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2.5x1.8 meter coco scrog, 3 strain bingo!!

Scrogerman

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Tokes Screen underneath would of looked something like this Buddy!
Hope you dont mind the pic Toke!



Gotta do it like this or your really asking for trouble, it really is part of Scroggin! Thats a little More than 1/3rd but just under half of the plant that the branches & all the foliage thats been removed! Toke knows all that bro!

Oh and another point is a plant can only yield to its full potential under a given light output & even a flat Scrog, when done right will achieve that, thats prolly why you dont see many B.O.G's anymore. Used to see them back when OG was Up! suppose things were more experimental then too!
Yeah talking of BigBud, Heath Robinson run Critical Mass (BigBud) shanti's undated version i believe & thats prolly why his yields are over 2gpw regularly, its a great cashcropper for sure. used to love the old BB still do, always will!

Good Luck........Scrogs!
 

iSMOKE.KUSH

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it's all about the genetics bro. shitty genetics=shitty yields or shitty bud.

everything looked good to me. i think it's just genetics. could be nutrients.
 

Scrogerman

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He's running the same grapefruit or Arma's in another tent grow, thats scroged & yielding sound/well/(same Cuts), theres more than just genetics on this one Kush or so Toke & i think. This is his 3rd or 4th run with the giant Scrog with different gene's & yields. genetics always plays apart but like we said earlier in the thread, there is something else a miss on this one, you'll have to read the whole thread through & maybe the last show too to understand. he fully understands that genetics play an important role bro, would be unwise to think otherwise!
Armageddon is known to be a very decent yielder, im personally not so sure of the GF. Tokes been thinking theres a problem with his water source for ages now, & he has played aroung with RO, 50/50 mixes RO&Tap & various other variations i believe, as he's there doing it he can see this as a possible detrimental, compared to other growing buddies who live close by! im sure you get the drift! Could be old lead pipes or something similar, there are large sections of the UK where this is still an ongoing concern & alot of water companys have re-enstated them for newer materials, im not saying it is that, its just a possibility, but maybe not!
 

iSMOKE.KUSH

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i also said it may be nutrients. i can't take the time to check to see exactly what he uses. it sucks and it's baffling. and i mean no offense really but 2 pounds off of that scrog is .68 gpw. that really isn't too bad especially since he is using 400s. replace those with 3 1000 watters and watch how much more dense and large those buds get. i used 400s for a little while and they just don't get it done like 1000 watters do.

he said he was using 2 400s and a 600 right?
 

redspaghetti

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Yeah scroger man, thats why i suggest him to do walls of weed because he has some amazing skills with training plants, i dont want such talent to get wasted :)


When i look at that big Ole screen i know its a ton of work, but just something here IMO, i've been growing for while outdoor and just started in door recently, i read one of the thread of here about defoliation ( it goes against everything i know/learned about growing weed ) but when i start trying it out i could see the increase in resins and mass, maybe he could try it here with his scrogs work.

I saw lots and lots of leaves on that screens, now if we can replaces those leaves with actual bud sites, im sure his yield will be much much more.

I say you try the same thing again TOKE and this time take all the fan leaves off, i think we can do this because we're doing indoor, i love love your thread and your grow, i learn so much from it.

cheers,
red.

p.s toke dont be mad at me, im not trying to show you how to grow or teach , im actually learning from you, im just trying to give you ideas so you can have better and better harvest m8!
 

Tokesome

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Hey guys, fist of all, nobody has offended me here, dont mind suggestions, though to be honest I`ve been there with most at least in my head.

Ismoke, I`m using 600w lights, so the figures are substantially worse than you thought, the 400 is only used in my friends grow tent.

Hey Red, good to see you here and I hope you`ll hang around and see what happens with this next lot, chip in whenever you feel like it. I`m not looking to do a V or box scrog, in fact its back to basics with a conventional grow.

Hey Scrog, thanks man. Yeah I`m not sure about the water issue as the Grapefruit produced 4.25oz per plant, and one of those was a bit of a runt. I`d say that`s good going especially during peak temps we were having. As I said the Arma`s in the tent only produced 8 this time instead of 13, I reckon they dont like the extreme temps, either that or genetics going bad. I hope the former as I`m going to have to go with 10 more this grow along with the 5 Grapefruit I have.

