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1st grow multi-strain multi room scrog

Tonygreen

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Well here is my first official grow! The Scrog idea got trashed waiting to try to get my clones up to speed, maybe next time, and I cant edit the title... Im such a noob!

It will be a mash up of 2 strains involving some clones I took in late flowering from what I believe to be an ice cream plant or sour bubble plant. The second strain are some lemon skunk seeds a friend gave me. The story behind those is he had an issue with lighting and the plants went without light for some time and hermied. He says they should be good seeds and mostly female but I have read these type of seeds may be an issue. Well we will see!

I have 2 grow spaces I will use, a 3x3 closet and a 27 inch by 4 foot closest I have tons of over head space so I will have to see how that factors in.

Currently I have 7 of the clones going, and 16 of the seedlings vegging under a 400w switchable ballast with an eye hortilux blue light. ( Loving this bulb already.)

When the time comes I have a yieldmaster 2 4 inch vent hood with a 600w hps ballast to add to the mix.

Currently all of them are vegging in the big room under the 400w with a cheap bat wing.

The clones are going on 7 weeks veg.

5 popped nice after a month and started growing new shoots. 2 have been sitting there with their banana leaves chillin in slow motion. lol I learned a lesson about taking clones late in flowering! I wanted to save the strain because the buds were ridiculous. I attempted to save some sour bubble clones but I fucked them up and none made it :(.... (well I think the sour bubble died there is some discrepency on which was the ice cream and which was the sour bubble) In any event the clones that lived came from the nicest diesel smelling plant of the group so they should be interesting!

The mix is fox farm ocean forest soil with roughly a little less then 50/50 perlite added.

For nutes I am using some simple path/davids grow nutes I had left from a trial pack I used for the couple plants my friend gave me that I bloomed out. I also have some general hydroponics maxigrow dry I will be using during veg shortly, I plan to grab some bloomin nute soon to add to the mix.

I will post some pics soon! I plan to bloom out some in the 3x3 with a scrog, and am debating doing the same in the big room when it is time.

I also have a small space I plan to get some bonzai moms going in later in veg.

I'd be happy for any advice as we go!
Things could get tricky with these hermie seedlings I think, debating how to handle this, I may throw my clones in the small room to bloom and leave the seedlings in the big one.

I'll have some pics up soon!
 

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Status of the clones,,,

Status of the clones,,,

This girl was one of the first to some out of flower and pop shoots.

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She is finally popping 3 leaves and branching nicely. 2 like this in nearly identical stages

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Late starter but she is starting to go good

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This clone got some rot in it but I cut it back and she has started taking off again

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Now this is one of the clones that has been sitting with banana leaves for ages doing nothing but I let them go. When you clone from late flower the plant mutates weirdly before it goes into veg. She finally started mutating and shoots will come off soon, just waiting on the last slow one to start popping shoots now!

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I'll put some pics of the seedlings next and go into their story a bit.

You can notice the single leaves that come from the re-veg off a clone taken in late flower, Tough work! I think they will stat bushing up real soon, I have read that it is hard to take clones in this stage but they branch nicely!
 

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Status of the clones,,,

Status of the clones,,,

Next up the seedlings...
 
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Well due to timing and circumstance the scrog never came to be...

I waited a while for the clones to catch up to the lemon skunk seedlings so things got a bit out of hand and I had to give away half of them, I practiced topping on them pretty heavily and they got to be mini bushs that took all my space, and I had my 4 clones i wanted to flip at the same time... :)

I flipped them to 12/12 and two weeks later they all showed female... half got gifted to a friend.

Here is a shot of my 7 remaining lemon skunk ladies 17 days after showing pistils (after the 2 weeks to sex in 12/12). Sorry for the bad camera, I'm reading up on taking pretty pictures atm...

The tallest plants are chest high. We have had horrible heat here and they stretched like crazy... My hood has no glass on it so I had to move the light higher to compensate until I got a dayton blower, even without the glass it keeps it waay cooler in there, good thing I had ceiling room! Also me being a noob had my 600w ballast above it all in the closet burning up more heat! lol. I moved it outside the grow room and things got much better and more manageable... eye hortilux 600w hps...

