220w pl-l coco scrog cupboard

[sx646522]

Those teenage girls're gettin' moist!

Man superpedro is a wealth of knowledge, so glad he's part of the community...

Remember, he's not just Pedro, he's....

"Look, up in the sky!"

"It's a bird!"

"It's a plane!"

"No, it's..."


SUPERPEDRO!

The 'Man of Bud' (El 'Hombre de Mota')...




-SX

 

[optic sizzle]

Pedro may be smart, but look at his horrible skin. And he wears underwear on the outside.

And he's stll more popular than me

 

[b00m]

haha

 

[surgexvb]

hey scrub, do you know what brand that hood is? I really like it but cant find anything around like it. Thanks for any help!

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hehehe, yup Pedro is the man and you guys are kerrrrazy.

Surge, it should be noted I'm from oz, so if you're in the states maybe it's not available (not sure) but I think it's called a Starlite (?) or maybe Twilite or Twilight or some variation of that. Or it might also be an EziPlug product. Sorry I can't help more as I bought mine secondhand, but if you get stuck, look up some of Fatigues posts, he has made a few very in-depth posts concerning aquiring the equipment, with links etc. My friend also bought one from ebay.

Otherwise even my tiny town's hydro store sells them. They're pretty popular here for vegging/cloning.

 

[Mary Chan]

Lol scrub thought I was contributing as sizzle but software blocked me. Wondering why everyone was ignoring me!

Some mistakes there. Look into this term: mineralization.

It's not about C or no C. CO2 is mineralized C. N salts are mineralized N. Solubility is the key.

NO3 is not a nutrient. N2 is not either. N is the nutrient when it's used by a plant. The salt (no3 and such) is a nutrient salt. Tons of it in guano. So Pedro is as organic and safe as you are, maybe more.

If you want to commit to living soil, get in touch with the ofc. Same nutrients. Different delivery.

 

[Hydrosun]

Hydro, haaha cool, and I believe you, man. Nobody with your resources is going to sit around smoking the same gear for 6 years if it was lacklustre. My mind is always in fast forward mode now, looking forward to partaking in this fine 'erb.

Here is the mom of your bean. The ceiling is 8' the guy holding the plant over his head is 6'3"

Peace,

 

[ScrubNinja]

Sizzle my nizzle, lol nope I never saw anything from sizzle!

Hmmm well that makes sense I guess. So NO3 is not a nutrient as such (technically speaking), but it still provides the N. Is that right?

Mineralised = soluble = ionic?

Thanks M-chan, hope they ease up on ya

 

[ScrubNinja]

LORD HAVE MERCY! Damn, that is wicked, Hydro. Oh hell yeah.

 

[Hydrosun]

Can you fit that in a PC case?

Peace,

 

[b00m]

^^ God Damn that is a beautiful tree Hydrosun, that is off the hook.
I envy HID grower's yields so much. Total Respect from down here.

Peace.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hahaha maybe I could bolt two PCs together Nah, this girl will get the whole cupboard (or maybe even the tent - it's bigger).

Or maybe I'll get my act together and move house!

 

[Mary Chan]

Scrub it's like table salt. In water the Na is ionic. Dry, it's bonded.

Pedro I giving you the gist of it, but flesh it out and many doors open.

Pedro does not grow like me at all. But you do. And most organic folks do. But we all use the same salts, one way or another. They are obligatory. He makes his own. Sounds cleaner than bay shit to me!

 

[Mary Chan]

I mean you do grow like Pedro, from what I remember.

They won't let me edit. Can't blame em. They don't realize I haven't wanted trouble for some time.

But my identity is the only thing I got left here. I got no leash on! Why go anonymous?

 

[ScrubNinja]

Cool cool cool. I decided under watering is why mine messed up, more than anything. Sorta related I guess.

Edit: damn pages - I think we need an "I am reformed, let me back in!" forum, lol.