I`ve opted to go with Canna again this time, 50/50 RO water, unless I can find a fool proof way of adding the right amount of Cal and Mg without the extra N provided in Calmag/x. Rhizotonic through early veg and transplanting stages. I`m going to transplant an extra time going from 7inch pots, that they`re in after the first transplant from beer cups, to 7ltr pots before final transplant into 12/14ltr pots. With the scrog I have to go straight from 7inch to the 12/14ltr pots, missing out the 7ltr stage, as its impossible to transplant once training into the screen has commenced.I hope to have the final transplant done by beginning or end of first week of 12/12.

My 5 Grapefruit that were originally for mother selection as I said got very leggy, so today I took 10 cuttings from the best 2 producers and hacked the plants back to around 4 inches tall. I cant see this having any detrimental affect, just a bit overboard in the pinching out, like pinching the upper 2 `n half feet off!

I`m going to re-use my coco this time, gonna get a fine sieve tmro and separate the root mass from the coco. I`m hoping to reclaim half of it, dunno if that`s realistic, I`ll then mix this half and half with fresh coco.

The 15 arma`s and the 5 GF`s are looking happy, though I noticed the bottom of the pots were very wet, partly due to the pots sitting directly on the nft trays restricting drainage. I`ve now raised them all 3 inches off the tray with sections of drainpipe, this should sort it.

The Arma`s in my friend`s tent are suffering a bit, interveinal yellowing and a couple of them look a little wisen and runty. My mate said the roots were not up to much on these two. The yellowing seems to have righted itself, hence no MG foliar feed. I think maybe they dried out a bit too much at some point.


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one of the two bad ones

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They`ve just been transplanted and going under the screen, two tents running to the same timing this time, a second auto feed loop will be added to the existing one.

I dunno why they`ve suffered, but I expect I`ll get a bit of mg looking def in mine, I`ve got the epsom salts at the ready for a foliar feed if the need arises. I`d like to understand why I tend to get a bit or a lot os mg def/locked out plants, this may have a big bearing on dialing them in properly.

Here are my lot, 15 Arma`s, from which I`ll select the best 10, and the 5 very gangly GF`s, before I hacked them down.

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Look how the GF`s have stretched like crazy.

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I`ve hacked them right back down to size and hopefully they`ll behave ok now they`re getting better light and more air.

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The now giant Arma mother stands in the background beyond this grows upstarts

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Now for a few bud shots, one thing that has consoled me over the terrible yield is the quality of the smoke, its curing nicely and will improve some yet, the Grapefruit is amongst the best stone I`ve ever grown, its truly gorgeous. I took pics of each strain, first the Armageddon, this is without doubt the strongest of the three, but not my favourite, fucking great, but the GF overshaddows it for me.

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Then the ultra amazing Grapefruit, this is going to be the main keeper after this grow, though I`m hearing good things about a strain called Hog that a mate is growing, I may get some cuts from it. Anyway I digress

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And finally what is supposed to be Big Bud, though I`m absolutely certain it isn`t. It has a young sweet taste and smells like a sweet shop, hints of bubblegum/dark fruit soft drinks. Its harsh to smoke but to be fair took the longest to dry and has cured the least. I like to cure my percy very slowly, putting them in tupperwares when still a bit damp, but not enough to threaten mold, then tend them carefully for a week or two letting the moisture out of the boxes and turning the stems. Its certainly strong weed, as you`d expect from buds so richly coated in trichs.

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I`m very busy at the mo turning the room around before a well earned holiday. The screen is dismantled, I`ve started taking the roots out of the coco I`m going to re-use, cleaning out the nft tanks and trays. I hope to have all the plants selected by the weekend and transplanted to 7ltr pots by Monday at the latest.

Just over two weeks later I`ll transplant to 12/14 ltr pots and switch to 12/12s. Just hope there are no lockout/def issues whilst I`m away.

Here is the roots of one of the last crop

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Here you can see the wick is still inserted into the bottom, oops, can I say that?

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Onwards and upwards, Toke:)
 

~Shhh~

JETS
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Man I dunno what to say about the yield not matching your expectations bro, it sucks when shit like that happens.... On a brighter note those buds looks great. That's very similar to the grapefruit I had man, and it as you said is some killer herb.

So your gonna go back to a normal set up.... you should get some nice branchy plants by cutting those grapefruits back. How long will u veg this lot for?
 

Tokesome

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Man I dunno what to say about the yield not matching your expectations bro, it sucks when shit like that happens.... On a brighter note those buds looks great. That's very similar to the grapefruit I had man, and it as you said is some killer herb.

