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100% Undeniable Proof that LEO is Watching Hydro Shops!

Garden store and the pot police

Narc squad keeps eye on grow-light buyers, and that riles owner

Tuesday, March 14, 2000

By KRISTIN DIZON Mail Author
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

BELLEVUE -- If you met Bob Cronk, you'd probably think the mild-mannered, soft-spoken man with deep blue eyes and a passion for all things horticultural was an accountant.

You'd be right.

You might see him as the kind of guy who runs for City Council.

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Bob Cronk with some hydroponic growing systems and a grow light, right, equipment he sells in his Eastside garden-supply shop.
Daniel Sheehan/P-I


Right again. Cronk ran last November, but got only 40 percent of the vote. That makes him accustomed to a certain level of public scrutiny.

But Cronk runs a garden supply business that has been a target of another kind of scrutiny -- police surveillance.

Cronk's Green Gardens store has become a magnet for the Eastside Narcotics Task Force, which has made cases leading to more than 100 convictions for marijuana-related offenses just by watching Cronk's store and investigating his customers, according to an affidavit from one recent case.

The task force is a joint effort by the Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond and Mercer Island police and sometimes includes a federal Drug Enforcement Agency representative. Last year it seized more than $3.5 million in drugs and $1.3 million in assets, and in the past two years has had a 100 percent conviction rate in cases involving search warrant execution, said Marcia Harden, a Bellevue police spokeswoman.

The task force declined to say how many people have been followed from Cronk's store, but Harden said detectives aren't camping out in the parking lot.

"They're too busy just to sit there and follow people around," she said.


"They (Green Gardens) specialize in hydroponics and that's somewhat difficult to find. . . . It just makes the detectives' jobs easier to have a place like that, that supplies equipment where there's a decent chance they're using it to do something illegal."

Brian Daggett, a Bellevue police officer and task force member, declined to be interviewed in detail for this story, but said, "There are other stores that sell indoor grow equipment, but I'm not sure how dirty the customers are."

But Cronk, 45, said he feels harassed by officers who have been watching his business.

It is news to Cronk that his store -- a small, plain shop in an industrial strip mall on Bel-Red Road -- may have a reputation as a popular place for pot cultivators.

Cronk said he doesn't cultivate marijuana or associate with those who do.

About once a year someone inquires at the shop about growing cannabis and is promptly asked to leave, he said.

"I don't know anything about the drug culture," he said. "We want to be known as a place that has some of the best and most innovative products for gardening. We don't want to be known as the place for dope growing."

He estimates his shop sees 500 to 1,000 customers every month, but he sells mostly wholesale to retailers.

"People shopping here shouldn't have to worry about having their door broken down. People shouldn't be suspects for buying garden supplies here," Cronk said. "It's nobody's damn business what you buy here, anymore than what you walk out of the drugstore with."

He says he doesn't know what he can do about it, but he wonders why the task force is focusing on his store when there are several within a half-mile radius that stock similar wares.

Harden acknowledges that other nearby stores sell the same items, but Green Gardens concentrates on hydroponics.

"For us the advantage is that's all they sell," she said.

Wearing a crisply pressed white shirt, black jeans and bright, scuff-free white tennis shoes, Cronk's voice takes on a reverent, ministerial tone when he extols the virtues of hydroponic, or dirt-free, growing.

Hydroponic gardening is faster, more efficient and produces better flavors in produce, Cronk said. He knows that some of the same equipment -- high-watt lights, odor-cleansing ozonators and metal light hoods to direct heat downward, among other items -- are also commonly used to grow marijuana.

But they're all legal products with legitimate purposes, he and others say. And they want to know why Green Gardens is under the microscope.

"He's in their neighborhood, so it's easy for them," said Jeff Steinborn, a local lawyer who largely represents clients who face marijuana charges. "That is the only store I have seen busts come out of."

Attorney Bob Leen once represented a client who was nabbed after being followed from Green Gardens.

"The police are engaging in something that I'd call targeting," Leen said. "The police have no prior suspicion of them (the customers). They're saying that the fact that people go to this store is enough to justify checking them out."

Sheila Weirth, a King County deputy prosecuting attorney assigned to the task force full-time, said following people home is a common tactic.

"(Police) don't have to have probable cause to start following anyone. What you do is exposed to the public -- the police can watch that," she said.

Detectives then develop further evidence of marijuana growing by checking near the residence for the strong, distinct odor of the plant and finding out if electric bills are much higher than average -- an indication that high-watt grow lights are in use.

"You could be growing tomatoes or orchids with these, but we've never found that," Weirth said.

But people like Judy LaPlante say police aren't always right.

LaPlante, a regular Green Gardens customer who lives just outside of Bellevue, said she recently saw a King County Sheriff's car cruising back and forth in front of her house. The avid gardener suspects the officer was interested in the 1,000-watt bulb in her greenhouse, where she raises flowers and keeps a turtle tank warm.

