy of colas indoors and the more holes the pot has to work with the more you'll be able to train the plants into any shape you need them to be though so go nuts making them and get creative with the training afterwards.

Also you can't go wrong with Ace Seeds but if you're after something a bit more untamed The Real Seed Company has some truly wild stuff available. Their malana cream for example is off it's head. I'd train main down like a madman and by the time I was done going around the plant the first ones I tied down would already be perking back up and then laugh as they stretched a good 4 inches a day and sometimes more if I didn't keep up with the training. Ace's gear has so far seemed more tamed but trust me when I say that indoors that's a good thing and their breeding also makes every plant a potential keeper compared to the numbers game with the more wild varieties which is great too.

Good luck and I hope you do a grow diary because there's nothing better than seeing a landrace sativa being grown

 

[corky1968]

Small pots will help control the size of the plants and do feed them very lightly.

3 gallon pot will give you a tree. Don't go there. One gallon is more than enough in a small tent.

Good Luck

 

[Levitationofme]

2x2x5.5 foot box

Dual Ace Panamas
Red Pheno and Green.

Followed some good advice on keeping the size down and managing growth from Corky1968 and others.

 

[Levitationofme]

This is one of my Malawi.

Heavily trained....... 12/12 from Seed

 

[Thule]

Which tent model is that? Sounds perfect.

You can flower anything in that, the smallest tent I ever used was 30cmx30cmx30cm (1x1x1 feet)

Go with small pots and you can fit dozens of plants in there.

Those strains by Ace you mentioned are not landraces. Landrace derived yes, some of them are fairly easy to grow.

Most landrace sativas are not strong. I spent years trying to find the strongest pure sativas and most are just mellow at best. Go with Real Seed Company if you want the real deal. Malana, Manipur and Nepal are supposedly very strong. Zamal is also one of the stronger ones, French touch has them.

 

[Levitationofme]

Which tent model is that? Sounds perfect.

You can flower anything in that, the smallest tent I ever used was 30cmx30cmx30cm (1x1x1 feet)

Go with small pots and you can fit dozens of plants in there.

Those strains by Ace you mentioned are not landraces. Landrace derived yes, some of them are fairly easy to grow.

Most landrace sativas are not strong. I spent years trying to find the strongest pure sativas and most are just mellow at best. Go with Real Seed Company if you want the real deal. Malana, Manipur and Nepal are supposedly very strong. Zamal is also one of the stronger ones, French touch has them.

To be honest, I am not stuck on pure landraces. The Ace stuff is extremely high quality. Perhaps as I get further into this I may.

 

[Levitationofme]

Which tent model is that? Sounds perfect.

You can flower anything in that, the smallest tent I ever used was 30cmx30cmx30cm (1x1x1 feet)

Go with small pots and you can fit dozens of plants in there.

Those strains by Ace you mentioned are not landraces. Landrace derived yes, some of them are fairly easy to grow.

Most landrace sativas are not strong. I spent years trying to find the strongest pure sativas and most are just mellow at best. Go with Real Seed Company if you want the real deal. Malana, Manipur and Nepal are supposedly very strong. Zamal is also one of the stronger ones, French touch has them.

I went out and purchased a Stealth Grow box. It's a good quality Aluminum Cabinet. I went sort of Bare Bones as I set it up for LED instead of a less expensive and hot light. Still had to modify to make the setup light tight. I also chucked the top shelf that made the top chamber a sort of Clone/seedling chamber.


I then removed the carbon filters from inside and I vent air out and thru the filter into the room. Their are plenty of vents and room for wires.The Fans were ok but It was louder then I wanted so I modified and use a 6 inch fan on very low. Not to mention it's nice to have grow space.

It was originally ment to start clones up top then finish them with a scrog net on the bottom in a Hydro/bubbler.

I also modified a typical Entertainment Center to be my veg area.

Now that the laws are going to allow home grows for medical ( I Hope) I will grab a Gorilla 4x2. Should give me all the space I need.

I use the same BD 240 watt for veg and flower. Seedlings love it.
Clones love it. All my T-5s are retired

 

[Levitationofme]

The yield and taste are completely secondary considerations - its all about the quality of the high.

What I am saying is when you combine excellent quality genetics with growers pride and some skill it's hard to make a bad choice.

I had a grower friend in Colorado choose the first variety to grow. I have had great luck with beans. I believe even with great beans I killed 1/2 of my projects along the way.

Tangerine Haze was first


I have grown out and cured one of the easier Ace crosses to grow.
PCK x Kali China

It was extremely forgiving. I ended up with a nice couple of plants
that yielded plenty for me. It has been curing for many months now
in a CV vault. Went from Green to Gold. The High is really excellent
first buzz of the day. Very heady, really enjoyable.

I have some Panama from Ace and one is dried and in the jars, the other needed a couple more weeks.
With barely cured buds the high is strong and happy but not very complex. I did a "Tangewana" style Sweat cure on a couple of the buds. Screwed up the first try and ended up with ultra dry weed.
Second try much better. The high was more interesting and more uplifting. Should be insane when all those resins mature during the cure. Sativa Dominant plants seem to improve with a long cure.

What a bunch of fricken fun!! Obviously I am currently happily high

 

[wbttk]

Ok, you guys are awesome! I am so stoked to be growing these sativas!

