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1st grow ever. Hashberry seeds, CFL, Soil & Tent 48”x24”x60”

ChardIr

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Hello dear reader,
This is my first time growing anything on purpose. I once grew some potatoes in a cupboard, but that was an accident. Anyway, I'm going to try and add as many specifications that may have bearing on the success or failure of this project. The goal will be to end up with some nicely cured buds regardless of yield, but with a high yield of experience.


Any criticism, advice or comments will be appreciated.


Here goes...


Starting specifications:
Seeds: [FONT=&quot]Mandela[/FONT] - Hashberry 10 pack
Soil: Fox Farm Ocean Fresh
Germination method: 6 seeds, each placed in 5.5"x5.5" planter with FFOF soil on 9/28/2010
Light: 8 daylight (6500 Kelvin) 23wat CFL Bulbs under a reflector (I chose CFL instead of HID since the big advantage for MH & HPS seems to be yield and that isn't my biggest concern at this time)

temperature: Low 73f - High 82f
Grow Area: 48”x24”x60” Tent
Air Circulation: Fan blowing over pots and partially open tent flaps 24 hours a day
Humidity: Between 35 & 50
Water PH: Tap water PH is about 7. I add some vinegar to get it around 6.5

I watered the soil, put the seeds 1/4" under cover and waited. I had the CFL lights about 4" above the top of soil. After a day the soil looked a bit dry so I put about an ounce of water where I thought each seed may be located. Another day went by and I repeated the previous day’s routine. The third day I saw 2 definite bumps where the seeds should be and by the next day could see seedling and had signs of the rest successfully germinated.

9 days after dropping 6 Hashberry seeds in 5.5" x 5.5" pots with Fox Farm Ocean Fresh soil. 6 out of 6 germinated. 9 days old 10/7/2010


9 day old seedlings under 8, 23 watt cfl bulbs rated at 6500 Kelvin. 4 bulbs under each shop light reflector with a custom V8 vegetable skirt....


16 days old. Changed out the bowl reflector because it was too small and for now I am only using my patched together V8 vegetable can reflector. 10/14/2010


7 days of growth sure make a difference in the size of these youngsters. 16 days old 10/14/2010


Transplanting 17 days after putting seeds in soil. Transplanting from a 5.5" x 5.5" pot to a 3gal pot. Roots looked like this after 17 days old



Transplanted them all into their final home, 3gal round pots. (these pictures are 3 days after transplanting) 20 days old 10/18/2010


Both of these plants came from the same package of Hashberry seeds. They look quite different. 20 days old 10/18/2010


Here they are with just 4 more days of growth. 24 days old 10/22/2010


I find the difference in just 4 days of growth intresting. The top photos are of 20 days from putting seeds in soil and the bottom is 24 days.



This is the water PH test straight from the tap. Tap water PH is about 7



I Add enough vinegar to get the PH down to 6.5


The drainage from 24 day old potted soil is about 5.5




Well, thanks for looking, lookers of grow logs.

All the best,
ChardIr
 
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Justin_Credible

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:yoinks:
Holy crap, 1st time :good: Wish mine looked that good in my 1st run. Off to a great start man...best of luck finishing them. :tiphat:
 

fonzee

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I doubt the CFLs you chose would be enough to flower those plants. I consider 45W CFLs the minimum.
They look good though.
 

ChardIr

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Hey Justin, Thanks for the positive comments and good will.:wave: So far so good. Most likely the plants are doing well due to luck rather than skill...just hope the luck holds out! That said, if there is any skill involved the credit is substantially directed to the forums. I read a lot and try to implement what I learn to my own situation.

AAaaaaaaaiiiiiiii fonzee! I have a 68 watt cfl at 2700k waiting for the 12/12 switch. Pretty sure I'll get one more. So at flowering I plan on burning 8, 23 watters at 2700k and 2 68'ers, also at 2700k. I sure some plants will turn dude and have to go. That will leave some space for light distribution and hopefully I'll finish up with some healthy plants. Thanks for the advise and visit.

