18 Days old and slacking

[Keger]

I started my babies 18 days ago. I used the paper towel method and then were placed in 16oz keg cups, cups contains ProMix soil. They are under a 400 watt MH that is on an 18 and 6. They were great for the first few days, then they started to have sagging leaves and getting a bit yellow for my liking. I took the temp from the bottom of the room and it was in the high 80's lower 90's when the light was on. At first i thought the soil was just too hot and thats why there were stunted. I raised the light and for the past 10 days the temp has been 70. Seven days ago i gave them a tea consisting of 2/3 cup worm castings, 3 tablespoons of molasses, and 3 gallons water. This is what they look like now. Thanks for reading my post, and thank you for any replies. I am getting a PH tester tomorrow. Ive grown 3 seasons now with good success, but this is my first indoor grow.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Looks like your soil mix could have used some perlite.

Seedlings appear starving. Start applying a weak dose of npk + micros. IF you don't have pure blend pro, gh, advanced etc...quality nutes... you can find something at lowes or home depot. Look for low urea/ammonia fert but high in nitrate nitrogen. It should contain all the micros iron, zinc, copper (lol), boron, molybdenum, and manganese. It should be free of chlorine and not use potassium chloride. Somebody mentioned finding 20-10-20 at lowes that fit this description. That might be ideal. A dash of epsom salts like 1/4 teaspoon per gallon can provide a dose of sulfur. There is dolomite lime in your soil mix. Now the seedlings are getting complete nutrition.

Ideal ph range for promix is 5.6 to 6.2 Adjust your fert water after mixing to about 5.8 to 6 This will prevent surprises.

You can test the ph of your soil mix and find out what its doing by waiting 30 minutes after a thorough watering. Then, apply a small amount of distilled water to the pot/cup. About a ounce of runoff should occur...test this ph. Ph test strips from the aquarium section of a petstore or brew your own beer/wine store can be used in a pinch if you dont have a meter to test liquids (i sugggest you invest in one)

When watering, ensure that 20% of your fert water pours out the bottom of the cups. This prevents excess salt buildup. Allow the pots to dry out well but not to the wilting point.

Clf= constant liquid feed; apply weak ferts with every watering...this will ensure a constant supply of nutrients rather than a periodic jerk.

You should keep the 400 watt hid about 12-18 inches from the tops. If you see stretching, lower the light slightly.

Good luck!

 

[Guest]

This plant is overwatered! Blackvelvet Get the fuck outta here!

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Looks overwatered to me too...how often are you watering and how much?

 

[Keger]

At first i was watering them through the tray, fillling the tray and letting the soil suck it up into the cups. I think the first couple times i gave them too much too often. I was trying something new and i didnt like it so i switched 2 waterings ago. Since then i have been adding them through the top and waiting 3 days. The new growth from today looks alittle greener, but some of the tips seemed to be greyish and crispy.

 

[Guest]

At first i was watering them through the tray, fillling the tray and letting the soil suck it up into the cups. I think the first couple times i gave them too much too often. I was trying something new and i didnt like it so i switched 2 waterings ago. Since then i have been adding them through the top and waiting 3 days. The new growth from today looks alittle greener, but some of the tips seemed to be greyish and crispy.

You need to wait until the soil completely dries before you water again. Never water the way your were doing. good thing you stopped!

 

[Keger]

I will wait a couple days, i watered 2 days ago. Like i said half are looking alot greener and the leaves look stronger. Should my next watering be a tea? Or should i wait a bit? The tea would be 3 gallons, 1/8 cup worm castings, 1/8 cup High N bat guano, 1/8 cup SBG, and 3 tables spoons molasis. Thank you. Ill post new pics when they get alittle better.

 

[Guest]

I would say yea feed them the tea. They should be hungry at this stage in life. Just wait untill they are dry. You will know when the plants new growth starts to take off again they should be ready for waster/tea.

 

[Blackvelvet]

I will wait a couple days, i watered 2 days ago. Like i said half are looking alot greener and the leaves look stronger. Should my next watering be a tea? Or should i wait a bit? The tea would be 3 gallons, 1/8 cup worm castings, 1/8 cup High N bat guano, 1/8 cup SBG, and 3 tables spoons molasis. Thank you. Ill post new pics when they get alittle better.

Reread my instructions carefully. Ask Sticky icky icky if they work. I'm not sure what sbg is but it appears you lack potassium. Its needed as much as nitrogen or more. Seaweed like maxicrop might be a source. I highly suggest going the inorganic route and get a npk fert with micros. Sure is alot of static on this line. Pm me if you get in trouble.

 

[Guest]

If you follow this ^^^^ advice you will have lots of problems. Why are you misleading people blackvelvet? Will you people reading this guys posts speak up and tell this guy to stop MISLEADING people! THIS NOT A LACK OF POTASSIUM!! HOW COULD YOU EVEN POST THIS GARBAGE AND ONLY A FEW OF US CALL YOU ON IT?

 

[Blackvelvet]

^^^ It's a lack of ferts in general that is the problem. Who said potassium deficiency is the problem? His fert plan lacks a strong source of potassium. Your actions violate the terms of agreement at icmag. Try to contribute something original to help this new grower rather than try to belittle me or copy what has already been said or mentioned or suggested.

 

[Guest]

^^^ It's a lack of ferts in general that is the problem. Who said potassium deficiency is the problem? His fert plan lacks a strong source of potassium. Your actions violate the terms of agreement at icmag. Try to contribute something original to help this new grower rather than try to belittle me or copy what has already been said or mentioned or suggested.

Are you kidding me?? REREAD THIS THREAD!

 

[Nikijad4210]

Haze, notice he also claims Epsom provides sulfur, too (*cough* bullshit *cough*) Last time he mentioned Epsom, he said to use it for an MG deficiency that didn't exist.

Which is it, Sprout? Epsom (aka MG) for MG deficiency, or MG as sulfur? Can't be both.

Frickin' idiot, man, I swear.....

 

[Nikijad4210]

A dash of epsom salts like 1/4 teaspoon per gallon can provide a dose of sulfur.

Yeaaaaaah. MG (Epsom) is not sulfur, pal.

 

[Guest]

I completely overlooked that! LMFAO!!!

 

[Guest]

The kid was obviously over watering guys, settle down. This isn't a deficiency...

He had cups sitting in trays and would flood the trays...
AKA Overwatering

I gotta ask ya Keger, who the hell told you to water like that?
Or did you think of that by yourself? Get a good book... and follow it like a bible... don't make up your own ways... and don't listen to other people... just get a book.

It's like you or someone else read about a Hydro setup that flood the table/tray lol... and tried to do it with soil... hehehehhee

 

[Supacalabala]

I'm no expert but the bag of epsom salt I have says 12.9% total sulfur

 

[Nikijad4210]

I'm no expert but the bag of epsom salt I have says 12.9% total sulfur

The box of Epsom I have doesn't list sulfur. Maybe it's an additive in some brands? Dunno, never seen it listed on any before.

 

[Guest]

I think a certain brand does contain sulfer? I dont use that shit so I cant be sure. I hate epsom salt. I think molasses is much better. But thats just me.

 

[Supacalabala]

The box of Epsom I have doesn't list sulfur. Maybe it's an additive in some brands? Dunno, never seen it listed on any before.

I got it at wallyworld cheap for like $3 . It's brand name is Pennington . It acually has more sulfur in it than magnesium (acording to the label)

MG 9.8%
Sulfur 12.9%