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Here is a close up of a bud shot of the lemon skunk ladies...

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Those guys got left in 3 gal pots I wish I moved them to the 5 gallon smartpots I put the 4 clones in. so the clones vegged two more weeks and then I threw them in with the lemon skunk right when the lemon skunk showed pistils. These 4 have now been 12/12 for 17 days.

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My room is about 2.5ft by 5 ft and very very tall, they have there own little 1/3 of the room or so. They are all in 5 gallon felt pots with handles, transplanted from the 3 gal the lemon skunk currently reside in.

A bud shot...

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These clones came from late flower plants and I really had to work them but they came out good. When they hit 12/12 they popped pistils very very quickly. They are 17 days into stretch and I am hoping they about equal the canopy of the lemon skunk that I think/hope has topped out in height. They caught up goood so far and all the plants seem to be at about the same bud production.

I already wish I didn't veg so long on the lemon skunk and I wish I put them in the 5 gal smart pots the 4 clones are in. They are nice.

All these guys got maxigrow with directions from the bag until flower and now I have them on maxibloom. I gave the lemon skunk a shot of maxigrow once a week up until now because I am worried about the small pot and giant plant needing food. I have a bag of dry koolbloom I plan to use near the end of bloom from what Ive read.

Ill try to get better pics next time!

Oh yeah I chopped the ladies naked from the knees down and cleaned em out real good. I got nervous because some fan leaves died after I did it but they recovered nicely and never stopped stretching... lol. Thank god I have plenty of ceiling space!
 

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On a side note my friend who donated the original plant to me that I got those clones from says he now doesn't know if that plant it was the ice cream or sour bubble so I have no clue what the 4 clones are!
 
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high man, welcome to the hobby and sorry nobody has welcomed you in the house yet, ...so welcome.

and don't sweat that you don't have a positive pedigree on the genetics you are working with, it generally takes a couple cycles to really get a handle on things and then you can worry about genetics, personally i always recommend that new growers start out with free bagseed to learn thier chops on before throwing down on store bought beans.

anyway, good luck with your first grow and trust that the next run will be better.

peace, AD

btw, be VERY careful about who knows about your garden in the real world, EVERYONE who knows is a security risk, including you, so be careful, we aren't free YET.
 

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Well some excitement today. I decided to purchase a solistek 1000w dimmable, got home raised the light to adjust a bit for the increase to 1000w, turned it on and BOOM my internet and cable dropped. The guys at the shop let me exchange it for a harvest pro elite 1000w hps with magnetic so I'm all good now. The girls were without light while I had to make the switch maybe an hour or so, I'll let the light run an extra hour to compensate.

On a side note it is as bright as the sun in there now!

I am not sure how much this will help yield this time, 21 days since the 12/12 flip for the 4 clones and 30 days s9ince the flip for the lemon skunk.

Lemon skunk pistils took 2 weeks to appear from the seedlings, the clones which were taken from late flower showed them much faster maybe 3-4 days. We will see! One thing for sure, since my room is like 30 inches by 5 1/2 feet, the bigger 1k light is blastin it all with some goood light now. :)
 

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how tall are you?

jus trying to get an idea of how tall those girls are. they looking ok so far.

fwiw, names are ridiculous anyway, as long as the genetics provide you with a reason to continue propagation...

welcome to ICMag. this is where the knowhow is disseminated. good luck bro.
 

Tonygreen

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I am hair over 6 feet tall. I might be trippin but the ladies seem happier under the 1000w already. :)
 

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I was hoping my 4 clones would catch up to the lemon skunk seedlings but they didnt stretch near as much so I just put them under milk crates now they are about even to the lemon skunk ladies. Right now the Light is open hood and I raised it so it is roughly 24-27 inches above the canopy. I might adjust it but for now seeing how my ventilation and cooling will hold up under the extra wattage.
 

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I busted out the ruler for you bro, the lemon skunks are roughly 3 1/2- 4feet atm, the clones in their 5 gallon smart pots are 2 1/2-3 feet atm, the milk crate was perfect size to even em up! They are under 30 days of 12/12 yet so if they stretch much more I can take out the crates.
 

