20/4's Perpetual Multi-Strain Grow

[highroller614]

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Yeah that haze is a champ, im glad i didnt put in a 2-3 gallon bag, i would have been in trouble! And its not too late to seed her, shes just starting trich production, id like to use an auto that will make her flowering faster... maybe s60? Who knows... And sgs did an amazing job with PB...major props

I say transplant that thing to a 5 or 10 gallon pot and watch how much bigger it gets. my s60 were giving me 4 to 5 oz's per plant in 5 gallon pots. i lost my camera earlier this year, so i don't have pics to back my claims. Step your pot size up so u can maximize your yields.

 

[20/4]

I say transplant that thing to a 5 or 10 gallon pot and watch how much bigger it gets. my s60 were giving me 4 to 5 oz's per plant in 5 gallon pots. i lost my camera earlier this year, so i don't have pics to back my claims. Step your pot size up so u can maximize your yields.

mmmm I dobut you were growing in 3 sq feet...a 5 gallon pot would take ove my whole cab... and i would have severly regretted putting that dieselryderXghaze in a 5 gallon.... the breeder said outdoor he has seen the auto ghaze reach heights of 4 feet... So im glad i kept it in the 1 gallon pot.. Im already fighting to keep light on it (150watt hps) because of its size relative to my cab size... Im currently working on designing my own pots or finding some pots i can by that are skinny and very tall so i maximize my space...

 

[Zygote]

20/4, could you bend the monstrously lower so the canopy is it the same level..?

I would think about removing some of the sucker braches that are getting no light.

It is in a one-gallon pot, a plant that size needs be in a 3 or 5 gal pot. The roots are so restricted that flower production will be retarded.

Zy

 

[20/4]

20/4, could you bend the monstrously lower so the canopy is it the same level..?

I would think about removing some of the sucker braches that are getting no light.

It is in a one-gallon pot, a plant that size needs be in a 3 or 5 gal pot. The roots are so restricted that flower production will be retarded.

Zy

I have bent it over, and it is pretty much close to same canopy level as the rest... Im sure being in such a small pot isnt helping matters, it needs watered every single day also... The buds are super super loose, but there are hardly any trichs, this is leading me to believe it just needs more time...(my light cycle im using is 20/4, phree recommended i drop it to 18/6) im not really sure... I wasnt ever told this strain needed to be in 3 gallon pots or even 5 gallons, thats just too big for my cab.. Now the single cola version was SUPER potent and was PERFECT in my cab and for a 1 gallon pot... Any idea how much longer this beast is going to take? Its 100 days old today...

 

[Zygote]

I have bent it over, and it is pretty much close to same canopy level as the rest... Im sure being in such a small pot isnt helping matters, it needs watered every single day also... The buds are super super loose, but there are hardly any trichs, this is leading me to believe it just needs more time...(my light cycle im using is 20/4, phree recommended i drop it to 18/6) im not really sure... I wasnt ever told this strain needed to be in 3 gallon pots or even 5 gallons, thats just too big for my cab.. Now the single cola version was SUPER potent and was PERFECT in my cab and for a 1 gallon pot... Any idea how much longer this beast is going to take? Its 100 days old today...

phree is right, I would lower the light cycle to 15/9, because out side they would never get more than 15hr max. If you hade grown it at 15/9 it would have finished by now.
At 20/4 it took to long to start to flower. My guess; is at lest 50 more days.



I was referring too “any plant that size” not to the strain.

Forewarning STA can get big 2.5 tall and 1.5ft wide.

 

[20/4]

phree is right, I would lower the light cycle to 15/9, because out side they would never get more than 15hr max. If you hade grown it at 15/9 it would have finished by now.
At 20/4 it took to long to start to flower. My guess; is at lest 50 more days.



I was referring too “any plant that size” not to the strain.

Forewarning STA can get big 2.5 tall and 1.5ft wide.

I Think i am gonna take your guys advice and drop the light cycle...im not sure how much i will lengthen the dark period...probably to 18/6...see if it speeds up at all, if it doesnt i may drop it a bit more... I didnt really expect this thing to get so big and take so long, i thought it would top out at like 2 feet in the 1 gallon pot, but i was wayyyy wrong... It takes nutes like a champ...

