1st Cco Run, Couple Problems ( Pics )

[drew1503]

T-5 System
3 Gallon Square Pots
4 Club Clones ( Bare Roots)
Canna Coco/Perlite 50/50
Canna A/B
Rhizotonic
CannaZym
Feeding every watering,started at 1/4 dose and have moved up slowly, new growth is healthy. I had to keep them in water bare rooted one night becasue i did not have any nutes to feed them. I planted these on Sunday the 4th. Can anyone help, I have done 6 soil grows ( 2 did not make it ) with no major issues and now this! What is wrong with my plants? I do not have a ph meter, it broke last night and I am feeding tap water, which is normally pretty good considering.

 

[JackKerouac]

They look like they haven't acclimated to their new home quite yet.

What are your temperatures?

Also the perlite might be holding a lot of water if they are drooping like that.

 

[gaiusmarius]

it looks like a typical transplant shock. for now stop A+B for a day or two and stick with rhizotonic, the thing is rhizotonic has a tendency to up your ph level and needs ph minus to adjust it again. so without a ph meter you are probably feeding them with a ph of 8.0 which would explain the transplant shock.

the other thing is to stop the cannazym for now, as it's not needed until a few weeks have passed.

the other question i have is how well did you water them? they look a bit dry.

try and get some cheap ph paper measuring strips, so you can at least stay close to ph 6.0 what ever you are adding.

unless you are using coco as a supplement in earth, the ph is very important., as coco will take on the ph of the nutrient solution you are giving it with time.

 

[GreenStreet]

Hi Drew,
Your plants don't look like they hardened off yet and I agree with the others that they look over watered.

1. Carefully remove your plants from the coco and dry out your medium and flush it if you can to get any ferts out.

2. Replant your cuts in the medium and bury the stem so just the leaves are above the coco line.

3. For the next 2 days lightly mist the plants, but don't water the medium. Make sure the coco is damp but not too moist. Rhizo works well on cuttings if you add some to a sprayer bottle and mist your plants with it.

4. Make sure the air circulation is decent near the cuttings. Your plants should rebound rather quickly, within a day or so. Its important to harden off cuttings or drooping will happen.

Your grow should be fine after this. Good luck.
GS

 

[gaiusmarius]

GreenStreet always make sure to tell folks to turn their lamps off before they spray anything on plants specially young clones. spraying with the hps on can burn them real bad.

i would also not take them out of their pots, that's maybe one way, but i would just flush the coco with the plant still in it, if you feel that you have over done the food. just a bit a patience should do it, although a good ph really would help you so much.

 

[GreenStreet]

Hi gaius,
Don't take this the wrong way, but your advice doesn't address the situation his plants are currently in and may lead to worsen his current situation.

1. Plants that young shouldn't be anywhere close to an HPS bulb, and his post states that he using a T5.

2. If he doesn't repot his plants, the medium won't be dry enough to allow the plants to recover quickly.

3. If he flushes the current medium their in, it will only worsen the situation. Get it dry then lightly moisten the coco. I would also change the mix to alittle more coco than 50/50. Try a mix with alittle more coco.

Drew, try the method I sent you an you'll see a difference within 24 hrs. That's what makes these forums effective. Getting advice from a wide range of growers.
Good luck everyone,
GS

 

[drew1503]

Thank you everyone for the responses, really appreciated. The temps are around 70 to 75 depending on the time of day. I will go get a PH meter today at the hydro shop, might as well dop a little $$ and not be cheap, hell I have already spent a nice amount on Clones, medium, nutes, etc... I have taken your advice and did stop the A/B and Cannazym as well and they look better this morning, i will post some pis in a minute. I did not water them last night because I have been drenching them and it did look like a little over watering for a minute, but them again this is a different medium than i am used!
Oh yeah a little more about the home, they are in a 4x4x8 box and I also have a cool tube with a 1000W HPS that they will go under when they are strong enough, I also have a 465 CFM vortex and a CAN filter for the smell but it seems I need a new one which is odd because at the end of my last run, it started to stink and I live in a condo so I cannot be having that. Here are some pics of my last grow.

 

[GreenStreet]

Nice lookin plants Drew. Really nice & fat cola's. I think over watering was the problem.
Get them in some dry coco and they'll rebound in no time. Keep those little guys away from that HPS like you said until their ready for it. At first I thought those buds came from the T5 and almost fell over, until you mentioned the 1000 watter. Nice Grow.
GS

 

[gaiusmarius]

what a pity people don't understand that coco has enough air in it even when drenched as long as it can drain freely. taking plants back out of their new homes is a total last resort. first you correct the basics like ph and ec, once thats under control it is only a mater of a day of patience for the water to be used up that you flushed with. dude i have done this stuff a thousand times and know what i'm telling him from experience, not from reading up on the subject.

taking the plant out of it's pot now, will put even more stress on the plant then the transplant at the wrong ph has already cause.

but thanks for your opinion, even if i have never heard of a person taking the plant out of it's pot again because of excess water. i mean we are talking coco here and perlit, not soil for crying out loud.

keep up the good work drew, a ph meter will help a lot same as a bit of time, they will come round. no use loving your plants to death, that's a typical newbee thing, can't leave well enough alone, lol.

peace
gm

 

[drew1503]

As Promised, here are the update pictures from today after last night of not watering and the feed before was just Riz. Thanks GM and GS, I am a noob at the coco, but I have 6 other grows with soil so I think I have the basics down but coco is another beast in itself. They are perking up more and coming back to life, new growth is healthy.

