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10 12 or 15 seeds?

10 12 or 15 seeds?

  • 10 seeds

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • 12 seeds

    Votes: 9 22.0%
  • 15 seeds

    Votes: 25 61.0%

  • Total voters
    41

Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
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Just another silly thread about preferences. 10, 12 or 15 seed packs? It seems like most breeders have settled on the 10 pack as the standard format.

Recently, a few large breeders (I won't mention the names but we know who you are) slashed seed numbers from 15 and 12 to 10 - instead of raising seed prices (which comes out as a price increase anyway). Only a few resist, such as SOL. But for how long?

The reason for the poll is that I'm not at all sure that this is what the customers want. I can't speak for you all, but the poll can, if you vote.

Personally, I think the 10 pack is a step in the wrong direction. Even for a closet grower. If you hypothesize that a 10 pack will give you one or two dead seeds (fairly common), you're left with 8 or 9 seeds. If you speculate on a approximate 50%-50% sex ratio (I leave the feminized seeds out of this reasoning), you're left with 4 or 5 females (most growers grow out females). In most genepools, this isn't enough to find a keeper, and in many it is not enough to find a good expression of the genotype that the breeder wanted you to have (a lot of genetics on sale being unstable).

Genetic variety is quite okay in my book, if it gives you what the ad promised (and you paid for).

Personally, I prefer the 12 pack. It gives you approximately 6 females, which is what I (on average) squeeze in under one 600w, so I can keep one strain under one light.
12's a great number. It's the number of months in a year, it brings less bad luck than 13. How many monkeys were there in "The Army of the Twelve Monkeys"? Twelve, right? And whenever Cornell College girls go mud wrestling, it's always in 12' deep of mud. Not to mention the double 6-pack, a classic.

Not saying no to a 15 pack though. If your initial reaction is to say "well, get two packs then", you missed the point. Customized seed packs would be a smarter invention in that case. You pay per seed, and you state your number.

Thoughts and opinions? Please vote.
 
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Dr Dog

Sharks have a week dedicated to me
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Like anything else in life
You get less for more.
I think a better business practice would be allowing you to decide how much you wanted. You pick the amount. Most seeds are ridiculously over priced anyways, at all the great genetics normally over 300 bones for a 10 pack. 30 bucks a seed? for the possibility of getting a good plant, 2 months from now. Gamble I don;t take very often, fortunately I have really good friends that do not mind passing over some gifts

But I do agree with you, there should be a make your own pack.

Cheers
 
DUH, consumers always want more product for less money, so I'm going with 15! I just purchased my most expensive pack of seeds ever, at $160 for a 10 pack of Sour Diesel IBL. Before that, the most expensive pack I ever bought was Black Dominia and AK-47.
 
G

Guest

people will prolly hate me for saying this, but i think 10 is actually better.

My reasoning is as follows:

10 seeds per pack lets the breeder theoretically charge a little less than a 12 or 15 pack. while not providing as many keepers or maybe even not the pheno you were looking for, you at least get a hold of the genetics and can always do f2 runs to hunt out those phenos that you didn't get.

i can't say i mind 12 seeds sold as a 10 pack. thats how you end up with happy customers right there. i mean....who can complain about 2 seeds not sprouting if they got 2 more than they thought they paid for anyway. buck at AnnaC usually does that and it makes the pack that much better.

If seed producers are going to charge the same price regardless of a 10 or 15 pack, id obviously say 15. but to be honest, i don't think most do.

usually the 15 packs are at least 25% more expensive than a typical 10 pack of the same stuff. so you do get a little more, but for growers on limited budgets like me its great to just be able to buy small quantities of genetics and have some diversity in the collection.

i think i gave about 3 different answers there......................
 

NOKUY

Active member
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well i like even numbers that split well ...."if" you were to get 'em w/ a friend.

when i first got blockhead it was $55 for 15 beans on "heavans stairway" OG

we had enuff pooled w. a buddy to get 3 paks

i kept 22 he kept 23....and he got 100% choice ...they were mailed to his dads house.

i have faired far better than him w/ my beans ....tho all of his fems were primo.

...my blockhead genetics are still in production tho.
 
