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Dying Leaves, High pH? Ideas?

Dr Pepper

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Hi, i need some help with a plant. Basically i've given up on it, but i still want to figure out what the problem was with her.
She started in mg time realease soil, and i transplanted her after about 35 days because leaves were dieing, starting from the bottom. Color wasnt very green, and the transplant was organic MG potting, organic MG ground soil, as well as some normal topsoil and perlite, 1 part of each.
She's lost at least 4 nodes of multi-progned leaves.

I doubt the problem is lack or excess of nutrients, but i'm thinking a lockout of them. The ph i tested with my pool tester (5 drops of solution into water, then it gives you a chart to match between 6.8 and 7.8 came out at about 7.0-7.2.

I have 2 more seedlings growing, and would like them to do well, they are working on their 1st set of real leaves. I may want to experiment, using tap water on one and commercial water (like ozarka) on the other and see how they do. But see if you can tell me whats wrong. The pictures are a progression over time.

Thanks!











 
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One thing I notice is that the pot is way too big for that small plant. It is much better for the roots is you start small seedlings in a small pot, say 4 inch.. let the soil dry down between waterings. With a large pot like that, the roots will stay wet, get root rot, and stop feeding the plant. Feeding with lower ph water would help, but my quickie guess is that it is overwatered.
 
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firts of all dude ...go buy a ph tester or some strips...second ..fluid for the pool is a defenit :nono:...you better use batteryacid then :bashhead: .....no serious....use lemon juice or vinigar 2 lower your ph.....

and third...your ph levels need 2 be much lower ...try 6.3-6.5 in plain soil and 5.8-6.2 in soiless....follw these instructions and ya plant will get a whole lot better...
 
Dr Pepper

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No i didnt add fluid from the pool, i just used the chemical tester ( you fill up to the line with water, add 5 drops of solution, and it tells you the ph). I did it with ozarka and got more like 6.6-6.8 rather than 7.0-7.2).
The problem is that it doesnt work with runoff because of the color already.
Can you point me in the direction of a relatively cheap pH tester?
I went to walmart AND my pool store and their testers went from 6.8 up which is bullshit and they come with other things that i dont need like chlorine tests.
 
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Look for PH testers in the gardening section, pool testing equipment is not ideal. I like to use the Rapid test chemical based tests, they come with little capsules that contain the chemicals for the tests. Avoid Rapidtests PH testing probe, it is pretty inaccurate.

I had a feeling the problem was overwatering when I saw this posted in the outdoor section.
 
Anima

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I recommend looking for PH testers anywhere that has a decent selection of aquarium stuff. people use them for measuring the PH of fish tanks. and they seem to have a nice range that we use. (although you might have a problem finding anything that can test less than 6 or so..)
Get that PH taken care of and she'll go like a rocket!
Good luck!
 
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overwatering, definitely ;

UNDER-watering would cause leaf drooping, and plants get straighter with a boal of water, but over-watering kills your plants ;
They look yellowish, stop feeding, stop growing and leaves start dying all over the plant from bottom to top ;
it's the worse problem new growers must overcome to get decent plants...

Check the first answer you got, I think it's clear....
 
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Blackvelvet

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Ph is too high. Mg slow release soils lack micronutrients. Add a low dose of ferts containing npk and all 6 micronutrients (iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum). After you add the ferts to the water, adjust the ph to about 6 before applying to the plants. Tip: Vinegar makes a simple ph down for just a few plants.
 
Dr Pepper

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Thanks for all the replies! I will definately refrain from watering so often. My new 2 plants are looking good, they're outside this time of year so basically starting from 12/12. I will water less often now, and if the same problems continue, i will be certain that they are due to ph as one of the soils has many organic nutes, the other not very many, so it rules out that.
 
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dr. pepper hey bud, i think you should give the runoff a pH test aswell, i thought the same thing, that the water would or was too dark, but in actuallity it wasnt. because it was such a small amount, once the water was in my tester tube, it was such a small amount you really cant tell the color difference but the drops still changed the color, pretty bright too!

thats what i am learnig, is even though you may read it somewhere on here, test it, try it, see what happens, no matter whos recipes we follow, there is always that one factor that seperates us all.
 
Dr Pepper

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What is this !?!??!
My plant is reverting to green for the first time !?
Thanks for all of the help!
Im glad that my problem isn't the actual water, but the amount, as that would complicate things.

Quick question, before making this thread and finding out i was overwatering, i completely flushed my plant with water containing about 1-2 tbsp of alaska fish poo fertilizer (5-1-1), and my plant is finally showing green today.
Is the green due to the nitrogen or the fact that i haven't watered since then, alleviating the overwatering? I'm just trying to make sure that the problem was overwatering.

I would pH test, but i dont want to drown her :)

On the bright side, many people cut off the bottom few nodes for flowering, to focus growth on a few main shoots, so that lessens my suffering a bit of all the damage that occured.


 
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Dr Pepper

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Well i moved the plant into a new place where it gets about 8 hours of direct sunlight, i havent watered since its started recovering, tomorrow i'm going light with some 5-1-1 fish fertilizer.
You can see how the plant stopped dying and you can see the little pistils coming out. Since all the bottom 4-5 nodes are gone, its going to be a straight plant covered in bud i hope.
Well thanks again!





 
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Hey DrPepper, glad your plants start to recover.. ;

If your soil is normal potting mix, it probably contains enough food for your plant to become as big as your container.

Don't overfert, your roots are still fragile, overwatering brings illness to your roots ; they need to get stronger before getting ferts properly.
 
Dr Pepper

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Well my plant is thriving now, i have been giving it about 1 tbsp of 5-1-1 fish fert per wateringing (every 3 days or more) with no problems at all, plant has made a huge recovery from previous palm tree state. Here's a pic from yesterday.
Any ideas why leaves reverted to 3 instead of 5?
And the brown at bottom was from a dying leaf during its' sickness, not overfert.

 
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Dr Pepper said:
Well my plant is thriving now, i have been giving it about 1 tbsp of 5-1-1 fish fert per wateringing (every 3 days or more) with no problems at all, plant has made a huge recovery from previous palm tree state. Here's a pic from yesterday.
Any ideas why leaves reverted to 3 instead of 5?
And the brown at bottom was from a dying leaf during its' sickness, not overfert.

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unsure but because your plant is going into flowering outside prolly the culprit. wouldnt worry much. this time of yr and the amount of sun each day canibis flowers
 
Dr Pepper

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Yeah i realized this a while back, i dont have anywhere indoors for her so i'm just gonna leave her out and see if she produces anything. Couldnt stand to let my very 1st plant go :)

Too bad she had such a bad life to begin with, really stunted her :(
 
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