12/12 from seed questions

[Roor22]

Pots have nothing to do with how bid a plant will get unless you get root bound and it unlikely unless it's been in a very small pot for the size of the plant for a very long time. It's like saying you want a smaller pet so you throw it in a smaller cage and hopefully it stops growing...

 

[corky1968]

Pots have nothing to do with how bid a plant will get unless you get root bound and it unlikely unless it's been in a very small pot for the size of the plant for a very long time. It's like saying you want a smaller pet so you throw it in a smaller cage and hopefully it stops growing...

doams is trying to control the size of his plants.

Smaller pots will help with that. It may not be the only solution but it's one.

What should he do then?

 

[chronosync]

Now that I understand a little better your goal because most people are going for the opposite. Damn no-one comes on here HELP MY PLANTS ARE GROWING GOOD.

You are trying to bide some time in the hopes that your plants will be sexually mature before they outgrow their space. Simple enough. Except in my experience plants will do their own thing in their own time. Like Ents, or your own biology.

I guess what I would do is to keep low watt flouro, like 20w/sqf or less and feed them @ 3/4 or even 1/2 strength whatever you would normally be giving. This will stunt them and gain you some time while the plant matures hormonally. You will be retarding both developments, size and maturity. My GUESS is that the plant will flower eventually no matter how large in size.

If you try it this way your going to send them into flower in a sick condition. Maybe they will snap out of it and bud just fine once they get what they need.

What I would do is to start them on bloom nutes low low ec, low watts for three weeks @ 16/8
Then weather they have shown sex or not flip to 12/12, start increasing feed and hope they bloom nice and quick.

The other option is to just let them be and whatever can't be trained gets amputated.

 

[doams]

I meant pots of 4 or 6 inches in size.

1 inch = 2.54 cm

4 inch = 10.16 cm

6 inch = 15.24 cm

thx for clearing this had no idea

 

[chronosync]

What are you growing in? Coco will give you 6 footers out of a yogurt cup.

 

[doams]

thx guys.
little update not so good news tho.

they are like 2inches close to light and no pistils yet so bye bye main colas
will have to tie em down and lst the s. out of em they simply grow like crazy mofos even without any nutes at all exept tiny bit phosphorus from ph down.
how is that possible?

anyway cant keep em like dis /alredy 5cm from lights/ there will be flower stretch etc. they will be tied and lsted like 2cm above soil and then they shoot some shoots which will have some time to reach lights or these shoots will be also tied/lsted etc.

next round will be using only one 25w cfl or something coz very first time same strain got like 20cm in height at the end of flower. looks like this was a failed try to reproduce that first try. only thing which was done diferently was this time that bloody ph down was used first time there was some distiled water very acidic so ended up giving bit of baking soda but wanted to use tap water now and by the looks of it that ph down caused em to grow like f. lunatic mofos.

 

[doams]

What are you growing in? Coco will give you 6 footers out of a yogurt cup.

yep coco 2 and 3 litre pots.

 

[betshtick]

He's right.

Tricks to Stop Stretch.

As much light as possible as close as possible without burning.
Higher temp at lights off than lights on.
keep bending and tying down. Try not to supercrop or top when going 12/12 from seed.
there are additives available that also claim to help with stretch. never used so can not attest to whether they work or not.

^^ good info. I ran 25 plants in a 5x5, 12/12 from seed. The ones on the edges that I didn't need to top developed big colas comparable to normally vegged plants. The ones in the middle that were closer to the light were either topped or supercropped and none of them performed well. The supercropped plants got bushy and unruly, with lots of small, leafy buds. They basically choked out the topped plants which were nothing but larf. Still pulled 2lbs from one light with no veg time, so I'm convinced of the potential of this method.

Regarding stretch stoppers, I have used them and they are effective, but I haven't tried it with 12/12 from seed. It might happen this run, though. I'm running 2/8 lights 12/12 from seed this run and it's a tall strain

My favorite things about 12/12 from seed is that it's a great plan B if something goes wrong in veg lol. A full flower room is only 3 days away.

 

[chronosync]

pH down you're using is Phosphoric Acid? Just curious. And its also possible your plants just want to grow regardless of what you feed them.