50 days is a long time, but if it produces 1-2 ozs of good smoke, ill be very very happy

 

[ganjasuiteseat]

I Think i am gonna take your guys advice and drop the light cycle...im not sure how much i will lengthen the dark period...probably to 18/6...see if it speeds up at all, if it doesnt i may drop it a bit more... I didnt really expect this thing to get so big and take so long, i thought it would top out at like 2 feet in the 1 gallon pot, but i was wayyyy wrong... It takes nutes like a champ...

50 days is a long time, but if it produces 1-2 ozs of good smoke, ill be very very happy

spoken like a real smoker.stay up

 

[SGS]

All the signs are there bro that it is not going to be anything like the Single Cola pheno, It could end up very hempy or not, just throwing that out there bro. Is it worth the wait to loose that much space compared to cutting your loses and starting a new? Just look for the signs, and do what you think is right.

putting the light cycle on 18/6 might not even effect the Ghaze to speed up flowering if that is what you are after, but it could make your new seedlings stretch more then you want them to.

SGS

 

[highroller614]

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mmmm I dobut you were growing in 3 sq feet...a 5 gallon pot would take ove my whole cab... and i would have severly regretted putting that dieselryderXghaze in a 5 gallon.... the breeder said outdoor he has seen the auto ghaze reach heights of 4 feet... So im glad i kept it in the 1 gallon pot.. Im already fighting to keep light on it (150watt hps) because of its size relative to my cab size... Im currently working on designing my own pots or finding some pots i can by that are skinny and very tall so i maximize my space...

I never took your cab space in consideration. my 10 S60's were done under a 1000 hps and 2 400 watt mh. We used a spare room. Homemade co2. Anyway all the phenos were 65-85 days. Not 1 plant looked the same. had them on a 24 hr light cycle like breeder suggested. After doing the math on the electric. I can get twice the yield on 12/12 strains by doubling the lighting while paying the the same amount on electric. no more auto's indoors for me. my next auto grow will be outside. i did a journal last june on my diesel ryder. i got 85 grams dry off 1 plant. Some of these non- smoking growers called me a liar. I feel like if you smoke like once a week, i don't want your smoke report. they could roll some oregeno and catch a buzz. my bad for the ramble SOG would be great for your cab space. I like the skinny pot idea i bet the cola would get bigger.

 

[20/4]

I never took your cab space in consideration. my 10 S60's were done under a 1000 hps and 2 400 watt mh. We used a spare room. Homemade co2. Anyway all the phenos were 65-85 days. Not 1 plant looked the same. had them on a 24 hr light cycle like breeder suggested. After doing the math on the electric. I can get twice the yield on 12/12 strains by doubling the lighting while paying the the same amount on electric. no more auto's indoors for me. my next auto grow will be outside. i did a journal last june on my diesel ryder. i got 85 grams dry off 1 plant. Some of these non- smoking growers called me a liar. I feel like if you smoke like once a week, i don't want your smoke report. they could roll some oregeno and catch a buzz. my bad for the ramble SOG would be great for your cab space. I like the skinny pot idea i bet the cola would get bigger.

Yeah i see the benefits of both autos and 12/12 strains, ive never tried to argue one over the other, both are unique and fun to grow! How long ago did you do this grow? I actually liked having lots of different phenos because all were large yielding,tasted amazing, and potency was top notch. I deff know autos love extra root depth MORE than almost anything besides water and light.. I started my sour60 in .5 gallons and then stacked those pots on top of 1 gallons, so i only used like 1.5 gallons of soil per plant the pots were like 20inches tall..., but i was able to pull around 20 gs a plant with my 150watt hps...and the biggest 3 s60s were over 30 inches...

 

[20/4]

Word update...

Word update...

I dropped the light cycle down a bit... to 18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness... Ive done so to speed up the flowering the dieselryderXGhaze, it seems that ive got a pheno that is usually suppose to be otudoors. So it will finish in 100 days outdoors, so under 20 hours of constant light isnt exactly its thing...I cant seem to just kill it and move on, its too beautiful...its single cola counterpart however finished in 65 days from seed under 20 hours of light and was probably the most potent auto ive grown... Ive got around 20-30 of these seeds left, with these im gonna try to weed out the long outdoor phenos and get and stabilized to an auto that takes 70 days from seed had has moderate branching...

