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elevation!!!
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
Let's hurry up and vote for anything then!!
Quick... before ze Germans get here!!!
LOL, happy hashy sunday morning to everyone.
215 is standing strong. Harborside San Jose, open again. That's a good sign.
True, I was surprised to see the unwillingness to admit that 19 was crap. It was either for or against, who cares about the details. lol because 19 lost and I can't be blamed as I took a neutral position until recently. I'm sure glad we aren't breaking any new laws about smoking in our homes around our families.
post edit: don't mind vvvvvvvvv, my #1 fanboy.
This is spot on... I'll give you med-use, and de-criminilaztion, but not legalization. I care about money, and hope it stays illegal also, at least until I get my student loans paid off. Furthermore, Id hazard a guess and say that anyone who says they are not in it for the money is full of B.S.
I'll give you med-use, and de-criminilaztion, but not legalization.
Alot of folks who think that legalization at the federal level is going to lead to some kind of national herbal panacea are seriously misguided.
I see several things happening, none of them are good.
One of the first things that will happen is that the tobacco companies who already have the infra-structure in place to grow and distribute massive amounts of marijuana will flood the market with low quality marijuana, driving prices so low that it will be pointless for anyone to try and grow anything except stuff for personal use.
Than the likes of Monsanto will start flooding the market with their genetically engineered, sterile seeds...
It won't be like wine or micro-brewerys either, where you have small, locally based manufacturers selling a superior product to the local community. Im betting there will still be many regulations and taxes in place both at the federal and state level making it through legal or financial mean to establish any kind of establishment where you can grow and supply higher grade cannabis to the local community.
No, let's EDUCATE--
Let me explain the difference between a "Bill", and a "Voter Initiative" (Prop) It is very simple, and short!!
A Prop is voted on by The People...a Bill is a Legislative act--
A Bill, such as Senate Bill 420...can add to, but cannot limit nor go against the "Purpose and Intent" of a Prop, such as Prop 215--
That is why Plant Limits were shot down--
There you go...paranoia unfounded--
The "YES" voters on Prop 19 warned everybody that this would happen. Several members (including myself) said that a "No" to Prop 19 would be viewed as a "no" to medical... and now we're seeing the results.
This is what it always comes down to... me me me. Fuck everyone else.... so lets justify my selfishness with totally obscure and ridiuclous claims to let me feel like less of a greedy piece of shit because I know that im too ignorant and unexperienced to apply my trades in a free market place.
Dude, show me someone who says its ultimately not about money and I will show you a hypocrite. Everyone has to make a living, and Im betting that when Phillip Morris jumps into this game and drives prices way down people like you will be the first in line crying.
I know people who preach to me that its not about money, its about the herb and other bullshit yet are the ones that try and get the best deal they can and than flip it at a price to get the most profit.
I think otherwise. They have the space, both indoor and outdoor to put out a product that is better than the mexi stuff, but certainly will not be as good as primo nugs, and they also have the infrastructure already in place to advertise and market their product.
Do you really think everyone is so ignorant to believe your ludacris scenario in which phillip morris is going to turn out dirt weed and all of a sudden everyone is going to quit caring about quality and just smoke mass produced low quality commercial weed?
Mexico supplies hundreds of thousands of pounds of marijuana every year and that hasn't seemed to make a difference in the price per pound here in california. So your far fetched idea that they would produce so much low quality marijuana that it would plummet prices is beyond idiotic. If anything it would create a bigger demand for connoisseur grade cannabis.
I know that regardless of what happends, I can adapt. I have the experience, the capital and the ingenuity to succeed. Even if I didn't, I would still vote to legalize because I know far too many friends and family that have had their life destroyed over something as harmless as cannabis. I too have seen the consequences of the prohibition of marijuana.
All the anti's that seem to be against it seem to share similar qualities, mostly being young and having never faced the consequences of marijuana prohibition. You turn out a few pounds and all of a sudden your ready to throw anybody under the bus. Well people like me and KMK are turning out far more then what you are and we are still willing to risk our livlihood for the improvement of our industry and society as a whole.
While were at it, why would you believe that Phillip Morris would even bother with marijuana. They pull in over 100 billion dollars annually in cigarette sales, why would they want to produce a product that is harder to produce and doesn't have half the amount of users that tobacco does?
Hell, even if they did I would support them 100%. Cigarettes kill over 500k people every year and they are still legal. If we could get that kind of lobbying power behind marijuana we would never have to worry about another user facing the inside of a jail cell for weed.
No, let's EDUCATE--
Let me explain the difference between a "Bill", and a "Voter Initiative" (Prop) It is very simple, and short!!
