Thank you for the kind words!
We have a lot more to learn about the benefits of cannabinoids.
Glad you are able to get some relief!
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Thank you for the kind words!
We have a lot more to learn about the benefits of cannabinoids.
Glad you are able to get some relief!
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Gr33nSanta
no THC? I thought for sleeping pills a 1:1 ratio would pack more punch. I have a friend that has been taking sleeping pills forever and she wants to get off of them, she does not want to get high. How many mg of CBD in each pill?
I have asked around a bit and people making THC pills around here people put 10mg THC per pill so one gram concentrate turn into 80+ pills (given that the concentrate test around 80% THC).
But I feel with CBD one could go much heavier, like 25- 40 mg? at that point it would be costly though but I really want to help her.
I was going to make her some 1:1 or 2CBD:1THC but reading your story make me feel like I should start with CBD only, for her.
The dosage is a personal thing. I have met many people who have had good luck with CBD oils etc for sleep. CBD and CBN should have the best effect. Some THC doesn't hurt. One chap takes a 50mg edible 45 mins before sleep. He said he hasn't had insomnia since. Here in Oregon 50mg and over can only be purchased at a medical dispensary.
I am going all CBD in the future. As this makes for much faster legal processes/licenses/ financing etc.
Don't get me wrong all cannabinoids have value. We just do not fully understand the interactions. And then the "entourage effect" from terps.
Lots to learn. I look forward to having my own lab. And may collaborate with a Geneticist down the road too.
It's going to be a battle. Phillip Morris(Malboro) dropped $20M in 2016 in CBD research. So I am way behind the corps. But I grow better flower than them!
https://merryjane.com/news/israel-the-epicenter-of-cannabis-research-and-innovation
http://abriluno.com/phillip-morris-introduces-marlboro-marijuana-cigarettes/
BakedBandit
Member
Yes Cbn for sleeping is good.
I was just reading about someone breeding for CBN. Can't remember the thread? But THC degrades to CBN so maybe old product is an easier way of getting it?
Anyone know of high CBN strains?
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Gr33nSanta
I think I heard Sam saying that even 2 years old weed has very little CBN, still mostly THC. So I think it takes way too long for THC to break down to CBN.
Thanks for the info I need to look into time/temp and speed of breakdown.
The extraction process speeds up break down. I think that might be a better option?
Can we convert THC to CBN easily? That is worth a try.
Dabasaurusrex
New member
I'm pretty sure you just keep heating decarbed THC and it will degrade from THC to CBN much faster than aging product. I guess distillate would be the best thing to work with here since it's cheap, relatively clean and typically 90+% thc and close to 98-99% cannabinoids.
When I have overcooked canna butter, it cooks the psycho-active effect right out of it. There is still a slightly relaxing, and tired/sleepy feeling, but no "high." Nothing even resembling a psycho-active effect.
I don't know about the degradation science etc, I'm just offering my experience. I have overcooked canna butter several times and it seems to remove the thc effect, but leave a small bit of body relaxation.
I was just reading about it. Seems the maximum conversion is 70% thc to cbn
The best method I found is heating extract in an O2 rich environment. Will be giving that a try sooner or later. I am a professional insomniac. Luckily my flower rooms are on all night. Seems to be a popular night time habit for sleepless growers!
The best method I found is heating extract in an O2 rich environment. Will be giving that a try sooner or later. I am a professional insomniac. Luckily my flower rooms are on all night. Seems to be a popular night time habit for sleepless growers!
What would you consider overcooking ? Length... Temp... ?
I just did a batch, simmer for 3 hours, strained material, added more material to same butter and simmered for another 3 hours, strained and done. Temp stayed just under 100C the whole time which is 212 F. Looking at the Decarbo graph that floats around, it is 223F where the line goes straight and only up.
https://wakeandbake.co/decarboxylating-cannabis-to-activate-thc/
In case it's a variable, I have a super high tolerance to edibles.
If you want to know what I have found that works...I decarb 1z on a large pan at 240 for 35 minutes. Then 4 sticks of butter and some water for 2-3 hours (both seem to work the same). Then I use the butter on english muffins. It's gross, but effective.
The last fail I forgot to decarb, so I simmered in butter for 8 hours. Then I used that butter to make brownies. 0 effect.
Other times I have remembered to decarb, but simmered over night = failed.
I've had more fails than successes in the pursuit of more potent edibles, so I'm just going to stick with what works. For me, every time I forget to decarb, it fails. If I forget that step, I haven't found a way to save it.