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Kind of nervous, this ballast makes a "click" or "tick" sound every once in awhile. My other ballasts dont do that. The light also died once this morning, I thought I blew a fuse but everything else in the house was still on, I immediately unplugged the ballast and a few minutes later plugged it back in and the light fired up.

So I am thinking we had some sort of power surge or the ballast could be bad? Watching closely today... It makes me nervous because my ladies daytime is when I am at work and when I get home I cut the lights off, maybe I should switch that so I am here to see any trouble...

Thoughts guys?
 

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So I rushed home to pack up the ballast and haul it in to the shop to have em test it. They say it is ticking because it is new, freshly painted, needs to settle in etc. Got there just 15 min before closing. They could be right (hopefully) or they didn't really give a crap and wanted to go home. lol

Hope they are right but I bought a 15 minute on delay timer just in case it cuts out when I am at work again. I was a nervous wreck all day! :)

On a side note the ladies are loving the 1000w'er already.

Some bud shot updates from my crappy camera....

The clones happily budding away in there corner...

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Here is the Lemon skunk, I can deffo see a huge increase in looks after just the 3rd day of the 1000w upgrade. I thought the Lemon skunk had topped out but about half seem to be more Sativa leaning phenos and are now shooting up even more... Heres a crappy shot of one, in just the last three days the tops have opened up and been making little branches with random pistils everywhere,

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The other half of the Lemon ladies are shorter and have tight bud formations everywhere like this earlier lemon shot.... Wish me luck on this ballast, still a bit nervous!
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I read the entire defoliation thread and today I am going to go in and strip down my ladies some. I saw enough good results to be convinced. Verdantgreen seemed really opposed to it at first but as the thread progressed he seems to have changed his mind a bit. I read his stuff alot and respect his work so I think I am goin to give it a shot.

The plan is to strip them today, then again between 40-50 days. Wish me luck!

Also gonna grab some clones off of my clones to get started for the next run.
 

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I managed to get all my Lemon skunk stripped down. I will give it a day or two to see how they fare before I rape my unknown clone ladies.

The experience of defoliation was intense. When you start you feel like you are doing something very bad, but strangely as I cut away it seemed like the plants responded literally in my hands. I got to the two in the back and they had die off in the low end and it seems like the plant was trying to do the job I was helping it with! Well I was still nervous but I kept hearing ole boy from the thread going "which ones need to be cut?? "EVERY FUCKIN ONE". lol So I did about that, though I did leave all bud sites alone and any small young newer growth of fan leaves, the rest got taken. You can see the penetration greatly improved and for the last 15 minutes of light the girls seemed to be stretching and standing at attention.

We will see how it goes! Man I need new camera!
 

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Did a light watering today with no nutes, figured I should maybe go easy on the girls why they recover this first day. They seem to be just fine, noticed some extra growth on my tops today.

Didn't get home in time to trim down the clone ladies, I think I will wait until the weekend and see how the Lemon skunk girls recover.
 

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Ouch the tallest ladies stretched up into the hot zone. I am venting with a 265 dayton blower, looks like I need to raise the light again or find somewhere to get a lense for my knock off hood.

Also one of the clonesis showing heavy signs of calcium deficiency on her upper leaves, I am inclined to believe it was ph issues, I feed too much maxibloom and my water is around 7-7.7 ph so I think it is too low and locking out the calcium in my soil.

When the ladies wake up it looks like I am going to flush the girls real good, hopefully that will knock out some salt and raise up the PH some.

Is it a waste to get ph strips until I can afford a pen or something like that? Anyone have advice for flushing? I have some girls in 3 gal nursery pots and some in 5 gal smart pots...

I am such a noob I should have been monitoring my ph this whole time I guess, I think thats why my bud growth has been slow/has slowed a bit...
 

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Holy crap guys I have been using the wrong measurement of maxibloom, I have been putting like 2 tbs every other day or three, it should have been tsp!!!!

I am surprised my plants aren't dead. I had been wondering why they were not putting on weight after a week or two into bloom.

I think ph has been too low for at least two weeks now... I am going to flush like hell tomorrow.

Any advice guys? Will they pick back up flowering and adding weight if I flush good enough?
 
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