1:1 thc/cbd cultivars for edibles

[Tincandtoke]

Several days into the cold ethanol extraction paper filtered tincture that got reduced into 40ml of coconut oil and made into chocolates
Very little taste with more of the supportive compounds intact, I hope
Did 7 gram chocolates which are too big so the recipe can be halved to 140 grams of chocolate
This recipe yields 40 chocolates From a 14 gram flower extraction
After the fuzzy math I figure 35-50 mg of combined cannabinoids guesstimate



A little thick but not hard to correct

Good reports coming back as expected
Consumer reports easier waking up but waking up a little earlier
My plan is too add CBDV in small amounts in the next batch
Working on getting some testing for my tincture



In the pic, left in the small jar is infused coconut oil that is fully scrubbed
This will be used to make hot buttered syrup combining oil and sugar carriers
One of those concoctions that require you to give up the day
No driving, no power tools, no grilling and remember that beer in your hand is 2 hours old and empty
Its a nightmare to dose
The oil alone is 3000mg and the syrup is the same
Reasoning is to add the buttered syrup in small teaspoon amounts so you can infuse anything
Flip side is that it is hard to determine the time of onset and how potent it will be

Middle is the thc/cbd chocolates
On the right hand end is regular radioactive chocolates
Forgot how many mg I put in but its a lot and I have not had a full day to test them

 

[Tincandtoke]

Small update

Effects wise the simple filtering involving running the tincture through paper and stainless steel cone filters works best

If you can afford it buying the best ingredients helps with masking the "plant" taste
Good dark chocolate makes the candy taste acceptable for non users
$20 will get you plenty of decent bulk chocolate
Used 7 grams per chocolate and thought about cutting it in half but it seems to be a decent amount of bitterness to mask the flavor at this weight



Trying to repurpose the vast number of containers and distributors that I get from the dispensary
By far these were the most requested
Great for carrying and easily dosing a drink or snack
Capable of dispensing oil, syrup or a mixture of the two
Starting to build up as I no longer do hands on care work
Culinary note, I use Monin syrups to flavor my infused simple syrup
These syringes only carry enough to give a hint of flavor

Next fork in the road is terpenes and carbon scrubbing...
After I get some reliable testing done
Getting rid of pesticides and other nasties versus keeping terpenes intact (as much as you can)

Friday morning clientele kush ramble
Caffeine and indicas
Clutch in and foot on the gas

 

[Tincandtoke]

Emptying out the fridge and processing all the left overs
The CBD & CBG tincture will be reduced into coconut oil for ease of use
Have a left over tincture that needs a decarb on the stove top
Chocolates for sleep meds with an extra CBD mixture of pinewalker, Super sour space candy and sour Electra
Big difference in the 1:1 THC/CBD cultivar extraction chocolates and the same extraction chocolates but boosted with the CBD mixture mentioned above

 

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Emptying out the fridge and processing all the left overs
The CBD & CBG tincture will be reduced into coconut oil for ease of use
Have a left over tincture that needs a decarb on the stove top
Chocolates for sleep meds with an extra CBD mixture of pinewalker, Super sour space candy and sour Electra
Big difference in the 1:1 THC/CBD cultivar extraction chocolates and the same extraction chocolates but boosted with the CBD mixture mentioned above

What's the difference?

 

[Tincandtoke]

What's the difference?

The sedation and quality of sleep is greatly improved with the extra CBD added
Through a whole batch of 40 chocolates the report back was the straight 1:1 THC/CBD chocolates under performed compared to the enhanced chocolates
This is anecdotal so take everything with a grain of salt but you can customize the chocolates
Also, the 10% THC is vital to the overall effect
The cultivar I use for the base tincture is thunder struck 10%THC/15%CBD
My dispensary no longer carries it...

 

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Chocolate being infused and readied for the silicon molds
Coming up is the CBD mix and CBG oils being infused into coconut oil
I use a particular silicon mold that I use for dosing to make convenient infused oils and butter to add to meals

 

[Maple_Flail]

So how do you go about figuring out your end potency? and actual ratio?

how many washes did you do on initial extraction? were you monitoring the temperature variance over the hours boiled?

from experience, I prefer NOT to work with near ratio'd flowers for several reasons.
much of it having to do with the compromise you have to make in decarb for THC vs CBD
(also say goodbye to cbg % in these flowers after decarb cbg won't exist)

acid forms are also beneficial and should not be ignored.. especially THCA... let it get out of hand
and you've got your self a imminent nap.

it really seems like your end product is much weaker than you expect.

 

[Tincandtoke]

So how do you go about figuring out your end potency? and actual ratio?

how many washes did you do on initial extraction? were you monitoring the temperature variance over the hours boiled?

from experience, I prefer NOT to work with near ratio'd flowers for several reasons.
much of it having to do with the compromise you have to make in decarb for THC vs CBD
(also say goodbye to cbg % in these flowers after decarb cbg won't exist)

acid forms are also beneficial and should not be ignored.. especially THCA... let it get out of hand
and you've got your self a imminent nap.

it really seems like your end product is much weaker than you expect.