"I like to build things. If I go out to Eagle Hardware, is somebody going to follow me and see if I have legal permits to build something?" LaPlante said. "Where do you draw the line?"

Cronk wonders the same thing.

"If we outlaw anything with a possible illegal use, then we'd have to outlaw everything," he said. "This is like trying to stop poaching by controlling the sale of fishing supplies."
Garden store and the pot police
 
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Cronk sure doesn't know a thing about growing marijuana. We need reflectors that can be ventilated to keep the heat Off the plants not "metal light hoods" that "direct" the heat Down on it ... The lumens on the other hand are welcome!

It's fucked up that they have netted weed growers using these tactics. Be careful everyone everywhere!
 
They have netted 100 growers from a single hydro shop!

They have multiple counties involved, along with a DEA agent, to watch a single hydro shop!

I can't believe I never saw this article before.

I am 100% convinced that any store can, and probably will be, under surveillance now.
 
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Nice post sorry to hear it. What someone needs to do. Is get a AWESOME lawyer. Setup a indoor grow and stock the HELL out of it with tons and i mean tons of VEGGIES and have the local news channel on speed dial and lawyer. Then sue the HELL out of the LEO involved in the bust. That will send a message not to follow people home from that store. I know that's what i would do. Have tons of killer vegggies growing and say they are for family and friends. Boy, would that look good on the local news. You know they lie when the ask the judge for the search warrant and this would be perfect and really bight them in the ass. Telling them that not all hydroponic growers are potheads. Not like there is anything wrong with being one, but this would be some major pay back.
Take care and be safe.
BG
 
Last year it seized more than $3.5 million in drugs and $1.3 million in assets, and in the past two years has had a 100 percent conviction rate in cases involving search warrant execution, said Marcia Harden, a Bellevue police spokeswoman.

They are bringing in 1.3 million a year in assets alone watching a single hydro shop.

That isn't counting court costs, fines etc.

I don't think getting sued is going to be a deterrent.

Especially considering 100% of the houses they search are turning out to be marijuana grow houses.

That alone tells me that these kind of programs have become much more popular in the last seven years.
 
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people tell you to get in there, get your shit and leave for a reason.
 

PazVerdeRadical

all praises are due to the Most High
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word is bond moose eater, know your enemy, know yourself, that is the policy.
much peace and light. how's the winter going btw?

edit: btw, stay always a few steps ahead of leo, get all your stuff from different places, from all over the place. you can order a light bolb from canada, another thing from mexico, another from spain, another you buy locally, and gather all your indoor needs this way. lets see them trying to math out that if every indoor grower does that.

peace
 
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Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
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What a great initiative. They should also surveil gun stores, in case someone might buy a gun that could be used to commit a crime.

And they should monitor hardware stores, in case someone would buy tools to commit burglary.

They should in fact watch all stores, since shoplifting is the #1 crime.

The best thing would be to install a microchip in every human being and surveil us all constantly, so that we don't risk doing something the State doesn't agree to.
 

PazVerdeRadical

all praises are due to the Most High
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very good to hear about the dog mr. moose, those dogs have so much style too :D
but yikes! those temps give me chills :D

mr. cheeks, yes, what else can the poor state do? we the people seem to be stepping out of line hehehe

peace
 
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this is fucked up. makes me wonder if buying your gear online could be the safer route?
 
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You know I always feared that would eventually start happening. As a matter of fact , I did once stop by a hydro store, pick up a few things and as I was walking through the parking lot back to my truck, noticed a squad car sitting across the street, I don't know if he was radaring speeders or keeping an eye on the grow shop , but I certainly didn't stick around to find out. That sucks because not all of us have credit cards to order supplies online, plus it's so much easier just running up to grow store for something you need. If he was watching the grow store ,the only thing that probably saved me was that the grow shop was located in a city far away from where I live. That is bad news, they will just keep trying to tighten the noose tighter and tighter so that it will be damn near impossible for us to get the supplies we need. Tell ya what, I already have experimented and found everything I need at Lowes and Home Depot, just in case grow shop survelliance becomes a standard police practice. I would encourage others to seek out alternatives to shopping at grow shops , as you really don't know who might be watching you with great interest, slowly letting you fall into the trap they have set for you. Yeah, that's bummer news.
 

PazVerdeRadical

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i wonder what would happen if someone purposely went to a hydro shop to buy stuff and sort of "accidentally" start slipping clues about growing mj, while using all the equip to grow tomatos, then fuzz appears with a warrant and all, assured they got you, and what do you know? all u got is tomatos.
what would happen then?
 
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moose eater said:
Paz wrote:
>>>i wonder what would happen if someone purposely went to a hydro shop to buy stuff and sort of "accidentally" start slipping clues about growing mj<<<

Nearly 20 years ago I proposed something similar to what Billy Goat/Gold Dust Women said earlier in this thread, Paz.