 

[superpedro]

Hey guys.. Thanks @sx646522 LOL, where did you get that picture, that is exactly how my body looks


I think we are on a different page MJ.
Think we are getting into trouble, because there is two ways of using the word organic.
I'm referring to organic or non organic chemistry, and every molecule without C is definitely a non organic molecule. And not the way gardeners and hobbyists may use the word.
I believe that makes it much easier to understand how it works.

N is being converted from NO3 and used by the plant in the form of NH4 as far as I remember. I would never call N a nutrient since plants cant use it. Nutrition for cyanobacteria perhaps


As far as I know co2 is not mineralized, it's an all organic compound. It can, in theory, even be used to extract resin as an organic solvent. It's just hard to make liquid, since both pressure and temps has to be spot on.

Pedro I giving you the gist of it, but flesh it out and many doors open

There is more way's of using organic, guess thats why you and I never agree in the organic department .
Bioscience has found new use for many additional beneficial microbes. They work great. If we want to make miniature x-mas trees in small pots at work, we can buy microbes to work in symbioses with the roots, and secure N from the air for a plant that has to grow in an undersized pot for years without any new addition.
Great stuff, it is also being used to grow food in third world countries where the soil is low on nutrient.
You can get bio solutions for all kinds of crappy soil these day.
I've never understood why people would want to make use of it in indoor cannabis. The soil conditions are easy to make perfect, and why choose to feed an alternative bio-N source when you got Nitrosomonas and other fungi already supplying it?


I go by the "100%" rule if I have to decide if something is worth doing. My last grow was about 80$ if I calculate the power, nutrients and the usage of bulbs. If an additive costs 8$ it should give me 10% more, otherwise it's a waste of money in my book.

Fungi grows on/ breaks down the coarse materials in your soil, they feed on the organic compounds, and oxidizing carbon is how they get their energy. Ions are also their waste material.
Bacteria are so small they digest outside their cell by making enzymes to break down the small organic compounds. Think of them as critters living in their own stomach
Nitrosomonas will get their energy from any NH4 source, including what fungi leftover or what's contained in the bottles you mix in.
To me thats organic enough.

I know what you are talking about MJ, I just don't think it needs to be made that complicated.

 

[shaunmulok]

G'day m8 just thought i'd stop by and say thanks for the links
going to look back through your grow later tonight
stay safe cheers bro
shaunmulok

 

[ScrubNinja]

No worries Shaun. Mary Chan is a good person to hit up about EM I once had a great Bokashi thread wherein Ganja Din and Mj really dropped the science but all Ganja's posts were wiped so a lot of the important info is gone now. The HE I mentioned a little back is another great product and seems to be EM related. Any thoughts on that mary chan?

Pedro, yes the difference between the two definitions of organic causes so much confusion I think. It sure does for me anyway. But I've learnt an awful lot just from this recent conversation.

So, ahem, epsom salt (magnesium sulfate - MgSO4) is sold at the organic garden store. So there's no C in that compound, so under Pedro's philosophy, this would be inorganic, am I right? But by Mary Chan and the organic store's definition, it is organic because it came out of the ground and is a product of nature. Am I right?



I didn't water for 3 days so they're a little droopy today. I was going to apply epsom salt but I think that's not a good idea now, so just water. Peace.

 

[b00m]

Man I'm glad these people are on the net. Some good info being passed around.

Gardening for us all.
Peace.

 

[superpedro]

Pedro, yes the difference between the two definitions of organic causes so much confusion I think. It sure does for me anyway. But I've learnt an awful lot just from this recent conversation.

So, ahem, epsom salt (magnesium sulfate - MgSO4) is sold at the organic garden store. So there's no C in that compound, so under Pedro's philosophy, this would be inorganic, am I right? But by Mary Chan and the organic store's definition, it is organic because it came out of the ground and is a product of nature. Am I right.

Thanks, I'm happy you like it.

It would be inorganic in my book. (Ask for the shop keepers reasons for calling it organic - I'm not sure clean MgSO4 can even be made as a 100% "bio-salt")

BTW, It's a little more complicated than that, and only a one way rule. All organic matter contains Carbon, but not all mater containing Carbon is organic..
Like K2CO3 (potash) is inorganic and a salt. It also has to do with the structure of the molecule.