So your gonna go back to a normal set up.... you should get some nice branchy plants by cutting those grapefruits back. How long will u veg this lot for?

Well man, yeah its been very disappointing yield wise, and yes thankfully its top drawer smokes. I am a real fan of the Grapefruit fo sho, if I`d have been running 15 GF`s, the last grow would have come in somewhere around 60oz, so I`m really hoping the Arma`s do better, it shouldn`t be so hot for them during mid to late flower, Sept/early October, so fingers crossed.

Yeah I have big hopes for the Grapefruit mate.

Another option may be to lose a couple of weeks waiting for the new GF cuts to come through, but I`ll probably get on with things now they`re on their way.

I`m not sure how long I`ll veg em, I usually just turn em when they look right, but I`m away for over two weeks whilst a friend looks after them so I`m not sure what to do. I`ll probably just set an average height for him to switch em to 12/12, probably 18inches. I usually prefer to grow short stocky plants, more light penetration for the lower branches, but that`s not gonna happen with the Grapefruit, being leggy plants. I imagine they`ll be switched during my last week on hols, if not, definitely on my return.

One question I have guys, how late is it still cool to do the final transplant into the 12/14ltr pots, a week into flowering ok?

Cheers Toke:)
 

Tokesome

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As I go through my root balls as I reclaim my coco, I`m noticing big variations in root mass. Obviously the Big Bud(??) had very slight roots, but also some of the Arma`s have much lesser root mass than others, could this be the root of my problem, doh, what a crap pun. Needless to say that the GF`s roots were strong and healthy looking.

I`m wondering if the extra transplant stage might do them some good in this respect, but what else can I do to ensure that the roots are at their best?

I`m using Rhizotonic for vegging along with Canna A+B @ec0.9 ph6.0. I haven`t yet, but intend on using Cannazym too. I`d like to use Atazym, but the guy in the shop said that after tests were done on various zym products, including Atazym and some other very expensive products, it was found that Cannazym was the only product that actually had any zym content at all, meaning all the rest are bullshitting. I cant actually believe that, surely it cant be true? He`s bigging up Canna all the time and doesn`t have much to say about anything that isn`t Canna. I bought the Cannazym, just one litre, but I`ll need more throughout the grow and wondering what to go with. Atazym is so much cheaper, but I mustn`t let that be the main concern. Any notions on this guys?

I`d have thought that Rhizo and zym product should be a ticket to good strong root systems, but is there anything else that`ll help my plants develop strong healthy roots. I`ve heard of products like root excellerator etc., but I dont know anything about them, but some of you guys that like trying different products out might be able to enhance my knowledge. I`ve always assumed that other root products would be similar in principle to Rhizotonic, is that so.

I`ve not been using Superthrive of late, I ought to get some, I`ve always sworn by it, but just though I`d ask you guys your opinions.:tiphat:

Back to the grind, actually reclaiming the coco isn`t as much of a pain in the ass as I thought it was going to be.

Cheers, Toke:)
 

iSMOKE.KUSH

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i don't use any zymes. great white myco. yeah if it would have all been GFs you'd be looking at a much much better yield. i'd wait and sort things out genetics wise before i started another grow..fuck it though. are you using co2? if not what kind of air exchange system? what are temps?
 

Tokesome

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i don't use any zymes. great white myco. yeah if it would have all been GFs you'd be looking at a much much better yield. i'd wait and sort things out genetics wise before i started another grow..fuck it though. are you using co2? if not what kind of air exchange system? what are temps?

Well temps got a bit stupid during the recent hot spell high 97/8f at times during the last 3 weeks of flower, would expect this to have an affect, but again the Grapefruit did ok.

I`m wondering if I`ve been feeding too frequently for the Arma`s and suffocating them a bit. I cant understand genetics falling off that quickly, unless I`m contributing to it in a significant way at some stage of the process. One grow ago in the 1.2m2 growtent they produced 13oz from 4 plants under a single 400w HPS, the next grow, which was significantly warmer (timing coincided with mine) only produced 8. That`d be some sudden fuck up genetics wise.

I`ve got a feeling that the mg def/lockout has a bearing on things, which may be related to my tap water, but again the Grapefruit were un affected.

My air exchange is good, 8inch 930lts per hour RKV, 1000ltr rated can filter, fucking huge. I have 8 fans circulating in the room too.

