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1969 Mekong Delta strain

Tazz11

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Male dominated cultivars sound appealing to me, the again I'm up at 5am every morning doing things most folks think suck! I could see the potential in such a endeavor......now let me try to catch up in the thread.
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it sounds good but it works backwards from female dominate strains , the genders are always in a Push /Pull balancing act for stabilization female gender traits often mix well in like a cake mix .but males don't . and in a OLR there is only male ...and he wears a gilt ! lol if we hybrid it we can keep him setting down in the back as look as we don't cross him ...then he steps up and dominates any other new male traits as they are crossed into the mix .. I had been collecting rare strains for 25 years and never seen a strain that was truly male dominate...and the market dose not keep genetic male blood lines .. or do they and don't know it ...lol the healthy structure of a plant is controlled by the male traits .. when you grow only female traits in your selection you often have a strain that look stabilized but in fact is degrading over time from the lack of two controlling factors . one is the purity and quality of the males used to make the hybrid and the over selective choices of the breeder , by every time you select a good looking female your often throwing away the male traits of a given strain thus the over all health of the strain fades yes ,becoming homozygous, ,,, in shopper terms .. the sale is great but it still has a price on it ... ....you have to love the price we pay for fashion!
 

Tazz11

Member
If a guy creates a strain it’s nobodies business but his what he does with it
that would normally be very true . but in my case , not ! why .some of the best breeders ever know stepped in and gave me a breeders 20 packs .. when people were paying thousands for a chance to grow even one strain from them . I grew 29 ,they gave me the breeders pack because they saw someone fighting a up hill battle when few were working on med weed strains ...a man that puts his heart and soul into his work has a better chance of reaching his goal and I did , so its time to pay it forward like the Dutch flowers did to me ...I grew 4 of their strain that were not sold to the public .. I gave one to a OG women in calf .. I don't remember her name but she got 3 rooted clone of Orange fig widow ,a great strain ! in 98, I grew the DF /Black Nam, I learn sativa are a handful ...lol then came the WWF1 I used in the making of Candy Cain Thai ...see the breeders pack 20 packs of seeds I paid for the other 9 strains
at auction ..." if you want to learn about cannabis strains don't let price teach you !
 
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kro-magnon

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There is some groups of people focused on preservation and not greed ,don't release your strain i a cup of any kind but share it with people who will keep it alive for the future. You can find many passionate peole on this forum about rare sativa and they are not motivated by greed or they would not grow 16-20 weeks flowering strains.
 

ctg

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Was that garden goddess taz. I think I remember her smoking some orange fig widow with me years ago at hemp fest in Seattle. Prob 2003-2004 or so
 

Tazz11

Member
Was that garden goddess taz. I think I remember her smoking some orange fig widow with me years ago at hemp fest in Seattle. Prob 2003-2004 or so
that nick dose sound familiar .. she never ask me for seeds or clones, I just was talking to her on line and she said she could not afford that kind of money for seeds ,and at the time I had clones rooted and setting . she had some nice grow pics and I just ask if she wanted a few clones ..if it was her you did in fact smoke one of the real Dutch Flowers strains ,it was a killer strain smoked like the early calf orange with a fig spicy after tune ..if anyone sees her out there ,tell I said hi ..
 

Tazz11

Member
sorry I could not get back sooner . I rode close to 100 miles today and when i got back I fell a sleep in a chair when I got up I fell ,I am hurt, it sucks and I can not walk right now ,I went down hard ...... not much fun I should be up and walking in a few days maybe a week ..need time to heal and rest .stay safe stay free !
 

troutman

Seed Whore
:comfort:

Try to eat well and recover. :tiphat:

The older we get the more things affect us.

Are you going to be posting some new Abducted pics later on? :)
 

Tazz11

Member
I am alive .. I guess ..I am back up and moving around no broken bones thank god .. few more days and I will be as good as a old hippie can be ... ,I love ridding my Harley ,I just don't know when to stop . rain or snow I go ...some times it even is sunny out there ...had the music on kicking it having a great day and just lost track of time and it caught up with me ...you guys take care I 'll be back a few days ...
 