I don't know if I would be having as much fun growing flowers, corn or whatever, but I'm having a great time growing cannabis!
 

fonzee

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I wouldn't bother firing the 23w.
You would run 184W of CFLs that needs wiring and cooling. And another 68w cfl.
That should cover... 2-3 plants if used wisely.

I would get a 150W HPS instead. Or 250W.
Or if staying with CFLs ditch the 23W and go with only 45+W.
A 45W CFL produce the light of 2.5-3x 23W CFLs.

You can grow plants with just one 68W and get some buds, but you'll be going through a lot of work for little bud.

If you somehow maneuver the 23s around the plant and reposition them every 2 days you might be able to grow some nice crop.
BUT if it was me I would save myself the hassle.
 

ChardIr

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Aaaeee Fonzee, Thanks for the continued input. Since I already have the bulbs and it seems I will be able to get at least some buds out of my setup, I think I'll go forward with my flowering plans. I like how you think it's possible that I "might be able to grow some nice crop" if I reposition the lights every couple of days. I may consider that a hassle after a while, but right now I have to control myself from sticking my head in the tent every couple of hours! :D


After switching to the flowering stage I plan on the 68 watters over the plants and hanging the 23 watters so that they get into the lower areas.

Here is a picture of the 23 watters and how I plan positioning the fixture for hanging.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=24066&pictureid=519989

Here is a picture of the 68 watter. This is not how it will be used, just wanted to post it's size. (it's a big sucker!)

 
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fonzee

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Get some reflectors for the ones on the sides.
You can use disposable baking trays and a sharp knife to make some really quick and easy.

I just hang my CFLs from the ceiling when I use some. That way I can move them to where-ever I wish.


You think of your grow as a first time experience - you probably just want to experiment and get something out of it.

I'm thinking about making it trouble-free, foolproof and effective.
I'm growing under a 400W for around 2 years now, lately picked a 600W as well.
I wish I could have a grow closet that I just need to give water to every 2 weeks and chop buds each 2 months, rarely having to do anything else.
 

growfr

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I think you might want to use straight water if your runoff is at 5.5, 7.0 would bring the PH in your grow medium to between 5.8 and 6.2 where I would want mine in veg.
As your plants use your P & K in mid-flower, the Ph in your soil will drop. Plus the FFOF soil is already amended and it is nice to keep the option of still feeding your girls when they show deficiencies.
In 3 gallon pots, you might be able to get away without nutes or only do a guano top dressing.

As a new grower I will make a few recommendations.
1 always let you plants get pretty dry before you water.
2 don't overfeed or give them too much attention. New growers frequently love their plants to death.

it looks like you are doing great.
 

ChardIr

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Hey Fonzee,
Yep, that is pretty much spot-on how I am thinking about this grow. This is all about getting a bit of schooling (hopefully an A+ for the course) and than have something for me at the end. After this is finished I will start having some ideas on the future, such as lights, SOG, LST, SCROG, topping, etc. Also, I've been thinking about reflectors for the lower hanging cfl's I plan on using. Your baking trays suggestion sounds perfect. Thanks!

HiYa growfr,
I just finished watering all the plants. I left the tap water at its normal 7 PH. The run-off tests at 6 PH. Thanks! Also, all of the plants are in 3gal pots. each pot retained about .6 gal of water. (2.25 liters) I waited to water them for 5 full days. I will be checking to see if they need water again in about 3 days, planning on watering them on the 4th day. A couple of the plants may have looked a little droopy and thirsty today so I think I may have waited just a little longer than needed. Also, Also...I have not given any nutrients to the plants besides what is in the FFOF soil. As you mentioned and from what I've been able to learn from Mandela's web site and other reading, additional nutrients may not be needed. Especially with a CFL light setup. (I will be watching and ready if they get hungry). Thanks for the heads up and info! It is appreciated!

Here is the PH test from the drainage after watering with untreated tap water. Looks to me about a 6 PH.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=24066&pictureid=520170

I have given all the plants a numerical designation and a lady super hero name. The numbering is a practical tracking method and the naming is fun!