At this point it seems like you should just let them go and try to set it up for the best bud set possible with some room to grow. I don't know it's a tough call.

 

[doams]

The other option is to just let them be and whatever can't be trained gets amputated.

a bit drastic have some exp about that but in that exp plant didnt make it. last time brutally abused heri by taking few leaves like each two days for vaping /and it was surprisingly potent no complain about potency of even leaves/ lsting supercroping the s. out of her cuting like crazy and it was too much she overgrow the place in half litre pot anyway no matter what but got drowned in the same pot for 3days which was the last drop to her suffering
and that was the reason to choose 2liter pot this round maybe thats a bit too big for coco considering the height limit of dis space
will have to test and measure every gram of coco used and compare results or something untill it will be eventually done?

dont want to use any other medium like "soil" maybe to add something to coco to make it harder for the plant roots to grow? but what to add like stones or something hard like pieces of rock?

that would stop dem from growing like crazy a bit
yes?

 

[corky1968]

I hope next time you get a bigger place to grow in.

 

[doams]

pH down you're using is Phosphoric Acid? Just curious. And its also possible your plants just want to grow regardless of what you feed them.

At this point it seems like you should just let them go and try to set it up for the best bud set possible with some room to grow. I don't know it's a tough call.

yes its ph down for bloom phase there is another one for grow phase but decided its not for this kind of micro space so went with the bloom ph down.

using this one:
http://www.advancedhydroponics.nl/advanced/index.php/GB/products/ph-adjusters

no complains its better than GH. it will last stable for days in the bottle mix.
GH one fluctuates the ph on next day.
not this one

 

[Dakine]

Instead of rocks what about perlite and/or vermiculite?

EDIT- Also do you have any updated pics of them after you trained them/tied them down? Maybe if there's room for improvement someone could chime in?

 

[chronosync]

yep coco 2 and 3 litre pots.

2 - 3 litre should be good for any smallish to largeish plants. I'm not sure what you mean by drowning them in small pots. I've only drowned coco because of the opposite. Too big of containers.

 

[chronosync]

How big is your space again? Have you checked out the micro sub forum? Those guys do amazing things.

 

[MicroRoy]

How big is your space again? Have you checked out the micro sub forum? Those guys do amazing things.

I would second that.

 

[doams]

How big is your space again? Have you checked out the micro sub forum? Those guys do amazing things.

not big height is like 40cm pot was in another one for water leak/drain and that got flooded and water transfered back to medium so medium was drowned swiming in water for few days found out few days later meawhile keept watering like crazy mofo , blame the head stupidity

yeah checking those forum parts but most of guys use lst supercropping over there anyway so guess thats the way to do it for now. no big deal but wanted single colas oh well..

 

[Organiks]

Sounds like good experiment to me

 

[doams]

last update:

topped heri like half top of plant is gone down to like 2nd node will need to top again for sure maybe several times due to her overgrowing the lights and shes not in flower yet that f. bitch.
tied down acapulcos one of dem is too big even now tied down so thinking about topping that one too.

another thing thats been noticed: acapulcos smell kinda significantly and they are not in flower yet.
very strange! coz from another run remember she doesnt smelled that much or maybe she did need to investigate further.. currently looking into eliminating the smell big issue when you got ppl coming over..

idea for meditation:
you alone in an intergalactic ship traveling for whole lifetime alone but you are not that alone and you are happy coz you grow weed in that ship a lot of weed more than you can smoke lol.

looks like the end of the thread since this is kinda fail alredy due to dem got too big.
will start another thread maybe next run the goal will be mf. dwarf plants with main colas getting em as small as possible! think bonsai mini micro tiny microscopic /lol/ plants stunted deficient light deprived tortured but just untill flower then switch to max. know that some guys would not recommend this but will prove its good..
lol.


untill next time thx all and grow in peace.
if possible you are very very lucky if not grow too and be safe!

 

[chronosync]

Welp sorry your having a hard time, but since you are topping you may as well clone them and if you grow any of those clones out to be mother's they all will be ready to flower from the go..

Good luck keep growing