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2024 US Presidential Election

Who will become next President in U.S. what do you think?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 42 60.0%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 28 40.0%

  • Total voters
    70

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The criminalization of politics to get Trump is endangering everyone’s rights
MugshotsFultonCounty.jpg
Fulton County Sheriff’s Office

The U.S. Constitution is clear: Political speech is protected by the First Amendment.
Also, battles over the acceptance of electors to validate a presidential election are wholly within the political realm and should not be subject to criminal sanctions. Yet our nation is very close to setting a dangerous precedent by criminalizing speech and politics, and one political faction is rushing into this folly headlong.

If the Biden administration is allowed to criminalize speech and politics, we will become a nation where the losers of presidential elections are arrested instead of being sent into retirement with book tours and libraries.
The criminalization of politics is a dangerous game that Democrats used to decry, when they thought the shoe might end up on the other foot. No matter how you feel about former President Donald Trump’s activities after the 2020 election, the reaction of putting Trump in jail for his speech and activities to organize opposition to Congress counting Electoral College votes would degrade our political system and set the precedent that one party can criminalize the political activities of the other.
Notwithstanding all the legal spin you are hearing on a day-to-day basis from talking heads on cable television, it is a fact that the First Amendment to the Constitution vindicates the freedom of political speech. When you hear the talking point that “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater,” know that the media are trying to gaslight you — to make you believe that there are limits to political free speech, when in fact there aren’t.
If government is permitted to redefine the Bill of Rights as something subjective and not containing inalienable rights, then the government can take anyone’s rights away, including yours.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater has nothing to do with political speech. It is also a red herring in the discussion of free speech. The position that this is an exception to the First Amendment was disowned a century ago by the justice who first coined the phrase, and subsequently by a Supreme Court majority.
Yet the left today is using the fire-in-a-theater example as a pretext for criminalizing some political speech, and to make believe that your natural right to express unpopular political beliefs has limits. It does not.

No, you can’t incite a riot. No, you can’t threaten to kill somebody. And you can’t libel another person, either. But these things are not what the First Amendment to the Constitution recognizes as an absolute right.
Freedom of speech, like our other rights, do not derive from government. They are natural, some would say God-given. They pre-date the Constitution. The right not to be jailed for expressing political opinions is a natural right that government cannot take away, recognized but not given to us by the Constitution.
Regarding Trump’s so called “fake electors” scheme and the attempt to manipulate the counting of Electoral College votes in 2021, that was a political exercise that is protected by the Constitution.

I don’t agree with efforts to reject election certificates by Congress, nor do I believe Trump’s contention that the vice president ever had the power to do such a thing. Yet I also recognize that this effort to game the system was a clear case of political and legal maneuvering, not of criminal conspiracy.

If you want to imprison Trump for attempting to disenfranchise voters on these grounds, then you might want to look at Trump critic Rep. Jamie Raskin’s (D-Md.) antics, when he tried to disenfranchise all the Floridians who voted in the 2016 election. Or what about after the 2004 re-election of President George W. Bush, when 31 Democrats voted not to seat the electors from Ohio, based entirely on bogus conspiracy theories about voting machines?
Should Raskin and all those Democratic House members who tried to disenfranchise voters be prosecuted for their attempt to negate the sacred voting rights of American citizens? Their actions were morally wrong and violated their sacred oaths, yet I believe it would be wrong to hold them criminally liable for such engagement in partisan politics.

With regard to the cases against Trump in Georgia and Washington, the courts should simply dismiss the charges. Our constitutional system relies on the good faith of politicians, which is lacking today, to uphold their oaths and take ethical actions that respect the unalienable rights of the people to engage in political speech and politics.
The freedom of political speech is absolute. The idea that politicians can work to seat different slates of electors, or that they can speak or vote against seating electors, is wholly within the realm of politics.
Most agree that disenfranchising voters is wrong, yet the system held against such chicanery on Jan. 6. Biden’s victory was duly recorded. Attempts by Republicans and Democrats to disenfranchise voters over the years have repeatedly failed.