All the best :)
 
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fonzee

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They look great :)

be on the lookout for overwatering, some plants look a bit droopy. (like she-hulk)
 

ChardIr

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They look great :)

be on the lookout for overwatering, some plants look a bit droopy. (like she-hulk)


Actually, I waited to long to water her. She was droopy from waiting 5 days between getting a drink. I've been so worried about over watering that I under watered. They all go a big drink. It's been a couple hours now and she is perking back up to a good healthy looking plant. Thanks for the concern!:tiphat:
 

killerweed31

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hey man nice grow for 1°time , plants looks so healthy n' green ..n'bush , the cfl work good bro all your plan are efficient nice transplant nice job im in for this one , can't wait for check how they explode in bloom and aso the genetic i want see how they filled up so enjoyed new grower!!!
 

fonzee

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Than your golden :)
remember than for now you need to water her each 4 days.

I rather repot plants that need watering more than every 4 days. That means their roots are all over the place doing their work and won't mind some more space.
If I have the space (which I currently don't) I aim to water on a weekly basis and I pot my plants in pots that allow that.
 

ChardIr

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killerweed31,
Thanks for the good vibes! Hope it all works out and you like what you see in the future!:wave:

Pompey_Monkey,
I have never, in my life, tried to germinate a seed that has not successfully grown! Every time I put a seed in soil, BOOM! A new plant! Granted, I have only tried to germinate 6 seeds in my life and the success is probably due to the mandala seeds. But I figure why not crow a bit while my luck holds out. Thanks for dropping by. :) (I've been spelling mandala incorrectly up until getting your post...oooops)

Fonzee,
Yep, I think I've got the water dialed in and am starting to feel a little more confidant that I'm not going to drown them. Sounds like another transplant may be a good idea, but for this grow I'm just going to water more and hope for the best. Thanks for your support and information. It is truly valued!
 
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fonzee

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Its not just watering more often, its about giving the plant enough root space to support maximum growth.
Water too often is a sign of root binding, which is better avoided. (in most cases. when you want to sex test a clone root binding it will stress it and it will flower quicker. you can also rootbind a mom plant so it will stay small or delay growth at plants that grew out before the flowering cabin was ready.

A root bound plant takes time to recover. The more it got bound the longer it will take to recover.
 

ChardIr

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The time to switch the lighting to a 12/12 cycle is 9:00 PM October 27th! I just found out that I will need to be about 1,000 miles away from my plants for 6 days between the 22nd of November and the 28th. (without getting into details...it's a good thing) So what I am thinking is I will need to discover their sexes and be very sure any males or hermie I can spot will be long gone before I leave on the 22nd. Most of the plants are nearly 12" tall and a couple are at 13". I think it's flower time! Although this gap in the amount of attention I will be able to provide the plants needed to be taken into consideration and influenced my decision I was going to make the transition soon anyway. I moved the day up a little because I want to start flowering and get some time into the cycle before I take a 6 day break.

Here is what I am trying to figure out and would like any input I can get.

1) Any reason I should not switch to a 12/12 light cycle the night of the 27th? (29 days from putting seeds in soil)

2) The plants will need to be watered within the 6 days I will be away. I've been looking at Hydro-Mats and Wick Method as a one time solution. Suggestions?

3) The lights will need to be positioned far enough away so that the plants do not grow into them. But not so far as to be ineffective. I hope to get a feel for where the lighting should be placed during the few weeks of flowering experience I will get before my trip.

4) Based on what I have been able to pickup from reading the boards and other materials. I think the plants will have enough nutrients from the ffof soil so that they will not suffer any deficiencies. After reading through the different posts in the infirmary, it seems there are considerably more problems from over feeding then under feeding. That said, this is something I am at least a little concerned about.

5)
Temperature is something I can somewhat control while I am gone. Not very worried about that.


That is all I can think of at the moment. Please let me know if I am missing anything glaringly obvious, or not so glaringly.