A Prop is voted on by The People...a Bill is a Legislative act--
A Bill, such as Senate Bill 420...can add to, but cannot limit nor go against the "Purpose and Intent" of a Prop, such as Prop 215--
That is why Plant Limits were shot down--
There you go...paranoia unfounded--
Bullshit.
Here it is... even simpler...
A prop that is voted in by the people that within states the legislators and governor may do as they please... REGARDLESS OF PEOPLES' VOTES AFTER THE PASSING OF THE PROP is total and unadulterated BULLSHIT.... but it was in the wording of 19.
Paranoia substantiated.
Education... more like masturbation...
If they aren't they aren't paying attention.
That's what happens when you lie trying to tell the truth.
The two issues aren't related anymore than on the one hand many do lie and find support... and on the other hand those trying to tell the truth and do not find support are similar.
It's voters and money following lies or truth and lies....
That and the DEA looking for income.
Until we can mesh back together where we were when we were effective, they will just pick us all off one by one.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
Agreed. My local co-op is facing hard times as whole foods has moved in. The food at the co-op is local and bio-dynamic ect. The food at the whole foods is organic (according to that system) and from elsewhere. The products are hardly the same in many regards, local & bio-dynamic beating USDA organic all day. But the co-op has a hard time competing with sales of the large chain.
Shwag is a hard comparison to dirt cheap mid-grade commercial pot grown in CA. We can start with the crap shwag genetics, and crap chemical/toxins they use... then we can go to the crap trim/dry/cure. It's a different product. I would support this mid-grade commercial pot for the nation. For CA, it's not so great. We do need hemp in CA. And we need recreational possession, consumption, and small personal growing in CA.
Good job stacking chips. I think at this point in CA lives will no longer be ruined in CA over possession.
I agree with your points.. and share in your concerns.. as do many more.
I don't think there are too many of us that don't want it legalized sans BS.
There are many more who want it legalized with or without the BS and that is why I speak up.
I don't think there are too many of us that don't want it legalized sans BS.
There are many more who want it legalized with or without the BS and that is why I speak up.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
I as well. But folks seem to not comprehend our rather simple position. I guess we are in fact
COMMERCIAL CA 'DRUG FORM' MARIJUANA PROHIBITIONISTS. (ominous music playing)
California:
1) commercial pot farms: no thank you. we have plenty of illegal ones already.
2) recreational use for adults: yes (but we differ over the issue of "freeing" folks already convicted).
3) commercial hemp: yes, and this needs to be tackled separately.
4) personal grow: yes, of course. (but we differ over the issue of "freeing" folks already convicted).
Nation:
1/2/3/4: yes, of course.
Point 3 is most poignant imo... because Point 1 has already made me an outcast.
Most of what I've read people writing says that small business can compete with large corporations and they even have the nerve to state we can witness it in the US today.
They tell you not to worry about Phillip Morris... though there is more than enough reason.
They tell you not to worry about Monsanto... though there is empirical evidence showing why we should.
Then they say that all together whilst pointing and shouting names.
These days remind me of days gone by... before Phillip Morris and Monsanto stomped all over our freedom.
Good luck in the future.
Low men are probably about to nab me in my sleep... just like those who uttered "solar power" back when oil was king disappeared. I hope we end up on the same island.
Follow the normal people over the edge.
So tie me to a post and block my ears
I can see widows and orphans through my tears
I know my call despite my faults
And despite my growing fears
But I will hold on hope
And I won't let you choke
On the noose around your neck
Most of what I've read people writing says that small business can compete with large corporations and they even have the nerve to state we can witness it in the US today.
They tell you not to worry about Phillip Morris... though there is more than enough reason.
They tell you not to worry about Monsanto... though there is empirical evidence showing why we should.
Then they say that all together whilst pointing and shouting names.
These days remind me of days gone by... before Phillip Morris and Monsanto stomped all over our freedom.
Good luck in the future.
Low men are probably about to nab me in my sleep... just like those who uttered "solar power" back when oil was king disappeared. I hope we end up on the same island.
Follow the normal people over the edge.
So tie me to a post and block my ears
I can see widows and orphans through my tears
I know my call despite my faults
And despite my growing fears
But I will hold on hope
And I won't let you choke
On the noose around your neck
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
man, i'm a mmm fan. Outcast among our culture may not be the worst thing... lots of folks in our world with understandable "been burnt already, don't care how we get there" attitudes.
And I'm sitting here with great credit, chips, and a clean record. Different perspectives due to different life experience is only natural. That is why these issues need to be approached one by one. We, and CA, will have a hard time agreeing on future legislation as encompassing as 19.
Current as of June 8th, 2005.
Saw one number putting it at over 200k in 2009.
Used Oregon as a proxy.
Think it is probably higher, though.
Colorado is about 100k.