This use of Trump to set a new standard that criminalizes engagement in politics and free speech will endanger every voter’s rights. Let’s hope this effort to criminalize politics fails.

 

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Biden Falsely Claims to Have Convinced Strom Thurmond to Vote for the Civil Rights Act​

President Joe Biden made a false claim on Monday when he said that he “literally” convinced former Dixiecrat Sen. Strom Thurmond (SC) to vote for the Civil Rights Act.


The president made his outlandish claim while speaking on the 60th anniversary of the founding of the civil rights legal group, the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.


“Pause for just a moment. I thought things had changed. I was able to literally, not figuratively, talk Strom Thurmond into voting for the Civil Rights Act before he died, and I thought, ‘Well maybe there’s real progress,’ But hate never dies. It just hides, it hides under the rocks,” he said.


Strom Thurmond, who switched to the Republican Party after years as a Democrat, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 before Joe Biden had entered politics, being that he was just 21 years old at the time. Strom Thurmond also died in 2003, many decades after the passing of civil rights.


Thurmond not only voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he also holds the record for the longest-ever filibuster opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1957.


:yoinks:
 

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So the 1-6 shit show at the Capitol was free speech and numb nuts who revved everybody up and got them to go and tear the place up - that was free speech?

Insurrection fits allot better. Now that his top tough guys are guilty and about to be sentenced to decades in prison, Guess who's next.

Then there was the fake electors who tried to deliver false voting results,,,,, They came up with that idea on their own while the same scam was being executed in several states simultaneously, Nobody called them and told them to do that? And, If they did that was free speech too?

And the phone call to Georgia, with the Orange Ninny himself saying "We just need uhhhhh 11,700 votes". It never occurred to you that conspiring to commit Election Fraud is a felony and the bullshit story of free speech just doesn't cut it.

We just need a little clarity here.
 

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The criminalization of politics to get Trump is endangering everyone’s rights

MugshotsFultonCounty.jpg
Fulton County Sheriff’s Office

The U.S. Constitution is clear: Political speech is protected by the First Amendment.

Also, battles over the acceptance of electors to validate a presidential election are wholly within the political realm and should not be subject to criminal sanctions. Yet our nation is very close to setting a dangerous precedent by criminalizing speech and politics, and one political faction is rushing into this folly headlong.

If the Biden administration is allowed to criminalize speech and politics, we will become a nation where the losers of presidential elections are arrested instead of being sent into retirement with book tours and libraries.

The criminalization of politics is a dangerous game that Democrats used to decry, when they thought the shoe might end up on the other foot. No matter how you feel about former President Donald Trump’s activities after the 2020 election, the reaction of putting Trump in jail for his speech and activities to organize opposition to Congress counting Electoral College votes would degrade our political system and set the precedent that one party can criminalize the political activities of the other.

Notwithstanding all the legal spin you are hearing on a day-to-day basis from talking heads on cable television, it is a fact that the First Amendment to the Constitution vindicates the freedom of political speech. When you hear the talking point that “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater,” know that the media are trying to gaslight you — to make you believe that there are limits to political free speech, when in fact there aren’t.

If government is permitted to redefine the Bill of Rights as something subjective and not containing inalienable rights, then the government can take anyone’s rights away, including yours.

Yelling fire in a crowded theater has nothing to do with political speech. It is also a red herring in the discussion of free speech. The position that this is an exception to the First Amendment was disowned a century ago by the justice who first coined the phrase, and subsequently by a Supreme Court majority.

Yet the left today is using the fire-in-a-theater example as a pretext for criminalizing some political speech, and to make believe that your natural right to express unpopular political beliefs has limits. It does not.

No, you can’t incite a riot. No, you can’t threaten to kill somebody. And you can’t libel another person, either. But these things are not what the First Amendment to the Constitution recognizes as an absolute right.

