2015 Yogurt Cup Grow Contest

[exploziv]

Note to anyone using pure coco. Coco weighs less then water. The first cup I made, I followed the instructions and added water till I got 250 ml's. Once I filled the cup with pure coco I reweighed it and found it was only 170g's. The rules clearly state you can use a cup that can be filled with 250g's of medium, so I was losing 80g's of root spacing. Which I think is quite a lot if you break it down percentage wise, 30% more root space.

The rules clearly state the 250 gr weighting method is just to determine the maximum volume of the cup. There's nothing about having 250 gr of medium, IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING LESS THAN 250 ML VOLUME. This was meant as a rule to make sure everyone can play, even if their containers are not marked in ounces.
It's kinda odd that you managed to read that in the rules, and also be so sure of it, cause they are clear and easy to understand.

 

[Anchorite]

^^Stoner moment? lol

Here's my Tikals, so far so good...

While planting the smaller one I broke the end of the tap root since it was curled and kinda tricky to handle. Doh!

I have a seeded Maple leaf Indica, and about 40 days into flowering I broke a bottom branch off. I decided to see if any would sprout and stuck them in a paper towel. Out of around 15 seeds I got 3 to pop.

Maple Leaf Indica (Sensi Seeds)



So I've got three Tikal by Ace and three Maple Leaf Indica by Sensi. Any males will be removed from the contest.

 

[Growbow]

Here we are.

Here my 4 Thai entries who will grow under 100w Cdm.
When not all come out from the earth, i replace with some unknown seeds.
Today the first look out from the earth.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=302262&stc=1&d=1422447002

 

[stihgnobevoli]

so just to be clear the only real rules are 6oz cup and roots have to be contained in said cup? so i could lets say make a hempy yogurt cup and sit it in a 5 gallon bucket for water?

 

[exploziv]

Avinash.miles should give you the best response on that, but i think it will stun the plant if you have to cut the roots too often..

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Oh boy am I feeling YOGHURT tonight !!!

 

[bugman52]

so just to be clear the only real rules are 6oz cup and roots have to be contained in said cup? so i could lets say make a hempy yogurt cup and sit it in a 5 gallon bucket for water?

yep as long as the roots remain in the 6 oz cup.

 

[bugman52]

i started 2 seedlings a few days ago pic soon.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Note to anyone using pure coco. Coco weighs less then water. The first cup I made, I followed the instructions and added water till I got 250 ml's. Once I filled the cup with pure coco I reweighed it and found it was only 170g's. The rules clearly state you can use a cup that can be filled with 250g's of medium, so I was losing 80g's of root spacing. Which I think is quite a lot if you break it down percentage wise, 30% more root space.

and this

The rules clearly state the 250 gr weighting method is just to determine the maximum volume of the cup. There's nothing about having 250 gr of medium, IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING LESS THAN 250 ML VOLUME. This was meant as a rule to make sure everyone can play, even if their containers are not marked in ounces.
It's kinda odd that you managed to read that in the rules, and also be so sure of it, cause they are clear and easy to understand.

and

so just to be clear the only real rules are 6oz cup and roots have to be contained in said cup? so i could lets say make a hempy yogurt cup and sit it in a 5 gallon bucket for water?

and this

Avinash.miles should give you the best response on that, but i think it will stun the plant if you have to cut the roots too often..

but most importantly, THIS:

yep as long as the roots remain in the 6 oz cup.

Dr. King you are confusing mass with volume

like explosiv said, 250 mL is just to test the true volume of your "6oz" containers. TRUE volume because 6oz is just the "serving size" not an accurate portrayal of how much volume the container actually can hold. The purpose of the tests are to ensure that different brands (different types of containers) all with 6oz (or whatever in metric) serving sizes are still within the regulations.
For example, yoplait says 6 oz serving size BUT it actually holds LESS than 250 mL, by my tests.

Water has a mass of 1 g per mL of volume. YES, coco, peat & perlite, rockwool and nearly all grow mediums are MUCH less dense than water.

as for stihgnobevoli's idea, i URGE yall to do it and post pics if you believe your idea is within the rules or NOT (just share along if you want in whatever tiny container you have, smaller or larger; this is for FUN and LEARNING imho). These yogi cup challenges are about sharing our collective experiences, as we grow together (simultaneously) in tiny containers, watching how other techniques performed in relation to our own and all the others. In the past I remember a someone making a hempy style yogi cup(s) before, as well as sewing their own tiny smart pot and sitting it INSIDE the yogi cup just to follow the rules; I love the faiselle idea that Only Ornamental does. I've been waiting to see a yogi cup PPK or the like.
So yes, do it, try it, let's see it.

I never think of this contest as "mine" it's OURS, so when people ask "can i do _______", I expect the entire community to respond; why?, because I'm not the boss of the competition. The rules should be clear enough to not need an interpreter. If they are not clear enough, I apologize.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

Why would one need to water their Yogurt cups during lights out? As long as one waters if needed before lights out, you'd be fine. Right?

i guess anything we think about all comes down to trial and error once you get down to doing it. right? maybe you don't need to water at night, but i most definitely do.

i would have agreed with you 3 rounds ago but a ran into the wall of my own misconceptions and was forced to change my mind

if it aint broke i don't fix it, but when it is i do

don't EVER let that yogurt dry out and you will be happy you did!

good luck!