Thanks for any help, helpers or people!
:thank you:
 

fonzee

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1. no.
2. get a water pump, timer and some tubings. nothing "hydro". pretty much every water pump can support 6 drippers.
3. after a month of 12\12 the plants should finish stretching. just place it 3cm higher than it was set before you left to be on the safe side. After a month of flowering indicas rarely build up more than 3cm per week.
Worst case - you will get some minor burns. its not a big deal except the ugly look.
4. the ocean forest soil should not have enough nutes for more than a month of proper growth. I would add a TINY bit (teaspoon) of high P guano in a tiny hole below where the drippers drip on each pot.
There are nutrient tablets that should work for a month or so as well but I never used those.
If you want to use inorganic fertilizers you could use something in the water reservoir.
If you go with bottled organic fertilizers and feed well for the previous week and plant look great a week of no nutes won't do them much, but when you return you should feed them again.

5. Get a bit more venting just to be on the safe side (mold-wise as well) and if temps don't change too much you shouldn't have problems.


Before you leave make sure you have everything held well to its place and nothing is hanging around. You don't want your house to set on fire or something like that while you'r away.
Be sure you filter your exhaust, smell can build up very badly in 6 days and smell can increase ten-fold in 6 days.

Have fun :)
 

ChardIr

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Hey Fonzee, You are as cool as your namesake! All your advice seems good and I will pretty much implement all of it.

Going to get a pump, timer and tubing. Then I will run some tests to check water flow amounts using the timer and just generally trouble shooting the system. That should get me through the trip while I'm away from the plants. The bonus will be that I will also have a system ready in case of emergencies.

About the nutrients. Being that I am very new at this, and having read over and over again about how new growers burn the shit out of their plants with nutes, I am hesitant to do any feeding until they show signs of deficiency. The trouble is, I also recognize that I am being a chicken shit! So I have decided to go with a bottled flowering fertilizer. I'm looking at OF Tiger Bloom 2-8-4. (quick aside - why do they list the nutes as 2-8-4? Wouldn't it mean the same thing if they reduced the numbers to 1-4-2?) I plan on waiting until I see some flowering and then start with 1/2 the suggested amount, see how it goes the 1st watering and then up the amount to 2/3 for the 2nd watering and finally the full recommended amounts on all the future waterings up until getting ready for the final days before harvest. I'm still a bit of a chicken shit at heart but at least I will be getting some food into the soil.

I think I will be ok with the venting and temperature. I will be VERY careful with all the different electrical elements used in this grow and appreciate the warning about unintended catastrophic problems that could develop without adaptive care and attention. (I don't want to burn my shit up or anyone else's)
 

ChardIr

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Change of plans
I noticed something on the 27th before making the planned 12/12 light cycle change. I have Girls!
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Four out of the six seeds planted are showing pistils! Hit-Girl, Mystique, Supergirl and my favorite, She-Hulk!



NEW FLOWERING START DATE OCTOBER 28TH!:yay:

I decided to start flowering on the 28th. Last night was the 1st time my plants have been without light! The reason I waited was I wanted to cut the lowest cloneable set of branches off of each plant that was a for sure female. All the plants were still in the vegetative state and I wanted to experiment and try cloning. I went to a hydro store and bought an inexpensive little "Root Riot" cuttings kit. It came with starter cubes, tray and a little package of "Clonex". I made the cuts and have them in a cardboard box under a cfl hopefully growing roots. If the cloning is successful I will incorporate them into the flowering 12/12 cycle in a couple weeks for a small eight plant SOG. (I doubt that I have room for all of this but will cross that bridge when I come to it.)

I think Poison Ivy and Wonder Woman are a couple of dudes and will have to go. It's too soon for me to know for sure, so I will wait a couple more days. If they turn out to be females also, I will have a difficult decision to make. The tent does not look big enough for more than 4 plants...if even that many! I will most likely pick my favorite 4 and get rid of the extras.
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Later log lookers!
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