I've been searching far and wide for smoke reports on these different sativa strains, and I've seen that the Malawi high is more of a heavy sativa high, whereas Zamaldelica is more electric, so I may go with those two for sure for variety of the high.

Thinking of rounding it out with a Canna Destroyer for some Mex/Colombian influence too.

Honestly, this is really exciting. Btw, my tent is Vivosun 36x36x72." So, I'm seeing some common themes here:

1. Intense training needed (thank you thejact55 for those great pictures)

2. 18/6, then 12/12 in taller seedling, then 11/13 a little later - when should I flip them to 12/12, like a foot tall, or is that too much??

3. Haha, 1 gallon pots!

4. Anything else I should really keep in mind, other than how cool this grow will be?

I am really trying to grow cannabis that is unlike anything I can get at a dispensary. Like next-level flower. Just for reference, I've never had anything like that and the closest I've gotten is Durban Poison at a standard dispensary (don't know whose seeds, but I know its not close to 100%). It's as close to the caffeine-like pure mental high that I really really am looking for - hence my complete intrigue with pure/purer sativas.

Ok, again, you guys are great!!!!

 

[wbttk]

By the way, any preference on air/smart pots over standard pots? If so, do I still keep them at 1 gallon, or do I go a little larger? I've read you have to go larger, but not sure if that's entirely true? Thanks again!!

 

[burmese]

with that light is one planted sativa enought if you go even with 12/12 in 5 liter min.earth, or sog say 16-25 plants with 1 liter min. earth. Pure unselected landraces mostly dont have problems with low earth

 

[wbttk]

Just another question. When it comes to training these tall sativas as for controlling height, which is the best recommended training method in this situation?

I've never trained a plant before. It sounds like topping is a way to control height, so I'm assuming you can do it during their pre-flower stretch as often as needed to keep them shorter. Is this correct?

Thanks again everyone!

 

[corky1968]

All training is best done before flowering and keep the plants in the small pots at
least until 5 weeks into flowering. Once they have been flowering for a while they
slow down on stretching and can be more controlled if they are transplanted then.

If you transplant too early they will stretch madly when placed into larger pots with new soil.

Topping is fine if you want to do that also.

As for myself I vegetate with only 14 hours of light usually and then go down to 12/12 when I want to flower them.

In case you don't know. Tropical Sativas don't get exposed to 18 hours of daylight ever in their natural environment.

About the 1 gallon pot. You won't laugh if you get a 4 foot plant in it
and then think how much bigger it would have got in a 3 gallon pot.

 

[thejact55]

Corky: didn't you have a tutorial on how you control you sativa ' s with taking off certain leaves and such? Though it was in your signature. Might be a helpful tool in this case.

I simply tie the tops down to the lower stem, or tie it down to the pot. This though might not be true in the least, but with sativa having elevated hermit tendancies, I don't like topping them, as I fear it will stress them and they will shoot out balls. This could be not the case at all though. I also like to see the structure of the plant in its natural form too.

 

[corky1968]

Corky: didn't you have a tutorial on how you control you sativa ' s with taking off certain leaves and such? Though it was in your signature. Might be a helpful tool in this case.

I simply tie the tops down to the lower stem, or tie it down to the pot. This though might not be true in the least, but with sativa having elevated hermit tendancies, I don't like topping them, as I fear it will stress them and they will shoot out balls. This could be not the case at all though. I also like to see the structure of the plant in its natural form too.

This.
HOW TO MANAGE SATIVAS INDOORS

The thing about leafing and stuff like I did with the Kerala this Summer.
It has to be done right away with a seedling. You can't do the same thing
if you got a 3 foot plant for example.

 

[corky1968]

For indoor growing, I say pure Sativas are best for left for breeders because the yields may not be the greatest.

While mostly Sativas strains are better for a person who wants a high quality product with a good yield of product to smoke.

 

[wbttk]

Wow, that's an awesome write up. Thank you Jact for pointing that out and Corky for writing it!

So 12/12 and the timing of the transplants are the key. So start in small sized pots, top at the 3rd node once they first show sex, transplant them to 1 gal pots after, then once its the 4th week of flower, transplant into larger pot. 2 questions:

1. Would a 5x5" pot be too big to start in or should I go 3x3"?
2. Is a 3 gallon pot to make the final transplant too big?

I really like this method, and thank you for giving a lot of clarity to the process. It's priceless for this first sativa grow.

 

[corky1968]

Wow, that's an awesome write up. Thank you Jact for pointing that out and Corky for writing it!

So 12/12 and the timing of the transplants are the key. So start in small sized pots, top at the 3rd node once they first show sex, transplant them to 1 gal pots after, then once its the 4th week of flower, transplant into larger pot. 2 questions:

1. Would a 5x5" pot be too big to start in or should I go 3x3"?
2. Is a 3 gallon pot to make the final transplant too big?

I really like this method, and thank you for giving a lot of clarity to the process. It's priceless for this first sativa grow.

5" square pots for Sativas are exactly what I've been using all along.

You can get a 3 foot plant in one no problem.

Just go with that for now and ask yourself if you want 3 gallon pot later on.

If I top at all I normally do it at the 6 - 8 internode.