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2024 US Presidential Election

Who will become next President in U.S. what do you think?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 42 60.0%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 28 40.0%

  • Total voters
    70
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Hiddenjems

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Agreed. I was meaning there is a portion of the population born with both tissues - full or partial, even bound together in a gonadal enclosure. (inherent heterogeneity of ovotestes)
"Subsequently, the missed presence of an ovarian or testicular fraction in preserved gonads will lead to unexpected breast development or virilization ,respectively, in puberty"


My full reason for these related posts is only to illustrate that innocent victims can be demonized or otherwise suffer when broadscale regulations/laws are enacted.
People with that specific issue need to be treated fairly by the government and medical professionals.

My issue is with cutting perfectly fine sex organs and breasts off young people


Part of the dem messaging issue is the failure to clearly communicate a nuanced position, if they do in fact have any.
 

Microbeman

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People with that specific issue need to be treated fairly by the government and medical professionals.

My issue is with cutting perfectly fine sex organs and breasts off young people


Part of the dem messaging issue is the failure to clearly communicate a nuanced position, if they do in fact have any.
Thank you for understanding what I expressed and that expressed by the citation. Numb nuts thinks I moved some goal posts, I guess because he thinks I'm arguing.
 

eastcoastjoe

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Well I live on one of the largest oil and gas deposits in the world. My family gets oil and gas money from our property.

When Biden won many operations packed up waiting for a more friendly regulatory environment. The trucks are already headed back.

But go ahead and keep speaking on a topic you’ve heard stuff about.

I was agreeing with you goof 🤣
 

eastcoastjoe

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Thank you for understanding what I expressed and that expressed by the citation. Numb nuts thinks I moved some goal posts, I guess because he thinks I'm arguing.

You really think people in America are up in arms about this kind of thing because they reject this gender ideology being pushed on our youth ? It’s not even the same thing. Nobody wants to punish people like that and I’m confident they won’t.

Aside from that, It’s the rarest sexual defect on the planet. 500 cases globally ? I bet that specific condition has never been a topic of conversation in this trans movement in America. I bet you probably don’t even have children, but think the government should be telling us what to do with ours. Since you want to keep the name calling up, I’ll tell you what I really think about people like you, You’re a fucking disgrace.
 

Microbeman

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ou really think people in America are up in arms about this kind of thing because they reject this gender ideology being pushed on our youth ? It’s not even the same thing. Nobody wants to punish people like that and I’m confident they won’t.
No I do not. My point was only that people like these could be caught by unfair legislation or regulations. You seemingly could not grasp this. If you read the paper I referenced, you will find that it is not as rare as you think. My 11 year old died last year from the cancer I know a little about. I presently have 5 more but also have adult children.
 

eastcoastjoe

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No I do not. My point was only that people like these could be caught by unfair legislation or regulations. You seemingly could not grasp this. If you read the paper I referenced, you will find that it is not as rare as you think. My 11 year old died last year from the cancer I know a little about. I presently have 5 more but also have adult children.

If you read what I first said about hormone blockers, you will see I clearly mentioned they can be useful in treating cancers. Who is going to stop hormone blockers being used to treat cancers ?

As to the rarity of ovotesticular disorders, it’s about 1: 100,000 / 500 globally. So trump is going to ban people from treating cancers with drugs like anastrozole? Come on man, this is just fear mongering. People like that will be taken care of.
 

Hiddenjems

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You really think people in America are up in arms about this kind of thing because they reject this gender ideology being pushed on our youth ? It’s not even the same thing. Nobody wants to punish people like that and I’m confident they won’t.

Aside from that, It’s the rarest sexual defect on the planet. 500 cases globally ? I bet that specific condition has never been a topic of conversation in this trans movement in America. I bet you probably don’t even have children, but think the government should be telling us what to do with ours. Since you want to keep the name calling up, I’ll tell you what I really think about people like you, You’re a fucking disgrace.
Exactly. It’s like pretending that wanting a minimum age to drink means you want to ban alcohol.

I want adults to do whatever they want, no victim no crime. But children are to be under the care of their parents.
 

RobFromTX

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No I do not. My point was only that people like these could be caught by unfair legislation or regulations. You seemingly could not grasp this. If you read the paper I referenced, you will find that it is not as rare as you think. My 11 year old died last year from the cancer I know a little about. I presently have 5 more but also have adult children.
Man thats a lot of kids. And i thought raising two was a handful😅

My condolences for your loss 🙏
 

moose eater

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"Another woman died in Texas after visiting the ER 3 times for medical care during her miscarriage.
Say her name, Neveah Crain."

She's only one woman. Statistically insignificant... Unless she was your mother, wife, sister, auntie, daughter, etc.
 
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Microbeman

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Exactly. It’s like pretending that wanting a minimum age to drink means you want to ban alcohol.

I want adults to do whatever they want, no victim no crime. But children are to be under the care of their parents.
except that you know you just replied to a strawman statement, even against your own statement a short time ago - so not exactly.
 

eastcoastjoe

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Straw man statement 🤣🤣. You still haven’t made a point that makes any sense as it relates to policy. You wanna talk about flawed logic ? You keep switching up. First you tagged me using some crazy example of Ovotesticular disorder , a condition that is the rarest sexual condition on earth by the way. And what did I tell you ? Read below lol.


Then you start talking about weird bone cancers as it has anything to do with the policy change on hormone blockers.
Meanwhile, I’ve maintained the same position. If you go back and read, What your saying makes zero sense and you have no point as it relates to the issues America is facing with this fake ideology being pushed on us. Of all people to argue against flawed biology, you should know better.

In the case of intersex, especially not discovered at birth the youngster should absolutely be able to demand surgical/pharmaceutical intervention. (e.g. presents and feels male but internally has full or partial ovaries or sex glands which can cause breast development at puberty, etc. Should the kid be forced to grow breasts and get treated like a freak by peers?) -1.7% of the population.

In a case like that, I would agree. But that is not what people are upset about and that’s not what the trans movement is about
 

moose eater

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Bearing in mind that Rick Scott was in charge of a hospital that got popped for serious Medicaid fraud.

And Gym Jordan is apparently re-elected in Ohio, where he failed to take a proper stand for the team members who were being molested by the team physician.

'Family values'...

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Hiddenjems

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except that you know you just replied to a strawman statement, even against your own statement a short time ago - so not exactly.
Both comments are consistent with each other.

I don’t want a kid or their parents to decide that cutting off working parts to be replaced with constructed parts that don’t work is a good idea.

If they have a set of two parts they obviously should pick a direction to go after observing the child, and having lots of serious talks.


Otherwise, if you’re 18 and want to pay a dr to cut your dick off and sew it to your forehead, more power to you.
 

ZomVee

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Joel Salatin will be advising Thomas Massie at the FDA in Trump's administration.

Just that alone is ten billion times better than this corrupt corporate machine.


We're Natural Farmers again!

MAGA/MAHA
 

eastcoastjoe

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Family values'..

You ain’t lying

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eastcoastjoe

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Joel Salatin will be advising Thomas Massie at the FDA in Trump's administration.

Just that alone is ten billion times better than this corrupt corporate machine.


We're Natural Farmers again!

MAGA/MAHA

I was very excited when I first heard this. Hopefully something good comes out of this
 

yesum

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I have liked RFK for a long time. He has some ideas that I am not sure of but overall I agree on most of his stuff. Elon had to come around a bit, but he did. Neither answers to the establishment, very important.

It seems Trump is more savvy in picking people to serve with him than before. I would hope so, the last time was pretty bad in that way.
 
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