I`m going to have to go with what I`ve got, but if the roots dont look up to much at the final transplant, and I have the other GF cuts rooted up, I might just hack the existing 5 GF`s back to a few inches and set off again with all GF`s.

Going away for a couple of weeks isn`t going to help things, but shit, do I need a holiday.

Cheers, Toke.:)

Ps. the zym product will I imagine be needed to deal with the fine roots in the reclaimed coco, hence questioning it mate.
 

~Shhh~

JETS
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Sup Toke, do you always recycle your coco? If so do you always use Cannazyme? Also do you flush with Cannazyme?

Hey iSMOKEKUSH, that great white myco sounds like a very nice product with the Trich and vits also added.... I used some myco (rootgrow) on my current grow, I await the root inspection to see the results. Thing with myco I read (after applying to my plants, lol) that a very small amount of P (chem or 'organic') can kill or severely hinder the micro-herd. There is a very good thread with many links here on the subject. I think 'lazyman' has a link to it in his signature... Called something like why mycorrhizae is probably not worth using or the something like that.

Trichoderma is supposedly added to Canna's coco which I think Toke is using. These fungi are said to be more hardy to chem nutes. I always try to inoculate young clones roots by dipping them in a trichoderma/ Rhizotonic mix prior to planting.

As iSMOKEKUSH suggests toke, if you already have the rhizo, n zyme then a root beneficial root fungus would be the next option. I must say that when using Trichoderma as a root dip I usually get nice results from it. There are a multitude of these beneficials available from the hydro store but are far cheaper @ garden center/ online gardening stores.

Strange that the roots of some plants were less developed than others, is there any chance that these less developed ones stayed wetter than the others? Maybe from the wicks? Less roots would definitely explain less fruit. What do you think could be the cause of this could be?

I used root excelurator on my current crop, its said to be a humic tea of sorts from what I've read... It def does what it says on the tin & works out far cheaper than Rhizotonic @ the 0.3ml per L dilution ratio vs Rhizo's 2-4ml per L, is it better though I couldn't say. Would have to run a side by side for that... On cost and the fact I see no significant diff between the 2 products, I go for root excelurator.

EDIT> you posted while I was still typing :) I see you note that the arma's with less roots could have remained wetter than the others...
 

Tokesome

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Hey Shhh, thanks for your thoughts and for provoking mine.

Just to clear one thing up, the wicks assist drainage, they`re not hanging into solution, they just hang dry and help to leach the bottom soggy area of excess nutrients, it cant have a negative affest in relation to wet pots.

It may be down to uneven feed lines on the auto feed systems, but I doubt it. I hope its not genetics, I did notice that the cuttings I took for the current Armageddon starten yellowing when only half had rooted, I put them into beer cups and fed them low strength nutrientd and they all rooted up ok. The Arma`s have never looked like they have amazing roots when originally rooting up, but they didn`t when they produced 13oz in the 400w 1.2m2 tent scrog.

I`ve got to go to the shop/garden centre tmro, I`ll get some trichoderma type product, I`ve used it before, but as you said, I thought Canna coco Pro was pretty much loaded up with it already. Its not something I`ve used since doing hydro back in the day.

I`ve still got a feeling that the mg lockout/deficiency symptoms that always seem to occur during mainly veg, and a little into flower. I`m not certain about this but it may be a symptom or a cause of what`s happened here. Only happened on certain plants, the BB`s and a small number of Arma`s, the GF`s stayed free of it. The Cheese strain I ran with before suffered really badly with it. Changing to RO, well 50/50 ro/tap helped loads but still get hints of it. Could be strain/genetics, but 3 strains in a row? I know many people say they have to supplement the Mg once or twice during this stages, so may be nothing more than that. To be honest though I dread the sight of it showing on my plants. I expect to see some on the Arma`s, hopefully not too bad whilst I`m away on hols, tho my mate will be left with instructions to foliar feed 1 teaspoon epsom salts per liter, seemed to sort things out last time, I`ll have them sprayed at the first merest sign of it.

Its difficult to get a feed regime that suits a plant with a poor root system, too wet or having to dry out too much, a balance cant be achieved with crap roots. So a good emphasis is going to be on this area. If the Arma`s haven`t established a good root system by the time I`m back from hols, I`m thinking of ditching them and spreading the 5 Grapefruit out under the three lights, maybe four towards the end if temps allow, lights, and grow some really big bushes trimmed at the bottoms and trained into shape, I reckon given the space and light these plants could do very well, probably a lot better than the Arma`s if they dont produce worthwhile root systems. I hope the Arma`s build their roots up though, but I will ditch any that dont, the better ones may as well have the space.