Many of these cases don't involve police assistance from inside the store; typically only those stores where the operators have gotten their nards caught in a vice, or where the store has actually been taken over by LEO, involve inside-store snitching.

If there were inside store police work going on, then your legal claim to damages might be diminished considerably by the fact that you directly hinted at growing mary-do-ya'-wanna'.

The case I referred to earlier, on a personal basis, involved someone carrying a large umbrella hood out of the store; they're often looking for larger purchases indicative of a 'good catch.' i.e., someone purchasing 2-3 ballasts or more at one time, someone with a JC Penny's size shopping bag filled with $100.00 bulbs, etc. High dollar purchases that would indicate that if they follow that person home, they're gonna' score more than a 1/4 oz. and some schwagg.

In the event of similar outside-store surveillance, and a person with a basement set up with very expensive canteloupes (Mmmmmmmm!), providing that the fascisti were watching closely at the right time, and the person made a large purchase, that individual might have a chance to smear some serious egg on a Piggy's face, as did that woman in California a few years back who was raided simply based on high utility bills. It turned out that she had like 5 or 6 kids, and her laundry machines were going non-stop.

You'd also need to make darned sure that nothing happened that might justify (even remotely) LEO squeezing a trigger, as collecting your damages would be the latter half of the game, and spending it while dead would be tough.

But I still think that there's potential to that angle.

You'd then have to battle with concepts like 'good faith' and 'limited/qualified immunity.'

Who couldn't use a nice interior re-decorating on the fascisti's dime?? I could dig it...

moose eater


Hey Moose, i think setting up a reverse sting on LEO would show that these LEO don't know what the hell they are talking about. Just think about it for a minute. Say, i setup a KILLER Organic Veggie grow. I get ti going very good. I hit the local farmer's market and start selling veggie to all the locals. Get them hooked for a couple of months and offer alot of killer stuff. Then once i got a good group of return customer's at the farmer's market. I start doing my own scouting missions. I find out what stores are really under large amounts of LEO pulling intel. Once i know which ones. I've already got a top notch lawyer on retainer. I head over to the store under LEO watch full eye and buy alot of supply's. I leave the store with a ton of need Nutz, bulbs, etc and try to get a store clerk to help out. LEO see's you leaving the store with all this shit. They then follow you and know your location. They will check power bill and see it's high and other BS. After that, you know they are going to come knocking. Once they server you and let's hope they don't shoot you. They are going to tear the place apart and what to their surprise do they find. VEGGIES, at this point and time or just before. You ask for your lawyer. BAM, you got them by the balls. I know this is just me talking, but it's a idea. I think if planned well and done right. I think someone is going to be alittle bit richer after this bust and also have the city looking at these LEO for not doing a better job. Plus, you get every paper and news channel in on this bust. It's over for that police department for sure. Well, this is my 2 cents and be ranting.
Take care and be safe,
BG
 
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Hey Moose, I was just ranting and wishing the cards would turn on these assholes. You don't even want to know what i really wish on these assholes. It would be a killer movie plot for sure. Just tired and thinkin out load. You take care and stay warm
Later,
BG

PS, I could careless about these assholes. I'm heading to Spain in the spring. Life will be alot nicer and sweeter soon enough.
Night
 
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Hey Moose, it's not "If". I will be there by spring time. Just going to take some time in the winter months to find a house and buy. I'm done and heading to Euro. I'll make sure to do so and smoke some of the Morocco Black hash for you.
Night,
BG
 

billycw

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this is how they got me. saw me carrying a co2 tank out of hydro store. thats it. i know now they were not survaing it from the inside. dont exactly know where they were sitting but i suspect from another store front. from there they followed me home. i should have payed more attintion to my surroundings. please every one follow protical.

dont drive your car to the shop.
dont go directly home
watch whos behind you
go down side streets and see if you have a tail
make a day of it and go hiking or dinner and a movie

anything to save your self your freedom. stay safe everyone. your at war and you may not know it.
 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
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Somehow news isnt quite so scary when its seven years old.

" Tuesday, March 14, 2000 "
 

ItsGrowTime

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Verite said:
Somehow news isnt quite so scary when its seven years old.

" Tuesday, March 14, 2000 "

Eh I dunno. Based on billycw's post right above yours, its still a problem and a good reality check for everyone.
 
Yes, I don't think they have slowed down hydro shop surveillance at all, especially considering how successful it is.

It has probably gotten worse in seven yours actually.
 

NiteTiger

Tiger, Tiger, burning bright...
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Ahhh, I'm so thankful that my hydro shop is a combo... Sells other things besides hydro equipment.

That, and it's located in a strip mall that has over 40 stores in it :wink:

Just a warning, moose is correct, never assume any car in shopping center is safe. When I used to frequent a large hydro chain in my area (like there are a whole lot of hydro chains) I noticed a 300Z with 20" rims sitting in the parking lot.

Looking closer I could make out LED light bars in the back window.

Didn't stop, and Never went back.
 
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