Here is the age of everything in my cab....
DieselryderXG13haze - 100 days
Cheesey's NYLD unstunted - 70 days, will be harvested very very soon...
PINKBUD - 32 days old... plan on pollinating them soon with some secret pollen....
Short Term Amnesia And Blue Streak - 9 days

Lots going on... Also ive pretty much made my decision, ive spent hours and hours searching different forums/websites and gathered das much info as i can on UFO leds.. Ive realized MAJORITY of them have a very bad rep and cant grow weed worth shit example: Cheap Chinese made UFOS from ebay. Ive decided the next addition to my cab will be the gen3 ufo led from HTGSUPPLY(used them for almost all my supplies), ive contacted htg supply about their led and asked many of scrutinizing questions,one of them was who manufactures their leds, because i didnt wanna end up with the same Chinese POS others have wasted money on. Come to find out they ARE the manufactures of the leds and they are very proud of there ufo led VS the competition... The guy told me the UFO will cover a 3' circle with GOOD penetration... the light will only need to cover about 1.5 sq feet in my cab, so what i plan on doing is having mature flowering plants under the hps and smaller vegging plants under the LED... Ive heard straight LED grows arent very good as standalones well thats why im more confident with my mixed HID and LED lighting... Not sure how soon i will be ordering the UFO, ill keep everyone updated...

 

[highroller614]

Yeah i see the benefits of both autos and 12/12 strains, ive never tried to argue one over the other, both are unique and fun to grow! How long ago did you do this grow? I actually liked having lots of different phenos because all were large yielding,tasted amazing, and potency was top notch. I deff know autos love extra root depth MORE than almost anything besides water and light.. I started my sour60 in .5 gallons and then stacked those pots on top of 1 gallons, so i only used like 1.5 gallons of soil per plant the pots were like 20inches tall..., but i was able to pull around 20 gs a plant with my 150watt hps...and the biggest 3 s60s were over 30 inches...

How many plants did you get under that 150 hps? I learned a lot from my grow and harvested last plant mid november. Only had 1 pheno that tasted like hay so not a bad effort. I liked my indoor but it couldn't stand up to my outdoor. my indoor adventures are just getting started and only going to get better. i also plan on bringing in outside air to keep the air fresh. I don't believe i have ever seen anyone on these forums doing it, not sure though. I bet that helps. Waiting on beans now. Sensi star, white russian, tangerine dream, and violator kush. this run im going to upgrade lighting to 4 1000 watt hps to flower. i also plan on running 24 5 gallon buckets. i hoping for 100 ozs. I plan on starting autos inside and when they show sex outside they go. i will have a perpetual harvest outside again this year. It will be nice to be smoking fresh outdoor by june 1st. My next investment is a good camera. I plan on backing up my talk with proof.

 

[20/4]

How many plants did you get under that 150 hps? I learned a lot from my grow and harvested last plant mid november. Only had 1 pheno that tasted like hay so not a bad effort. I liked my indoor but it couldn't stand up to my outdoor. my indoor adventures are just getting started and only going to get better. i also plan on bringing in outside air to keep the air fresh. I don't believe i have ever seen anyone on these forums doing it, not sure though. I bet that helps. Waiting on beans now. Sensi star, white russian, tangerine dream, and violator kush. this run im going to upgrade lighting to 4 1000 watt hps to flower. i also plan on running 24 5 gallon buckets. i hoping for 100 ozs. I plan on starting autos inside and when they show sex outside they go. i will have a perpetual harvest outside again this year. It will be nice to be smoking fresh outdoor by june 1st. My next investment is a good camera. I plan on backing up my talk with proof.

I actually stuff alot of plants under the 150, thats why im adding a light very soon... During that time though i had the 5 sour 60 and probably like 7 other autos around 15-20 days old... i was very happy with this grow, so happy im gonna start more sour60! Sounds like a mighty setup, cant wait til you get that camera

 

[phreedom_man]

20/4
When I created the Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder, I created 2 lines. One was fully auto and the other was mostly auto. I do not remember which you have. It most have been the mostly line. It was a novelty cross. I never planned on doing anything with it. Not sure why I even did it. But I know that Auto Ghaze is extremely potent. The high last 4 hours! Diesel Ryder taste fantastic and smells fantastic. Maybe that was why I did it, just freebies.