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Tazz11

Member
I have been working on this hybrid for a few years and last generation I noticed something and change the off springs direction . and it worked better then I hoped . this is where my hard work helps others .. I had a structure that was directed to massive numbers of buds and they were great but not the full size buds or what I wanted . so what I have now is almost no topping of any kind on flowered clones taken from late flowering ... this push the structure back towards a good number of braches and the multi branching of the clones being cut in late flowering ..this made the plant stage in nice main braches but also made the secondary branches act like the mains .. this means 10-15 branches that flower from the base to the top of each branch .. this brings out the strains Thai back ground that is its most likely oldest strain trait .much like old school Thai . each branch may have a higher leaf to flower ratio but the over all look of 15-25 inch Thai stick structure if I get dead on target , and yes it looks like the plant is learning and the teacher is the pupil ,,out standing control of plant development and structure traits and stabilization of growth rates .. less topping and training for better structure and end product ...with 1/2 nudes and the branch is at 16 inches it will make some kick ass hybrid Thai stick where the taste and the effect are hybrid and the power of high and the potency and growth rates of the strain are like the native Thai with the Indoor structure at around 4ft when finished ,its like controlling the stretch of a rubber band .. it wants to stretch all at once when it wants to flower but the slow even stretch and controlled stretch makes the nude closer ... giving the more full Thai stick structure un like the string of pearl effect...I learned a lot from creating the Candy Cain Thai hybrid ..with the native Thai in the Mountains thin air and rock soil had effected the strains over thousands of years .. is this what made the low area between Thai land and the coast strains they way they were with a Thai back ground trait it looks to be one of the main traits building the structure ,some thing learned over a 20 year span ...so I am now working towards a structure goal of braches that ark upward like Thai stick from the base of branches to the tops from the base of the plant to the top ...the goal being 5 or 6 mains with 10-12 secondary branches with a 12-18 branch total over all ...a guess you would say a true breeding dwarf Sativa /Thai Hybrid ....
 
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Tazz11

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I am not shocked you noticed that ..its one of things I have been watch in this strain ..the tight nudes go from the button of each branch to the top of each branch that's hard to find in most strains ... I have not pop these for that reason .. I don't want them to stretch and change this trait this hybrid is a few shades lighter then the G13 base strain ,but what is funny about the tight nude spacing is the most likely strain in its past that has that trait was in fact the Thai . 9-10or higher with native Thai . but the branches are even spaced in most Thai I have seen ...and that's what makes the AB1399 look this way . tight or lose nudes vs even spacing of the nudes ..you can shorten the plant height but often that makes the spacing uneven .. in this case it dose not .. I can only believe its a native Thai trait ,one of the things that gets me about this strains it its abilities to change its structure and traits to fit a grow environment ,it changes so easy it is easy to be confused to what it will do next ...I don't know how to explain that .. its stable as long as you don't give it a reason to change ... I know that sounds crazy but its very true with this strain ...you just said something that made me think about the best G13 I ever saw ... I said to my self . the spacing of nudes was close on that G13 but it was a Polly, trifold..., I wonder if that's how a OLR is different from a LR .. see the longer a Land race was in one place a storm or environmental condition could cause a trifold and it would collected but the land race ,see what I thinking ... tight nudes show up on trifold ...what if this strain converts the trait to a useable trait it can use like tight nudes ...this is interesting because I have never seen a female hermaphrodite in this strain ,I saw it make female seed with banana in late flowering ,I even saw its male turn female and make both male and female gender on the same plant ..I think I under stand why it dose that .. there were no female gender plants in this strain ..it didn't need a female gender to reproduce ,now we are getting some where .. most trifold are mostly female ,it must be converting the trifold traits to tight nude traits because it never needed female gender traits like the trifold has ...and when we think about like that we know the trifold is often showing stronger male traits ....that's the same thing the native Thai dose in its own way ...so what your seeing is male dominate strait traits if a strain starts casting trifold ......the strain would be out of balance and start producing trifold to build stronger growth in the Land Race . but it dose not know it is being controlled by selection so its reacting to the un balanced genders we are creating in the selection patterns ....
I think I am correct and I will tell you why . say you cross two strains . and they start showing trifold in the off spring . the two strains are female dominate strains and the un balanced hybrid cast trifold to correct the loss of male traits now look at the F! ...bingo ...!this is the real reason F1 show the best traits at time when the genders are balanced in each of the two strains crossed ,see if you take two even balanced strains with stable genders they don't fight each other when crossed .. this is the real reason we see a F1 react the way it dose in some cases ...and not in others ...this is the true difference between Land race and controlled strain breeding ,see in the OLR it never cast female gender because it no longer needed it to stay strong ..see even if it did produce a trifold it would be less then .1 or 2 % of the total number of plants in the given mass of the LR ,so they would be consumed bu the mass over time ,making a true isolated male dominate strain base ,this is just wild data . it is telling us why the OLR was not the same as other LR ,because the OLR had consumed trifold over a long span of time ...and became a true male dominate strain base ,its telling the other side of the story that has been lost to the modern world ...it doesn't produce female traits like are modern strains do .. it produced female trifold and they could only be pollenated by the male dominate strain traits and those traits were like female hermaphrodite and only made male seed ...how the pieces fit together when they are put in the correct order ....
do you under stand what I was saying . when you get a good F1 the strains are trying to cast Trifold ,the F1 cast variation to produce trifold to correct the gender in balance...this is why back crossing and cubing works ...if you leave the back cross cube open ended it throws the gender balance one way or the other ..see what I am saying when back crossing your building both genders even if your looking for a past female gender you produce off spring that reflect stronger male traits in the sequence of building the past parents strain traits ..,so what your seeing is strain traits vs the stabilization of the two genders with in the strain and the balance between them ...
 