Rosy Cheeks said:
Personally, I think the 10 pack is a step in the wrong direction. Even for a closet grower. If you hypothesize that a 10 pack will give you one or two dead seeds (fairly common), you're left with 8 or 9 seeds. If you speculate on a approximate 50%-50% sex ratio (I leave the feminized seeds out of this reasoning), you're left with 4 or 5 females (most growers grow out females). In most genepools, this isn't enough to find a keeper, and in many it is not enough to find a good expression of the genotype that the breeder wanted you to have (a lot of genetics on sale being unstable).

Genetic variety is quite okay in my book, if it gives you what the ad promised (and you paid for).

Personally, I prefer the 12 pack. It gives you approximately 6 females, which is what I (on average) squeeze in under one 600w, so I can keep one strain under one light.


Thoughts and opinions? Please vote.

100% agree with you
 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
Veteran
Thats why my seedpacks will always have 15. That and good germ rates, doesnt do any good to have extra beans if they dont pop. I also put date made info on my packs.
 

Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
Veteran
So far, according to the poll, it seems like a majority of growers prefer the 15 pack. The odd thing is, while common a few years ago, today it's almost extinct.
So it kind of seems like breeders don't care much about what growers want.

Except for Verite, and a few others.

I realize selling a 10 pack for $100 instead of 15 pack for $150 is good business policy, you sell more that way.

It's a standard rule in business to sell more for less. By a giant pack of huggies, pay less per huggie than a mini pack. So, when is the Cannabiz going to catch up on this? More seeds bought, pay less per seed. And tell me this seedbanks; if you buy bulk (seeds), what prevents you from selling seeds per unit? Apart from more complex routines in seed handling that is...

Another thing I'd like to see is the 10 pack + 1 or 2 free seeds, to cover for the 1 or 2 that won't pop. I don't remember when I had a 10/10 germination last time, but I think it goes back a couple of years.

I guess it all depends on how much you love your customers :D
 

facelift

This is the money you could be saving if you grow
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I'll go with ten. I haven't bought any seeds, but I would hope that I would be able to produce 40-50 seeds with a ten pack. Like someone said. Out of 10 seeds, 7-8 germinate. 5 or 6 of those plants survive to adulthood.
 
G

Guest

well hell 15 is best...no arguing that...price of a seed is the price of a seed whether 15 or 10 are in the pack...sometimes they cost more than other times like all commodities..peace
 
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Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
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brainthor said:
price of a seed is the price of a seed whether 15 or 10 are in the pack...sometimes they cost more than other times like all commodities..peace

Only in the seedbiz. In all other commercial activities, whether we're talking products or services, big orders take the price down.

Some seedbanks/breeders - such as Greenhouse seed co - sell 5 packs, and of course they charge more per seed than in the 10 packs. But bigger volumes - no reduction.
 
G

Guest

yes but as long as the consumer sees the bottom line which is how much each seed cost him instead of the pack than he will never get ripped off...i wouldnt recommend greenhouse seeds i tested there strain for free and i would have wanted my money back if i had paid
 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
Veteran
Bah, the five seeds packs are like a massage without the happy ending.
 

PoppinFresh

Active member
i think most people are going to go for what's best for them. but i think we ought to do more to get our own seeds from these plants. i see some guys seed their crop by accident and get mad (understably if hermie). but, i see that as opportunity. you got a potentially great cross between two great strains and you'll never have to want for seed again. personally, i'd like to get my hands on a few strains, inbreed them individually to get even more seeds and just basically build up my own personal seed bank. i'd probably keep a 100 seeds, sell off or give away the extras. when i get down to 10, do it again lol.
 

NOKUY

Active member
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if i dont get 100% germ rate i wont buy from that breeder again.

i know how to germ beans, and at those prices..it better germ.

prolly why i'm still an SOL bitch.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
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I have had a horrible time with SOL genetics. I really want Blockhead, but I am 1/25 on germing the seeds that I have gotten from Seedbay. I was 1/10 on Adventure Mix and 2/10 on St#3. On the other hand, I was 4/5 on FS Ice, 11/12 on C-4 and 40/40 on some seeds that I made(Princess Diesel crosses).
 

Nubie Biatch

Active member
I think that 15 seeds is a bit more reasonable because the germ rates are going to drop over time.

I think it's better to have 15 because after a while only 10, 8, or 5 will be viable seeds. It seems that 15 seeds gives us the best chance of getting what we pay for.
$80+ is not cheap.
 

Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
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Sure, but is it as a great number as 12? 12 disciples followed Jesus, but what were there ever 14 of?
 
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