The idea for doing the five in space, under loads of light and in bigger, maybe 25 ltr, pots/containers came from a gro I remember on OG, I cant remember the guy`s name on there, but he was in Oz where he was legally allowed to grow one plant, his grow was called "filling my room", I think, and he grew one monster of a plant with three 1k lights hung all around it. I cant remember all the details, but he did a great job. I imagine it`d have been one of the always growing long term sativas though.

I`ve put my feelers out for a few Hog cuttings too, as I know they`re producing big time for a few people around here, but I`ll be extremely lucky to get them within a month, never mind in time for this grow. Still it sounds like she`s worth getting.

Cheers Toke:)
 

Tokesome

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Forgot to say Shhh, no I`ve never re-used coco before, the roots have separated really well from all pots, well I`ve nearly done them all!! Back breaking work!

I used cannazym during late flower but not during flush. The coco looks good and there is no decaying nasty stuff at all, it was flushed with straight ph`d RO water for 10-14 days.

I`ll use Cannazym or something similar from the off when I transplant using the reclaimed coco, along with a trichoderma product of some description.

Toke ;-)
 

Scrogerman

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Wow mate interesting stuff. Im gonna have to go back n read through that lot again, i been a busy bee the last 2 days, hence why you guys aint seen much of me.
One thing though, i use Cannazyme myself, its a lovely clean product like all Canna range, thats one of the many good things i can say about their stuff, its clean as fuck & smells clean/sterile too, you just know, as soon as you put your nose to it its good stuff.
In my 70litre DWC Tote-Res when i use Cannazyme i notice i get a 50-60% reduction in root mass, obviously its doing its job. when i dont use the stuff i fill that 70ltr Res with roots(2 plants), & i mean they are very nearly flowing out of the top of the Tote. This root Mass causes massive Back pressure on my Pump & restricts oxygen flow from my airstones. I see No increase in yield either with or without the Cannazyme, maybe 1/2 oz give or take, but the benefits of using the zymes compared to not far outweigh. I get much better O2 flow & because their are less roots pushing down/ enveloping my airstones, my pump runs cooler too. I'd rather use the stuff than not. Im not sure if these points are relevent but i thought it was worth a mention as i see no yield increase with or without it!.
Have you heard of 'Regen-a-Root' Toke, a couple of my buddies use it & they grow Coco, they swear by the stuff & they get really full root balls using it.
Root Excelarator Vs Rhizotonic, well ive heard a few comparisons & theres not much in it from what i can gather, me, id go with the R'E but i just aint had the extra cash, even though it works out cheaper in the long run, its dearer by the bottle to buy!
Alg-a-Mic is another product that i hear good things about with Coco,
Foliar & Root fed. HazyLady sent me her feed schedual, she has halved her cannaA+B intake & sub'ed it for the Alg-a-Mic & says she's never had healthier greener plants. I can forward her schedual to you to have a peep at if ya want man.
See these are the reasons i aint bit the bullet & had a go at Coco yet, i see loads of people getting Mg def & the like, it totally puts me off using it yet. Once ive sussed it out though im switching to Coco too, just dont feel confident enough with it yet, but im looking forward to having a go & finally using this stuff, no more noisey airpumps etc is really appealing to me & the results people get speak for themselves. I think your pretty much there yourself Toke & this Run was a success for the most part bro. When i finally get to understand the CEC and relationships with the Mg & Ca cations, & its relationship with K, ill be buying it myself for sure. I sort of get it so i dont think it'll be long.

The Hog is one thats interested me for ages man, was that known at one time as Hempstar or have i got that wrong?. I know its a Cup Winner & ive read good things. be real interested to see you have a crack at her mate, supposed to be a killer yielder. Im off to read the last few pages of this thread again. Good Luck Buddy!
Peace.....Scroger!
 

Tokesome

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Mmmm interesting mate.


£75 for 5 liters of Cannazym, "fuckin Hell" I said and got it for £60, still, a very expensive product. Its main purpose for me is to breakdown the fineroots left in my reclaimed coco, but it works out a lot dearer than new coco!!