Freedom of speech, like our other rights, do not derive from government. They are natural, some would say God-given. They pre-date the Constitution. The right not to be jailed for expressing political opinions is a natural right that government cannot take away, recognized but not given to us by the Constitution.

Regarding Trump’s so called “fake electors” scheme and the attempt to manipulate the counting of Electoral College votes in 2021, that was a political exercise that is protected by the Constitution.

I don’t agree with efforts to reject election certificates by Congress, nor do I believe Trump’s contention that the vice president ever had the power to do such a thing. Yet I also recognize that this effort to game the system was a clear case of political and legal maneuvering, not of criminal conspiracy.

If you want to imprison Trump for attempting to disenfranchise voters on these grounds, then you might want to look at Trump critic Rep. Jamie Raskin’s (D-Md.) antics, when he tried to disenfranchise all the Floridians who voted in the 2016 election. Or what about after the 2004 re-election of President George W. Bush, when 31 Democrats voted not to seat the electors from Ohio, based entirely on bogus conspiracy theories about voting machines?

Should Raskin and all those Democratic House members who tried to disenfranchise voters be prosecuted for their attempt to negate the sacred voting rights of American citizens? Their actions were morally wrong and violated their sacred oaths, yet I believe it would be wrong to hold them criminally liable for such engagement in partisan politics.

With regard to the cases against Trump in Georgia and Washington, the courts should simply dismiss the charges. Our constitutional system relies on the good faith of politicians, which is lacking today, to uphold their oaths and take ethical actions that respect the unalienable rights of the people to engage in political speech and politics.

The freedom of political speech is absolute. The idea that politicians can work to seat different slates of electors, or that they can speak or vote against seating electors, is wholly within the realm of politics.

Most agree that disenfranchising voters is wrong, yet the system held against such chicanery on Jan. 6. Biden’s victory was duly recorded. Attempts by Republicans and Democrats to disenfranchise voters over the years have repeatedly failed.

This use of Trump to set a new standard that criminalizes engagement in politics and free speech will endanger every voter’s rights. Let’s hope this effort to criminalize politics fails.


Who's rights are endangered?

the only person that's spent any time in jail connected to these indictments is the black man

he just got out yesterday, if you even noticed
 

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"The More You Indict, The More We Unite!" - Black Social Media Erupts For Trump​

by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Aug 27, 2023 - 08:00 PM
For years, American leftists have yearned for the day they'd see a police mug shot of former President Donald Trump, confident it would decisively terminate his political career.
Thanks to an indictment in Georgia that was clearly conceived and timed for maximum political damage, their wish was granted last week.
However, the spectacle has unfolded in a way that's surely causing a growing sense of horror among Trump's foes: Not only has his booking at one of Atlanta's nastiest jails galvanized typical Trump supporters, it's triggered a surge in support from inside an essential Democratic constituency -- black people.
Considering how Democrats take black support for granted and routinely label Trump a racist and white supremacist, imagine the utter consternation they're feeling as they witness a social media eruption of black sympathy for Trump over an arrest that, for many blacks, parallels the mistreatment they perceive blacks have received in the American criminal justice system.

The first sign of trouble came when people calling themselves "Blacks for Trump" and "Niggas for Trump" posted themselves near the infamous Fulton County Jail on Atlanta's Rice Street.

Blacks for Trump are on fire outside the Fulton County Jail.pic.twitter.com/vRanvDZ8wC
— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) August 24, 2023
Then we saw blacks lining the street to cheer on the former president's motorcade and shouting "Free Trump!"

The mainstream media does not want you to see this. But you must! pic.twitter.com/XalABVZvdu
— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) August 25, 2023
The on-scene displays in Georgia were just a precursor to a social media wave of black Trump 2024 enthusiasm that's still rolling. "Trump is a brother now...I'm sorry, you go to jail in Zone 6 Atlanta, you a brotha," says this man. "Straight up. They f**ked up. Niggas like niggas that went to jail. They believe in that sh*t. We trust that."