Agree with a lot you put forward
I use the 1:1 ratio flower for non users of cannabis
The psychoactive experience is minimal but the THC works miracles combined with the CBD
The decarb was mechanical using an Ardent FX set on the regular A1 cycle
Trying to get non users to try cannabis can be cagey because of the stigma
As for the acid versions of the cannabinoids, keep non decarbed tincture for inflammation and for topical
I have CBG flower that is extracted and gets added
CBG is an energetic cannabinoid from descriptions so it has little use in the sleep meds I make

When you see someone give up Ambien it shows the medicinal side of cannabis

The decarb is still in research as new info comes out weekly

The potency is guesstimate using the popular conversion method where the standard is 15% THC
NOT accurate but gets you in the ballpark

I use cold ethanol extraction doing 2 washes on the same material

Dosing is my biggest hurdle as testing is difficult if you are not licensed

 

[Tincandtoke]

So the next batch of chocolates are going to be from commercially refined materials
Using refined RSO which I already have



Sourcing terpenes and CBD mct oil from the overall community
My intent was to end up here but the flower extraction part needed more work
If it is possible to source another 1:1 THC/CBD flower I will pick up the extraction part again for the DIY crowd
Needs a little polish and reliable testing

 

[goingrey]

Lots of 1:1 strains available as seeds, more so than CBD-dominant ones it would seem. Shame you can't grow yet... Then again, both CBD and THC-dominant flower should be available for you no? Why not just buy some of each..

 

[Tincandtoke]

Lots of 1:1 strains available as seeds, more so than CBD-dominant ones it would seem. Shame you can't grow yet... Then again, both CBD and THC-dominant flower should be available for you no? Why not just buy some of each..

Think recreational is about to be legalized but I bet growing is prohibited
They don't shoot themselves in the foot around here, they shoot themselves in the head...

I am pivoting with different cultivars and materials but I was hoping to polish the process with one cultivar before moving on to different scenarios

Did an infusion with the oil from 1:1 carts and the end product seemed to be a bit more psychoactive to the point of being uncomfortable for the consumer
Probably 10%THC/10%CBD distribution
I work with 10%THC/15%CBD and bump that up a couple of CBD percentage points

Actually have 3.5 grams of Sour Electra
The other rabbit hole is combining the CBD flower with a Sativa, Indica, and Hybrid
Think the Thunder Struck came in as a Sativa dominant

 

[Tincandtoke]

Still chipping away
Products are coming on the market at an overwhelming rate


My insane thought process is to customize your form of edible for YOU
The above company offers terpenes products in various combinations
Lots of research ahead concerning dosage and efficacy
Tell your kids to get a degree in chemistry, $$$$$$$

Love the research, read a sentence then spend a week looking everything up to comprehend it
Being stupid is time consuming

 

[Tincandtoke]

Beginning a new way of making 1:1 oil for me
Decarb about 8 grams (7.6) of kief
Add about 1g of refined RSO
The numbers should be in the ball park of a 1:1 flower
Terpenes on the way
Hope to have them for this batch

 

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Sleep med ingredient is in for a decarb
Time for a little recreational medicine


Infused rich syrup
Coffee, tea, cocktails, condiments, soda, lemonade
4500mg-5000mg
Half teaspoon to a teaspoon is a dose
Roughly a cup and a half of syrup at 72 teaspoons
Roughly 60mg-70mg per teaspoon

One of my favorite ways to flavor it


1 Tablespoon of flavored syrup and 1 TEAspoon of infused syrup will be a nice balance to add to mist ready made beverages
Usually make my own soda by using club soda, the flavored syrup and the infused syrup

 

[Tincandtoke]

Terpenes arrived

So this is going to be 8 grams of CBD kief at 26%
1 gram of refined RSO 900mg-1000MG THC advertised but I think 850mg
TBD amount of terpenes

A lot of older folks getting overwhelmed by 11 hydroxy THC
Curious about CBD and the terp mix for alleviating the symptoms
Anybody out there using these products?

 

[Old Piney]

Use ethanol to do the cold extraction method to minimize the lipids, waxes and chlorophyll
Waiting on recreational legalization so I can home grow
Have a medical card but still wary of anyone who grows for profit
Making an ethanol tincture allows me to carbon scrub impurities and a lot of pesticides out

You should try a stainless steel coffee filter
Filter your oil then run a few teaspoons of fresh hot oil to grab what's left in the filter



My set up for initial filtering
Paper filter is optional for oil
Use a hand held stainless mesh to keep material from getting into the cone filter

My edibles have no "plant" taste or processed taste like distillate
The number one complaint from patients was the taste

My single stage filtered edibles have a small amount of taste

Use ethanol to do the cold extraction method to minimize the lipids, waxes and chlorophyll
Waiting on recreational legalization so I can home grow
Have a medical card but still wary of anyone who grows for profit
Making an ethanol tincture allows me to carbon scrub impurities and a lot of pesticides out