Like I said Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder was a novelty cross. I agree with you it needs work. But I really do not plan on growing it. I have more other strains than I need.
I do know for a fact, that the Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder could be a fantastic auto strain.
Like you said= "was probably the most potent auto ive grown... “
The genetics are there, if you want to work it. But I have to many other projects I want to focus on.

I really need to focus on my= Auto Double C99, Auto Double Biddy Early, Auto Double 8Weeker, Auto Double NYCD, Auto White Matansuka Thunder Fuck Rhino, Auto Mighty Matansuka Thunder Fuck Freisland, 8Weeker, etc...

Also Auto Ghaze makes some tight nugs, Some phenos take scissors to brake apart. It is more G-13 dominant in the flower structure and more Haze dominant in the leaf structure.

You have a Ghaze dominant pheno. Zygote and I bred Auto Ghaze to be big and yield more for outdoors.
A 12" auto does not survive outside, it gets consumed by native vegetation. Outside here by late May the native weeds are four feet tall. They choke everything out. The Auto Ghaze will flower outside regardless of day light. But the days do not get 20 hours of light.

We have several lines of the Auto Ghaze. Some lines finish just like any other auto.(60-70 days) Some take a little longer, but never have any gone 100 days. Like I said they do not get 20 hours of light outside.

You have 2 choices- leave it alone at your current light cycle and see what happens. Or drop your light cycle and it will finish faster. I doubt 18/6 like you said will make much difference. If you drop the light cycle, I think 14 hours on, would do it.

Thousands of people grow autos outdoors all over the planet, under normal day length and they perform wonderfully.
Have been doing it for several years, personally.

If that monster Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder was grown under 14 hours on and 10 off, like natural sun.
Planted outside April 1-15
That thing would have out yielded 10-12 regular autos!
And would have finished in 75-85 days. (mid - late June = while the days are getting longer)

I personally do not know of ANY strain that will do that!
And zygote and I have been growing and breeding for over 20 years.

20/4
You are doing a fantastic job! Really enjoy your honesty.
Keep up the good work.

 

[vicious bee]

Love this grow thread 24/0. Don't give up on the big Ghaze. I think the longer Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder is perfect for outdoor. I'm surprised you don't wish to follow it further. I guess you already have something better. I have some of these growing now from zygote at 24/0. Two are regular 60 day females. I have maybe three that are longer and not flowering yet. I think one may be male. Not sure though. I have one early flowering male that is very small and slightly later flowering than a normal auto male. I have maybe two others that were planted later that are dragging bad due to cold temps. Hard to tell what they'll do. It may be that the male is small due to colder temps also. I'm going to have to make a decision on pollinating two of them soon. Maybe tomorrow. Since I don't have any longer flowering male pollen to pollinate the quicker ones yet I guess it will be a combination of the faster Ghaze, Sour60, Short Term Amnesia and maybe auto Hindu Kush.

 

[20/4]

20/4
When I created the Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder, I created 2 lines. One was fully auto and the other was mostly auto. I do not remember which you have. It most have been the mostly line. It was a novelty cross. I never planned on doing anything with it. Not sure why I even did it. But I know that Auto Ghaze is extremely potent. The high last 4 hours! Diesel Ryder taste fantastic and smells fantastic. Maybe that was why I did it, just freebies.

Like I said Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder was a novelty cross. I agree with you it needs work. But I really do not plan on growing it. I have more other strains than I need.
I do know for a fact, that the Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder could be a fantastic auto strain.
Like you said= "was probably the most potent auto ive grown... “
The genetics are there, if you want to work it. But I have to many other projects I want to focus on.

I really need to focus on my= Auto Double C99, Auto Double Biddy Early, Auto Double 8Weeker, Auto Double NYCD, Auto White Matansuka Thunder Fuck Rhino, Auto Mighty Matansuka Thunder Fuck Freisland, 8Weeker, etc...

Also Auto Ghaze makes some tight nugs, Some phenos take scissors to brake apart. It is more G-13 dominant in the flower structure and more Haze dominant in the leaf structure.