🔥🚨 Trump’s arrest is only making him more popular in the black community!!

“Trump is a brother now.”

“They f**ks with people that been to jail.”

MUST WATCH & SHARE!! 🔥👇🏼 pic.twitter.com/LctpGLZzAf
— TONY™️ (@TONYxTWO) August 25, 2023

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 @realDonaldTrump just reached the point where the Hood just like fuck the Government Bring Back Trump so we can feed our families and not take our money to feed other ppl families pic.twitter.com/coHGYocWgW
🇺🇸 🍊 Antoine Tucker (@montaga) August 25, 2023
"Every real nigga got to go to jail at least one time," says this man, who also warns that Democrats have "f**ked up" and will now face vengeance from a future President Trump. "You think he aint gonna spin the block?"

Like many Americans of all colors, some of this man's motivation to vote for Trump springs from his entertainment value:

THE NIGGAS FOR TRUMP MOVEMENT HAS BEGUN BABY!

🙌🏾 THANK YOU JOE BIDEN, WHAT A BIG WIN FOR TRUMP.#FJB #blackout #Blacks4Trump pic.twitter.com/IFLbsJuWdm
— Omarr Shabazz (@OmarrShabazz) August 26, 2023
"If you can't openly see that this is an attempt to make someone have to spend a bunch of money and fight cases while they run for presidency...you're just not being an objective human," says @mark_in_georgia:

I feel that .. well it was farmers for Trump, blacks for Trump Hispanics for Trump now it's the folks that have been unjustly indicted and falsely accused for Trump. That includes there mothers fathers .and these people have are going to vote pic.twitter.com/nnd09gERjh
— @Gene Mitchell (@redrum_132) August 25, 2023
"Man, they deep-in-the-hood GANGSTAS hollering bout Trump 2024!" notes this enthusiastic black Trumper.

“The more you indict, the more we UNITE”

“Gangstas- the HOOD’s got this man’s back. It’s Trump 2024!” #WalkAway pic.twitter.com/7E3Re85q1w
— Brandon Straka (@BrandonStraka) August 26, 2023
In this set of man-in-the-street interviews, black men say Trump was better for their wallets. "Trump wanted us to get off our ass and get some money," says one man. "He put America first," says another:

This emotive gent in a convenience store hits a recurring theme: Anger about "bitch ass nigga" Biden relentlessly funneling billions of dollars into the Ukraine war as conditions in American cities deteriorate.

The genre is dominated by men, but here's an exception: a woman who longs for the days of Trump's Covid-era money handouts, specifically name-checking the "PPP boys" -- a reference to the much-abused Paycheck Protection Program.

pic.twitter.com/KzmGFtV6kU
— 𝕔hi𝓁𝓁iຖ໐iˢ (@chiIIum) August 25, 2023
Clutch Williams highlights Democrat hypocrisy, saying, "These other presidents be sayin' good stuff to you, but doing bad stuff to you. Trump might be sayin some bad stuff, but he was doing some good stuff. Check the record!"

🔥🚨BREAKING: Comedian ‘Clutch Williams’ just released a video supporting President Trump and goes as far to say that Donald Trump was one of the best Presidents we had in a long time. It appears that every lie is being revealed before our eyes. pic.twitter.com/zNSLbT6LGM
— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) August 26, 2023
....and this man says many in his audience voted against Trump but have had a change of heart. "At some point, many of y'all have changed your mind and you now support Trump but you doin' it on the sneak. Come on, y'all, let's own up to it so we can all support his man together."

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!🔥🔥🔥 LET'S GO!!! pic.twitter.com/WIcgv3sEgq
— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) August 26, 2023
None of this is to say Trump will win the votes of a majority of blacks...but all it takes is a dent for the unintended consequences of Democrats' political prosecutions to turn the booking of Donald Trump from Democrat dream to Democrat nightmare.
 