 

[gaiusmarius]

you are gonna love the og kush, make sure you keep a mother of it if at all possible as it's a real keeper if it is the real deal. good to see one or two of them are looking better, the rest will come along too, specially once you have your ph meter. it is a vital tool for growing in coco. some people are lucky and have great water quality, but most of us have to add ph minus to the ferted water to get the ph to 6.0 which is what coco likes. specially with the rhizotonic which up the ph instead of pushing it down a bit like the A+B ferts do.

good growings

 

[Old Soul]

gaiusmarius is right. He is very knowledgable and experienced when it comes to coco. Coco is all I have ever used and it is a tricky medium, but once you get it down, the results are impressive and superior in my opinion. I use coco straight and would not even think of switching to anything else. Just let them dry out good and they will be fine. The one nice thing about coco is it is very forgiving in my experience. I made a lot of mistakes in my first couple of harvests and I still got quality bud even though the yield was not there.

Peace

Old Soul

 

[GreenStreet]

Hey Gauis,
Before you make corrections I would suggest you read the iniitial post. Coco does dry out fast, but not in a mix of 50/50. Repotting a newly planted cutting doesn't stress the plants, sitting in wet medium when your all ready wilted will kill your cuttings way before transplanting to fresh medium will. I always read through my post and give reasons for my suggestions. I mean no offense by it, but too many people skim through the questions asked and miss some of the specifics. I don't mind be corrected, no pity needed here. Once agian I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'll stand by my comments if their correct.
GS

 

[-VT-]

I've never had overwatering issues in 50/50 coco/perlite
nor have I heard of overwatering in 50/50 coco perlite...not saying it isn't possible...just new info on my end....

I've locked out plants from bad PH and overfert though....

good luck

 

[GreenStreet]

The plants in the pics are wilted. Wilted plants won't uptake water or ferts when they've been over watered, which he said he did. A mix of 50/50 will take too long to dry out if the plants aren't taking in water. Drying out the mix and repotting will correct the situation instantly. Why wait around for the medium to dry out. I just think thats the way to go, but I could be wrong.
GS

 

[gaiusmarius]

this is getting funny,

so you don't think spraying plants with the lights on will damage wilted clones in transplant shock, even worse?

so you don't think that the wrong ph, which is guaranteed with rhizotonic and no ph meter, is a problem?

50% coco and 50% perlit, that makes it even airier then it would be if it was pure coco. perlit helps the medium drain and dry even faster then coco already does. it is not 50% soil and 50% coco.

just sit back and watch those plants come back, with a little time and the correct ph. which is what is important in coco.

perlit is not the same as vermiculite. you accuse me of not reading the whole post when your answer missed the most important likely problem, which is the ph that is caused by rhizotonic and not having a ph meter. then you tell him to spray, even though his plants are already stressed out and don't need any additional stress, without mentioning the importance of turning the grow lights off before spraying anything and only turning the lights on again when the plants are mainly dry. worse then that, you tell him to take the plants out of their pots???!!! when all it takes is a few hours for that medium to be in perfect shape if it was ever anything other. really! ... and then you accuse me of giving bad advice, that's a laugh.

peace

 

[GreenStreet]

GM,
Dude, read the post. I said to transplant to medium thats not overwatered. That problem would be corrected instantly. After that, when the plants recover, misting cuttings or transplants with a mild mix of rhizo will aid in the plant recovery.

When plants are wilted, plants won't uptake water to dry out the medium their in. Nothing I said is untrue. I won't sit back and watch while a moderators advice seems questionable. Rather than argue with you, I said my piece and backed it up. Its only advice, nothing more. I am sorry that these posts turned into this. As a moderator, I would expect more debate rather than the last posts.

Drew, good luck with the grow.
GS

 

[Guest]

lol i know who im rollin wit

 

[gaiusmarius]

i agree enough has been said, if you don't get the point then there is nothing i can do.

what you need to understand is that your advice in the first post was dangerous for a new grower. had he sprayed those plants in that state under the lights, they would have gotten worse. worrying about too much water in a medium like coco mixed with 50% perlit is ridiculous, by the way, this is debate. what else would you call it? do you expect me to shut up when i see someone being given uncompleted and plain wrong advice? i don't want to fight with anyone, but i do feel that it's my job to point out something that i know about. in the end let the thread starter decide what makes more sense. i can't be bothered to go around in circles arguing about it, i've said my piece.

once again i am not trying to cause offense, just calling it the way i see it. i mean i have been using this stuff for a very long time now, i know how it reacts under what conditions. i have grown countless plants on coco, in many different ways.

peace

 

[GreenStreet]

I tell you what, normally I would let it go, but your smart remarks bug me to much. Have a pow wow with the other moderators and let them read the post before you call someone's advice dangerous. Let them read the post and respond to my advice. If they say my advice is dangerous, I will gladly apologize for my remarks. But until then, you should keep your mouth shut. I posted a method for cleaning coco for reuse and you wrote in one of your posts to it that you didn't realize you could reuse coco and your a moderator? And if you deny it, bump the thread and you can read your own post.
GS