 

[Mitsuharu]

RULES

250 milliliters maximum volume is the official size limit.

So here for all 250g Joghi Contestants, exactly 250ml of water filled in the 250g Cup...
...so how should i handle this with soil to be 'in the rules'?

 

[Only Ornamental]

Cut the brim or take a smaller cup .

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Depending on [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]UK oz[/FONT] or US oz, 6 'generic' oz may be 170.5 ml or 177.4 ml, respectively. This makes[/FONT] the 250 ml total volume for a 6 ounce cup really generous!
Last yogi challenge I participated, I used 150 g cups . If I can do that (notably with seed hemp!) so can you!

 

[Avinash.miles]

Cut the brim or take a smaller cup .

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Depending on [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]UK oz[/FONT] or US oz, 6 'generic' oz may be 170.5 ml or 177.4 ml, respectively. This makes[/FONT] the 250 ml total volume for a 6 ounce cup really generous!
Last yogi challenge I participated, I used 150 g cups . If I can do that (notably with seed hemp!) so can you!

thanks for that clarification OO,
and the advice "cut the brim off or use a smaller cup" is perfect.

 

[Mitsuharu]

... anyway i don't fill my cup with soil to the brim and i got very low light conditions so i think this will be ok.

If I can do that ... so can you!

NO!
I just bought two new cups just for the battle...

 

[exploziv]

well, to be fair play you need to cut the brim off. most of us don't fill the cup to the top.. but the rules are clear and need to be followed.

 

[Dr.King]

The rules clearly state the 250 gr weighting method is just to determine the maximum volume of the cup. There's nothing about having 250 gr of medium, IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING LESS THAN 250 ML VOLUME. This was meant as a rule to make sure everyone can play, even if their containers are not marked in ounces.
It's kinda odd that you managed to read that in the rules, and also be so sure of it, cause they are clear and easy to understand.

Sorry if I seem confused about this. This is my first time doing the Yogurt cup contest but my question was very valid. How about explaining to me why I am wrong instead of coming at me like that. Surprising to see that coming from someone such as yourself( ChatMod, Supporter and Moderator). I was just saying the facts. The Rules read "250 milliliters maximum volume is the official size limit". The rules also say to use water as a judgement, so I did. Coco weighs less therefor I can use a bigger container because coco weighs less than water. My question is, what am I "misreading or not understanding" as you so nicely put it.

Dr. King you are confusing mass with volume

like explosiv said, 250 mL is just to test the true volume of your "6oz" containers. TRUE volume because 6oz is just the "serving size" not an accurate portrayal of how much volume the container actually can hold. The purpose of the tests are to ensure that different brands (different types of containers) all with 6oz (or whatever in metric) serving sizes are still within the regulations.
For example, yoplait says 6 oz serving size BUT it actually holds LESS than 250 mL, by my tests.

Water has a mass of 1 g per mL of volume. YES, coco, peat & perlite, rockwool and nearly all grow mediums are MUCH less dense than water.

as for stihgnobevoli's idea, i URGE yall to do it and post pics if you believe your idea is within the rules or NOT (just share along if you want in whatever tiny container you have, smaller or larger; this is for FUN and LEARNING imho). These yogi cup challenges are about sharing our collective experiences, as we grow together (simultaneously) in tiny containers, watching how other techniques performed in relation to our own and all the others. In the past I remember a someone making a hempy style yogi cup(s) before, as well as sewing their own tiny smart pot and sitting it INSIDE the yogi cup just to follow the rules; I love the faiselle idea that Only Ornamental does. I've been waiting to see a yogi cup PPK or the like.
So yes, do it, try it, let's see it.

I never think of this contest as "mine" it's OURS, so when people ask "can i do _______", I expect the entire community to respond; why?, because I'm not the boss of the competition. The rules should be clear enough to not need an interpreter. If they are not clear enough, I apologize.

Let's be clear, I hope no one is getting upset about this. We are all doing this for fun and the love of it. No need to apologize man. I was just trying to either state a point or put into debate the weigh of coco and how it didn't meet the maximum requirements of the rules. If coco weighs less than water I am clearly not breaking the rules as I see it.

i guess anything we think about all comes down to trial and error once you get down to doing it. right? maybe you don't need to water at night, but i most definitely do.

i would have agreed with you 3 rounds ago but a ran into the wall of my own misconceptions and was forced to change my mind

if it aint broke i don't fix it, but when it is i do

don't EVER let that yogurt dry out and you will be happy you did!

good luck!