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The criminalization of politics to get Trump is endangering everyone’s rights

MugshotsFultonCounty.jpg
Fulton County Sheriff’s Office

The U.S. Constitution is clear: Political speech is protected by the First Amendment.

Also, battles over the acceptance of electors to validate a presidential election are wholly within the political realm and should not be subject to criminal sanctions. Yet our nation is very close to setting a dangerous precedent by criminalizing speech and politics, and one political faction is rushing into this folly headlong.

If the Biden administration is allowed to criminalize speech and politics, we will become a nation where the losers of presidential elections are arrested instead of being sent into retirement with book tours and libraries.

The criminalization of politics is a dangerous game that Democrats used to decry, when they thought the shoe might end up on the other foot. No matter how you feel about former President Donald Trump’s activities after the 2020 election, the reaction of putting Trump in jail for his speech and activities to organize opposition to Congress counting Electoral College votes would degrade our political system and set the precedent that one party can criminalize the political activities of the other.

Notwithstanding all the legal spin you are hearing on a day-to-day basis from talking heads on cable television, it is a fact that the First Amendment to the Constitution vindicates the freedom of political speech. When you hear the talking point that “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater,” know that the media are trying to gaslight you — to make you believe that there are limits to political free speech, when in fact there aren’t.

If government is permitted to redefine the Bill of Rights as something subjective and not containing inalienable rights, then the government can take anyone’s rights away, including yours.

Yelling fire in a crowded theater has nothing to do with political speech. It is also a red herring in the discussion of free speech. The position that this is an exception to the First Amendment was disowned a century ago by the justice who first coined the phrase, and subsequently by a Supreme Court majority.

Yet the left today is using the fire-in-a-theater example as a pretext for criminalizing some political speech, and to make believe that your natural right to express unpopular political beliefs has limits. It does not.

No, you can’t incite a riot. No, you can’t threaten to kill somebody. And you can’t libel another person, either. But these things are not what the First Amendment to the Constitution recognizes as an absolute right.

Freedom of speech, like our other rights, do not derive from government. They are natural, some would say God-given. They pre-date the Constitution. The right not to be jailed for expressing political opinions is a natural right that government cannot take away, recognized but not given to us by the Constitution.

Regarding Trump’s so called “fake electors” scheme and the attempt to manipulate the counting of Electoral College votes in 2021, that was a political exercise that is protected by the Constitution.

I don’t agree with efforts to reject election certificates by Congress, nor do I believe Trump’s contention that the vice president ever had the power to do such a thing. Yet I also recognize that this effort to game the system was a clear case of political and legal maneuvering, not of criminal conspiracy.

If you want to imprison Trump for attempting to disenfranchise voters on these grounds, then you might want to look at Trump critic Rep. Jamie Raskin’s (D-Md.) antics, when he tried to disenfranchise all the Floridians who voted in the 2016 election. Or what about after the 2004 re-election of President George W. Bush, when 31 Democrats voted not to seat the electors from Ohio, based entirely on bogus conspiracy theories about voting machines?

Should Raskin and all those Democratic House members who tried to disenfranchise voters be prosecuted for their attempt to negate the sacred voting rights of American citizens? Their actions were morally wrong and violated their sacred oaths, yet I believe it would be wrong to hold them criminally liable for such engagement in partisan politics.

With regard to the cases against Trump in Georgia and Washington, the courts should simply dismiss the charges. Our constitutional system relies on the good faith of politicians, which is lacking today, to uphold their oaths and take ethical actions that respect the unalienable rights of the people to engage in political speech and politics.

The freedom of political speech is absolute. The idea that politicians can work to seat different slates of electors, or that they can speak or vote against seating electors, is wholly within the realm of politics.

Most agree that disenfranchising voters is wrong, yet the system held against such chicanery on Jan. 6. Biden’s victory was duly recorded. Attempts by Republicans and Democrats to disenfranchise voters over the years have repeatedly failed.