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Tazz11

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tripping my balls off .. I have been testing the leaf of the AB1399.. and trying to find out why its leafs get you so high .. and I came up with something interesting . I am high as moon right now ...I took 3 hits off a joint I roll for this test ..put some normal fan leafs in a tin box and let them dry over a few weeks .. then broke up the leaf and rolled a joint ..I have a few theories of why the leafs get you so high ..its much like when you leave the bud on the plant and dry the whole plant and the weed taste better and gets you a better high .. that's the basics ..but my test went farther down the rabbit hole then that ..I took microscopic pics of what I found ..check out these pics ..from what observe the crystal that forms on the leafs is more refine then what builds on the buds ..I am sorry if I am drifting some . I really to high right now but this is interesting you know how the lower leafs turn yellow as the buds start to grow .. well the buds are drawing the sap from the leafs and feeding the bud growth , but something else is taking place as those resins work their way threw the plant structure they lose some of their qualities and only given types of the cannibal past threw and reach the buds .. where dose the real good stuff end . trapped in the leafs them self's . and the leafs dry the resins turn to crystal in a white milky sugar looking type resin .. if you were to collect this type of leaf resin and produce it into a use able crystal you will end up with the crystal I posted about a few weeks ago ..for some reason the AB1399 makes this leaf resin in almost a pure crystal when collected .. and the test prove the leafs of the AB1399 are very close in effects and high as the 1973 Toronto Sheba .. the high is just out right kill .. right on the edge of tripping balls ...I can relate to the high . it is the same high as the native Thai with out the tingly feeling . that over powering numbing effect starting at the mouth and face and going threw the whole body slow and having that out of body high .. just a nice way to get baked to the bone ...great med weed ...this shit well rock you to the core ...I think I know what's happening the resin on leafs is not the same as the resin on the buds ...different effects close but not the same effects ...I was going to take another hit but I can not get my self to take it right now .. to fucked up ...lol the leaf is killer weed ...I did notice something odd about the resin on the leafs , it dose not turn amber like the resin on the buds . it stays a milky white crystal color and when the leafs are totally dry the resin is still milk white . the buds some how effect the resin they produce . two types of resin .. IMHO
 
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Tazz11

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I am still high coming up on 4 hours yes the bud has a high of about 85% but the leaf has a high and effect I would rate about 98% . the leaf is with out a doubt stronger then the bud .., I have been trying to under stand how this is possible ..in this strain it works a little different .. as the plant stem and branches dry out they force resin into the leafs the buds react the same as most strains do , bud the leafs soak up the resin and the resin becomes trapped in the leafs as the leafs dry they squeeze the resin out to the surface of the leaf and create these crystal bubbles on the leaf surfaces ...it some times has so much resin it looks like ice on the leafs the bud is strong with a clear high with no upper end . but the leafs are out right stronger with a numbing effect that takes you right to the edge of tripping ...two totally different types of buzz from one plant .. next step I will try to isolate the rock crystal from the leafs and see if I can mass produce the crystal in a more effect way ...I am still high 4 hours latter from 3 normal size hits from a normal size joint ... ... this is a breeder strain and I will test how it crosses out with the king tut and make fem seed of both strain and both crosses ..,I am setting a side one King tut and the two AB1399 that I was using for testing to make seed from ..don't miss under stand what this test is . these are not just the sugar leaf . these are the fan leafs of this strain .. not the sugar leafs ..!its like getting kicked in the face .." I have to come right out and say this is the strongest strain I have ever seen ....! " I don't inhale any more and just blow it out my noise . this is how much you need for a 4-5 hour high ...its a Flash creeper , 15-20 minutes to the full rush ,3 hits was almost to much ...
 
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Storm Shadow

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You have a low tolerance bro... No weed on Earth from smoking Joints could do the things to me that you claim ....I also think your out of your mind with all this shit you spew on about

Dude you get high for 5 hours off leaves ... OK

No Concentrate could keep me high that long or even for half that duration .. only edibles posses this type of long type of high ...

Low Tolerance my man
 

Dawgfunk

Active member
abducted @14 weeks flower...

each one of these florettes will make you trip balls like the best LSD you've had, for over 12 hours... each calyx is covered in microscopic THC crystals
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this plant will be preserved in hypostasis, a form of suspendid animation and regular experimental trials conducted... possibly a lifetime of work will be needed for this strain base to be properly understood.

NO YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT!!!!

Beautiful! This may have been mentioned...I’m just now checking this thread out...but I wonder what this strain would do under one of those new lights w the gps location sun dialed in to it...what is it, a photon light? Anyway, 14 weeks!! Wow. Looks like she could go another 10!!
 

Tazz11

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You have a low tolerance bro... No weed on Earth from smoking Joints could do the things to me that you claim ....I also think your out of your mind with all this shit you spew on about

Dude you get high for 5 hours off leaves ... OK

No Concentrate could keep me high that long or even for half that duration .. only edibles posses this type of long type of high ...

Low Tolerance my man
... so your saying the strain dose not exist because you said so .. ok . thread is over . I don't exist and the strain dose not exist because he said so .. !
 
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Donald Mallard

el duck
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well taz when you make outrageous claims ,
expect to cop some flack ...



its cool that your passionate about your work ,
but it would really pay to do some study man..
 
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