You should try a stainless steel coffee filter
Filter your oil then run a few teaspoons of fresh hot oil to grab what's left in the filter



My set up for initial filtering
Paper filter is optional for oil
Use a hand held stainless mesh to keep material from getting into the cone filter

My edibles have no "plant" taste or processed taste like distillate
The number one complaint from patients was the taste

My single stage filtered edibles have a small amount of taste

My coconut CBD oil is delicious I us my own organically grown Colorado cherry ( hemp) flower I wouldn't want to take all those wonderful terps out. It taste great and goes good with just about everything I love it in coffee, I like it just straight. I have no chemicals to worry about because I do not use any. I do a bud wash before drying to get bugs feathers etc off first and cure it well to mellow the taste and bring out the terps. At least this CBD strain is really tasty not like most THC strains with a strong bitter taste The stainless coffee filter sound like a good idea though

 

[Tincandtoke]

Growing is not legal here
Anytime you have to use a dispensary or a plug it comes with a certain amount of risk
You don't have anyway to truly verify what's in/on your product
Being able to break down and rebuild my product losing only the undesirables helps to ease any concerns
The con is the loss of terpenes, which is important to the overall effects
I'm not going to minimize that point

My targets are people who are brand new to cannabis and the portion of consumers who cannot tolerate the "plant" taste
People do not want to take up vaping/smoking, a lot of them
People are nervous about the psychoactive effects of thc
The product I make has limited psychoactive effects as I'm guessing the thc and cbd are in a race to the receptors limiting the availablility so you get a little of both, again just a delusional guess
The 1:1 thc/cbd flower has good effects and from reports gets you a little high

Now you can purchase terpenes to put back in but then the sourcing comes into question

I'm suppose to be starting research on DIY nano emulsion
Equipment is pricey but starting to come down
Done everything I can with extraction, filtration and reduction

Yes I worry when I get a pic of 5 mimosas being dosed with the syrup at 8am
If you are golfing in south Florida, DUCK!

If you purchase terpenes use an airtight container for storage
Open outside and wear a mask until you are comfortable with using them and know what to expect
A little goes a long way


Edit: It is becoming more apparent that THC plays the biggest role in both pain relief and sleep aid
That is why starting people on 1:1 works to build tolerance
You can gradually increase the THC a little to accommodate more pain or sleep problems
This is my personal experience which counts for nothing

 

[Old Piney]

Growing is not legal here
Anytime you have to use a dispensary or a plug it comes with a certain amount of risk
You don't have anyway to truly verify what's in/on your product
Being able to break down and rebuild my product losing only the undesirables helps to ease any concerns
The con is the loss of terpenes, which is important to the overall effects
I'm not going to minimize that point

My targets are people who are brand new to cannabis and the portion of consumers who cannot tolerate the "plant" taste
People do not want to take up vaping/smoking, a lot of them
People are nervous about the psychoactive effects of thc
The product I make has limited psychoactive effects as I'm guessing the thc and cbd are in a race to the receptors limiting the availablility so you get a little of both, again just a delusional guess
The 1:1 thc/cbd flower has good effects and from reports gets you a little high

Now you can purchase terpenes to put back in but then the sourcing comes into question

I'm suppose to be starting research on DIY nano emulsion
Equipment is pricey but starting to come down
Done everything I can with extraction, filtration and reduction

Yes I worry when I get a pic of 5 mimosas being dosed with the syrup at 8am
If you are golfing in south Florida, DUCK!

If you purchase terpenes use an airtight container for storage
Open outside and wear a mask until you are comfortable with using them and know what to expect
A little goes a long way
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Edit: It is becoming more apparent that THC plays the biggest role in both pain relief and sleep aid
That is why starting people on 1:1 works to build tolerance
You can gradually increase the THC a little to accommodate more pain or sleep problems
This is my personal experience which counts for nothing

Growing is also illegal in N.J I just break the law like I have been for over 45 years. New Jersey has legal recreational weed but the greedy bastards got to make all the money as expected. I believe your right all the cannabinoids work together, I'm just chicken of ingesting THC because of my bad experience back in the day, lol. Yes I believe I got to start low and work it up. Even my legal “hemp” has a wee bit of THC and it's also illegal to grow

 

[Tincandtoke]

Only medical here in New Hampshire
My neighbor is the textbook nightmare neighbor, he is the biggest Karen U have ever come across
The commercial industry has been positive in some aspects but.....they need oversight


Refined RSO
Able to dial in dosage and never have surprises
They have "dablicators" now
Precision dosing in both mg and where you place the oil
You can make killer infused blunts/joints without the mess


When they run out of 1:1 flower I can improvise with 2 dablicators and 14g of super sour space candy cbd flower
Extract the cbd and combine with the rso
Also the way I make small increases to the 1:1 extraction
Allows me very small accurate increases to minimize any negative effects