You have a Ghaze dominant pheno. Zygote and I bred Auto Ghaze to be big and yield more for outdoors.
A 12" auto does not survive outside, it gets consumed by native vegetation. Outside here by late May the native weeds are four feet tall. They choke everything out. The Auto Ghaze will flower outside regardless of day light. But the days do not get 20 hours of light.

We have several lines of the Auto Ghaze. Some lines finish just like any other auto.(60-70 days) Some take a little longer, but never have any gone 100 days. Like I said they do not get 20 hours of light outside.

You have 2 choices- leave it alone at your current light cycle and see what happens. Or drop your light cycle and it will finish faster. I doubt 18/6 like you said will make much difference. If you drop the light cycle, I think 14 hours on, would do it.

Thousands of people grow autos outdoors all over the planet, under normal day length and they perform wonderfully.
Have been doing it for several years, personally.

If that monster Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder was grown under 14 hours on and 10 off, like natural sun.
Planted outside April 1-15
That thing would have out yielded 10-12 regular autos!
And would have finished in 75-85 days. (mid - late June = while the days are getting longer)

I personally do not know of ANY strain that will do that!
And zygote and I have been growing and breeding for over 20 years.

20/4
You are doing a fantastic job! Really enjoy your honesty.
Keep up the good work.

Thankyou very much for providing all this info!!! I plan on keeping the dieselryderXGhaze around for sometime, and soon hopefully i would like to get it stablized... like you said , the dieselryderXghaze is one of the most potent autos out right now, and ive smoked to and agree, so im deff going to keep it around and one day carry out the deed of perfecting it!

Thanks for your kind words most of all, its fun giving everyone something to enjoy, thats why i love growing so much!

Love this grow thread 24/0. Don't give up on the big Ghaze. I think the longer Auto Ghaze X Diesel Ryder is perfect for outdoor. I'm surprised you don't wish to follow it further. I guess you already have something better. I have some of these growing now from zygote at 24/0. Two are regular 60 day females. I have maybe three that are longer and not flowering yet. I think one may be male. Not sure though. I have one early flowering male that is very small and slightly later flowering than a normal auto male. I have maybe two others that were planted later that are dragging bad due to cold temps. Hard to tell what they'll do. It may be that the male is small due to colder temps also. I'm going to have to make a decision on pollinating two of them soon. Maybe tomorrow. Since I don't have any longer flowering male pollen to pollinate the quicker ones yet I guess it will be a combination of the faster Ghaze, Sour60, Short Term Amnesia and maybe auto Hindu Kush.

The only reason i choose not to take the outdoor version along further is simply because i do not have plans to do autos outdoors currently, i would like to find a mix between the two phenos i got, an auto around 2-3 feet with lots of branching, with a flowering time no longer than 80 days... This is my goal, and im going to accomplish it one day i hope... I need to start planning a breeding project...even if i do it on a small scale in solo cups, i could get alot accomplished!

 

[20/4]

Unstunted NYLD Harvest

Unstunted NYLD Harvest

So it was day 71 for the NYLD, its actually the longest ive let an auto go, usually i harvest around day 65 no later than 70... i like an uplifting effect.

Anyways here she is, the ruler in the picture is 15 inches, so that puts this girl at around 22 inches tall! I know her bottom half is a little weak this is due to the SOG in my cab and the bottom of this girl was shaded by the monster dieselryderXGhaze.. But shes still a beauty! Her smell is actually better than any of the rest ive harvested... Very very lemony... I suspect her dry weight will be around 15-20 grams

Thanks cheesey the cheesehead for these, they were very fun, and im enjoying their smoke as we speak... Ill have a smoke report for everyone on this plant in about 5 or so days...

Any questions comments or concerns feel free to post!

 

[hesreally420]

can u post more dry pics of that nyld

 

[ganjasuiteseat]

 

[StealthDragon]

those buds look delicious! I wish I had room for some of cheesey's genetics

I got those gdp/s60 seeds popping bro..about half are cracked and in coco so far. I also threw one of my sour 60's under my 1k hps on 12/12 just to compare to the others which will be under 24 hrs of 400w cmh. Just curious to see how it compares