Thanks man. I know you've done quite a few of these which is why I ask for advise . Later in flowering they will need nighttime watering then? If so that's not a problem. Just would love all the help so it can benefit not just me, everyone.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Let's be clear, I hope no one is getting upset about this. We are all doing this for fun and the love of it. No need to apologize man. I was just trying to either state a point or put into debate the weigh of coco and how it didn't meet the maximum requirements of the rules. If coco weighs less than water I am clearly not breaking the rules as I see it.

no worries bud. i come off harsh sometimes, but am all love.

still tho;
you are confusing weight (or mass more accurately) with volume, my friend.
the weight (and mass) of coco (or peat any grow media) has nothing to do with the maximum VOLUME of containers allowed in this case

the weight of WATER is relevant because of it's 1ml = 1g relationship... therefore water can be used to TEST the volume of your container using the mass of water as a comparison.

Only Ornamental hit the nail on the head before

 

[Only Ornamental]

...The Rules read "250 milliliters maximum volume is the official size limit". The rules also say to use water as a judgement, so I did. Coco weighs less therefor I can use a bigger container because coco weighs less than water. My question is, what am I "misreading or not understanding" as you so nicely put it.
...
We are all doing this for fun and the love of it.
...

Just some stupid thoughts to rub some more salt in the fresh wound :
- If you would take 250 grams coco and then go find a fitting yoghurt cup-like container: You wouldn't be allowed to water your plant as this would push the weight over the limit. Another stupid thing would be that the plant roots themselves will add an indeterminable weight too and you'd be forced to reduce the cup's size with increasing plant growth.
- If I grew in aeroponics, would use a small hose to pump mist into the cup, and letting the water run off through a hole in the bottom, then the 'filling' being mostly air and some millilitres of water would weigh close to nothing and hence I could use a super sized one months extended family yoghurt barrel for my likely tree-sized plant .

Because of that, we go by volume (250 ml = 250 square centimetres) and not by some funky weight. Besides, humans being humans even if (and I hope so from the bottom of my heart) we grow for fun and love, we idiotic animals need some basic rules like the 11. Commandment 'Thou shall not use yoghurt cups bigger than 250 ml'. If you need to have an exception, you may use a kumis, kefir, or curd cup.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

Later in flowering they will need nighttime watering then? .

last round i had to start night watering before i went into flower. i think it all depends on how hard you push the plants or simply said how big they are = what they need. i know a plants metabolism changes when the lights go off but i don't think it completely shuts down. while it might not be doing a whole lot with nutrients in the dark it's got to have water all the time

lose the prime on the pump at any time ( it's oversimplified but a plant is just a beautifully complicated pump in it's own way) and it is gonna be close to impossible to get it working again

the margin for error gets smaller as the plant get bigger IME

BTW you're not the first or only one to be confused by the volume vs mass issue. listen to what explosive and avi and doubleO are saying
, they're doing it to get things straight not start an argument

 

[Dr.King]

no worries bud. i come off harsh sometimes, but am all love.

still tho;
you are confusing weight (or mass more accurately) with volume, my friend.
the weight (and mass) of coco (or peat any grow media) has nothing to do with the maximum VOLUME of containers allowed in this case

the weight of WATER is relevant because of it's 1ml = 1g relationship... therefore water can be used to TEST the volume of your container using the mass of water as a comparison.

Only Ornamental hit the nail on the head before

No worries man. Things just need to be more clear. So what you guys are really saying is that your yogurt container can only be measured in milliliters by using only water weight and nothing else? If that's the case, the other posted were correct.

Just some stupid thoughts to rub some more salt in the fresh wound :
- If you would take 250 grams coco and then go find a fitting yoghurt cup-like container: You wouldn't be allowed to water your plant as this would push the weight over the limit. Another stupid thing would be that the plant roots themselves will add an indeterminable weight too and you'd be forced to reduce the cup's size with increasing plant growth.
- If I grew in aeroponics, would use a small hose to pump mist into the cup, and letting the water run off through a hole in the bottom, then the 'filling' being mostly air and some millilitres of water would weigh close to nothing and hence I could use a super sized one months extended family yoghurt barrel for my likely tree-sized plant .

Because of that, we go by volume (250 ml = 250 square centimetres) and not by some funky weight. Besides, humans being humans even if (and I hope so from the bottom of my heart) we grow for fun and love, we idiotic animals need some basic rules like the 11. Commandment 'Thou shall not use yoghurt cups bigger than 250 ml'. If you need to have an exception, you may use a kumis, kefir, or curd cup.

This confused me even more lol. You are saying once you water and during growth at no time can your plant weigh more than 250g's. Which isn't the case. No worries man.

last round i had to start night watering before i went into flower. i think it all depends on how hard you push the plants or simply said how big they are = what they need. i know a plants metabolism changes when the lights go off but i don't think it completely shuts down. while it might not be doing a whole lot with nutrients in the dark it's got to have water all the time

lose the prime on the pump at any time ( it's oversimplified but a plant is just a beautifully complicated pump in it's own way) and it is gonna be close to impossible to get it working again

the margin for error gets smaller as the plant get bigger IME

BTW you're not the first or only one to be confused by the volume vs mass issue. listen to what explosive and avi and doubleO are saying
, they're doing it to get things straight not start an argument

Thanks man. I will make sure to keep check during late veg and flowering when the lights are off.