I got myself some Trichoderma too, gonna dose em tonight. It says to mix 1 gram to 1 litre of water to treat about 30 plants. As mine are in 7inch pots at the mo, and my mate`s tent grow are in 14ltr pots, I`m wondering how to go about the best application. Can I mix it with my usual feed for a one off application? If so how much would I add to 10ltrs of nutrient mix, to feed 8 plants in 14ltr pots, and say 4 ltrs to feed 20 plants in 7inch pots??

Or do I have to apply it separate from nutrients? Can anyone tell me the answer, I need to get it done today or tmro at the latest, before going away for the weekend, so help please. ;-)

They`re looking healthy at this stage, just starting to see the fist roots appear at the bottom of the pots, I`m hoping they`re rooted enough to pot up on Monday as I`m away for quite a while after that and dont want to leave the responsibility with my mate who`s looking after things for me.

Toke
 

~Shhh~

JETS
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That's a Q I have always kinda wondered myself bro, I think when they say that it treats 30 plants with 1L they are talking about clones? It just seems crazy that 33ml's of the water/trichO mix would be enough to inoculate.

I would want at least 200ml per plant to be satisfied that the TrichO has been applied in a fair enough amount to do it's job. As these spores are freeze dried it's a good idea to dissolve into warmish water and bubble for a while to activate them. Maybe even a wee drop of molasses to give em a kick up the arse mate.

Some nice advice from scrogger above, alg-a-mic is a sweet product but essentially seaweed extract. Maxicrop seaweed extract will do just as well IMHO. It's also way cheaper and I think it maybe more concentrated than alg-a-mic. I get the best rooting using seaweed extract, should definitely be in your arsenal as it does all sorts of wonderful things :) Gotta run but hope that helps a bit??

Oh forgot.... Rhizotonic is actually a seaweed extract of sorts... read the back of the bottle~ Derived from marine algae aka kelp aka seaweed ;)
 

Tokesome

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That's a Q I have always kinda wondered myself bro, I think when they say that it treats 30 plants with 1L they are talking about clones? It just seems crazy that 33ml's of the water/trichO mix would be enough to inoculate.

I would want at least 200ml per plant to be satisfied that the TrichO has been applied in a fair enough amount to do it's job. As these spores are freeze dried it's a good idea to dissolve into warmish water and bubble for a while to activate them. Maybe even a wee drop of molasses to give em a kick up the arse mate.

Some nice advice from scrogger above, alg-a-mic is a sweet product but essentially seaweed extract. Maxicrop seaweed extract will do just as well IMHO. It's also way cheaper and I think it maybe more concentrated than alg-a-mic. I get the best rooting using seaweed extract, should definitely be in your arsenal as it does all sorts of wonderful things :) Gotta run but hope that helps a bit??

Oh forgot.... Rhizotonic is actually a seaweed extract of sorts... read the back of the bottle~ Derived from marine algae aka kelp aka seaweed ;)

Always amazes me how much you all know about the different products and there contents and affects, sounds like you all live and breathe it, hehe, well we mostly breathe it eh?:D

Does anyone know if the trichoderma can go into the feed solution, or is it best applied before or after a feed, or away from a feed altogether. From what you`re saying there bro, is to mix it and aireate in warm water, with maybe a wee smidgin of molasses, and not put it in with the nutrients?

Yeah Superthrive is another seaweed extract juice that I`ve always sworn by, it got left out in the financial squeeze I was suffering, and I forgot to pick up a bottle today.

Shit I`m so busy doing several jobs at once, I haven`t even got time to search the web about it, doh!

Cheers, Toke :)
 

Tokesome

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Hey Shhh, I mixed 5 grams of Trichoderma into a ltr or so of luke warm water with a very small amount of molasses in it, and bubbled it for a good hour and then added RO water to make up 5ltrs. I`ll give my plants in the 7 inch pots a dose following a feed in the morning. 7 inch pots, I`m thinking 50-100mls per plant should be plenty in these small pots.

I`ve prepared 15 7ltr pots (aprox 10inch) with reclaimed coco and tmro I`ll give them all a good soaking in a Rhizotonic/double dose Cannazym mix, after that I`ll add the remaining Trichoderma, and more if necessary. These pots will stand till transplanting on Monday, assuming the plants are ready by then. If not, I`m sure my mate`ll be cool with potting them up whilst I`m on holiday, as I dont want to transplant up until a decent root system has established.

Cheers, Toke:)
 
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