But my point was, when I have failed, the butter still has a small but noticeable body effect. But no head effect at all. I get relaxed and sleepy, but no psycho-active effects at all. I'm not sure if that's the heat/thc degradation that was mentioned earlier.
Flower Time!
Flower Time!
Elmers pushing corkscrew foxtails @ 8.5 wks. Blows me away!
Rainbow Kush. This came to me randomly. Found recently in a pack from Amsterdam seeds. Great Kush nose and structure. Way way heavier than any other "kush" I have. If it's potent it's going into production.
And Road Warrior @ 5.5 wks. Mesmerizing. Frostiest plant I have ever seen period.
Flower Time!
Elmers pushing corkscrew foxtails @ 8.5 wks. Blows me away!
Rainbow Kush. This came to me randomly. Found recently in a pack from Amsterdam seeds. Great Kush nose and structure. Way way heavier than any other "kush" I have. If it's potent it's going into production.
And Road Warrior @ 5.5 wks. Mesmerizing. Frostiest plant I have ever seen period.
i think mushroom is familiar with my chocolates but ill add my bit anyway.
i run my trim through bubble bags. i usually only get about 7g of hash but thats plenty to last me 5 weeks. so i decarb the hash (22 min at 220) and dissolve it into a tbs or two of coconut oil on the lowest heat possible in a sauce pan. add cbd next. then i add the appropriate amount of my favorite chocolate and mix ins (hazlenuts or almonds or nutella or peanut butter or coconut or diced marshmallows, whatever) and pour into molds. youll have to do some math and experimenting to feel out the volume of your molds and how much chocolate to use. i have found that a 1 to 2 ratio of cbd to thc is pretty effective for me. i like a 30/75mg chocolate personally, on bad days i have 2.
i run my trim through bubble bags. i usually only get about 7g of hash but thats plenty to last me 5 weeks. so i decarb the hash (22 min at 220) and dissolve it into a tbs or two of coconut oil on the lowest heat possible in a sauce pan. add cbd next. then i add the appropriate amount of my favorite chocolate and mix ins (hazlenuts or almonds or nutella or peanut butter or coconut or diced marshmallows, whatever) and pour into molds. youll have to do some math and experimenting to feel out the volume of your molds and how much chocolate to use. i have found that a 1 to 2 ratio of cbd to thc is pretty effective for me. i like a 30/75mg chocolate personally, on bad days i have 2.
What are you using as your CBD source?
GainGreene
Member
Road Warrior @ 5.5 is nuts. Is that the bagseed from the apprentice? If so might just consider him family for the contribution. Looking good like always this is the thread that keeps on giving, vast amounts of knowledge re-read again. Your crushing it Boss.
Hit Road Warrior with Copper Chem pollen and call it "Ultimate Warrior "?
Oh done already seeds from both males are swelling!!
I just made some ferocious hybrids!! I dont know about you guys but I just love this shit!!
The Copper Chem stud is so fast. Almost hemp speed. But he is resinous too. I expect his offspring to be Ultimate for sure!
Next up I will do The White x Copper Chem.
I think that will bring down the node spacing. And make a Chem frost monster. I will pick the best male and use him for my Chem lines. Muhahahaha!!
I have all the right ingredients. I just need one more riduculous stinker for my terp project.
Ibechillin
Masochist Educator
Really looking forward to this since you have unlimited plant #s.
You can fit 64 cuttings in a 4x4x30" tall space around 1 600w. 1 plant per ft2 with next row of plants 10" above.
A 600w bulb makes 90,000 lumens, not bad.
The sun makes 98000 lumens per m2.
People claim yeilds of 2lbs per 600w.
896g ÷ 600 = 1.4933333333 GPW
People have also claimed 2.678lbs per 600w.
1200g ÷ 600 = 2 GPW
Thanks DHF, you have contributed alot of great information.
Here is the link to heath's flooded tube vertical journal, more great info.
Page 36 about midway down vert farmer has great contributions.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.149998/
I really like the 8 trees around 2 stacked 600w.
1792g (4lb) ÷ 1200 = 1.4933333333 GPW
This seems to be be the more economical way in terms of effort to setup and maintain. Although, you are limited in terms of potential max yeild per 4x4 floor space to around 4lbs, maybe more once really dialed.
Coliseum SOG you can add more shelfs, plants and 600w lights going upward to increase potential 4x4 floor space yeild.
A friend of mine had one of these systems, coliseum by growco.
Keep on kicking ass man!