This use of Trump to set a new standard that criminalizes engagement in politics and free speech will endanger every voter’s rights. Let’s hope this effort to criminalize politics fails.

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GOT_BUD?

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I guess an old clip of Janine Pirro (?) is making the rounds from 2016 where she claims that because Hillary Clinton is under investigation for her emails she shouldn't be allowed to run for President. That anyone under investigation should be barred from running for public office, the whole 9 yards.

"The More You Indict, The More We Unite!" - Black Social Media Erupts For Trump​

by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Aug 27, 2023 - 08:00 PM
For years, American leftists have yearned for the day they'd see a police mug shot of former President Donald Trump, confident it would decisively terminate his political career.
Thanks to an indictment in Georgia that was clearly conceived and timed for maximum political damage, their wish was granted last week.
However, the spectacle has unfolded in a way that's surely causing a growing sense of horror among Trump's foes: Not only has his booking at one of Atlanta's nastiest jails galvanized typical Trump supporters, it's triggered a surge in support from inside an essential Democratic constituency -- black people.
Considering how Democrats take black support for granted and routinely label Trump a racist and white supremacist, imagine the utter consternation they're feeling as they witness a social media eruption of black sympathy for Trump over an arrest that, for many blacks, parallels the mistreatment they perceive blacks have received in the American criminal justice system.

The first sign of trouble came when people calling themselves "Blacks for Trump" and "Niggas for Trump" posted themselves near the infamous Fulton County Jail on Atlanta's Rice Street.


Then we saw blacks lining the street to cheer on the former president's motorcade and shouting "Free Trump!"


The on-scene displays in Georgia were just a precursor to a social media wave of black Trump 2024 enthusiasm that's still rolling. "Trump is a brother now...I'm sorry, you go to jail in Zone 6 Atlanta, you a brotha," says this man. "Straight up. They f**ked up. Niggas like niggas that went to jail. They believe in that sh*t. We trust that."




"Every real nigga got to go to jail at least one time," says this man, who also warns that Democrats have "f**ked up" and will now face vengeance from a future President Trump. "You think he aint gonna spin the block?"


Like many Americans of all colors, some of this man's motivation to vote for Trump springs from his entertainment value:


"If you can't openly see that this is an attempt to make someone have to spend a bunch of money and fight cases while they run for presidency...you're just not being an objective human
," says @mark_in_georgia:


"Man, they deep-in-the-hood GANGSTAS hollering bout Trump 2024!" notes this enthusiastic black Trumper.


In this set of man-in-the-street interviews, black men say Trump was better for their wallets. "Trump wanted us to get off our ass and get some money," says one man. "He put America first," says another:


This emotive gent in a convenience store hits a recurring theme: Anger about "bitch ass nigga" Biden relentlessly funneling billions of dollars into the Ukraine war as conditions in American cities deteriorate.


The genre is dominated by men, but here's an exception: a woman who longs for the days of Trump's Covid-era money handouts, specifically name-checking the "PPP boys" -- a reference to the much-abused Paycheck Protection Program.


Clutch Williams highlights Democrat hypocrisy, saying, "These other presidents be sayin' good stuff to you, but doing bad stuff to you. Trump might be sayin some bad stuff, but he was doing some good stuff. Check the record!"


....and this man says many in his audience voted against Trump but have had a change of heart. "At some point, many of y'all have changed your mind and you now support Trump but you doin' it on the sneak. Come on, y'all, let's own up to it so we can all support his man together."


None of this is to say Trump will win the votes of a majority of blacks...but all it takes is a dent for the unintended consequences of Democrats' political prosecutions to turn the booking of Donald Trump from Democrat dream to Democrat nightmare.
Well that's highly offensive to compare MLK to that fuckwitted jackass. Not to mention fucking hilarious.

How much do they pay you to spread this shit? Because if you're not getting paid you're the mark.
 

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Look at that. More of that Biden winning.

 

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