FlouroVeg-900wFlower-DWC Cabinet

ArcticBlast · Sep 20, 2007

Hey everyone, sort of new to this site, so here's my idea.

I'm thinking of doing pretty much the same thing as the above picture, only to my own dimensions, and it would of course be homemade.

I have a little notebook that i've been doodling in, and i think i have the gist of what i want to do. I want to stuff as many 3.2gallon buckets as i possibly can into the flower boxes. I'll be utilizing SOG, ScrOG, and any other LST technique i can think of to make this the most efficient box i can.

Keep in mind, this is just a rough idea... it might turn out completely different.

I dont know, i basically want to use the flouros on the top shelves, and just jam pack them in there. The top cabinet will obviously be deeper and taller. Maybe like 8 24" flouros?

The tall cabinet of the left, i want to put a 600 hps in. The smaller one to the right of it, i want to put 2 150w hps, or a 250w hps.

I will have a couple of utility sections for the ballasts, the air pumps, nutrient storage, canning/curing, etc. I'll have a drying section too, i think.

i want to hook the thing up to a gigantic fan to ventilate the whole thing, or a big one and a small one working together. Maybe the small one for intake. Maybe an a/c system.

The strains i'm thinking about are Top44, Shit, or some other high yielding commercial. My budget, in all, is $1500-2000, shouldnt be too hard.

Anyway, comments, questions, concerns, ideas?

ArcticBlast

Dhor · Sep 20, 2007

just be shure to have good airflow.. then u shouldnt concern!

peace brow!

cjk · Sep 20, 2007

very innovative setup. could be very efficient if its built right. i'd like to hear exactly how the venilation would work (i.e. - passive all the way through?, air cooled and ducting??)

HerbGlaze · Sep 20, 2007

Yeah ventilation is what my concern would be.. how will you get air passing through all those sectons mate?

ArcticBlast · Sep 21, 2007

In order to explain my setup better, and to try and explain my airflow/ventilation ideas better, i made up this very technical and scientific diagram to show all of you.

Basically, a small fan "pushing" at the intake, instead of passive...plus a very large, industrial sized..maybe, fan "pulling" at the exhaust. If anyone here knows about cars...a proper intake is one of the most important parts of a good engine build.

So, critique away. I personally think its a good plan, just minor kinks to work out.

Veg on top, Flower on bottom/left, canning-curing-drying-storage on right
my dimensions are a little off, but that'll be fixed soon enough.

ArcticBlast

ArcticBlast · Sep 21, 2007

Just to make this thread seem more interesting than it is, here's a smaller version for those that think my behemoth idea is too extravagant..

THIS might be a little extravagant...

Nobody said anything else about ventilation concerns, so i guess my idea is feasible? or overkill? i can live with either.

What about the genetics i was thinking about, anyone have anything to say about that? :wave:

Goodnight all

ArcticBlast

ArcticBlast · Sep 22, 2007

so nobody sees any problems? anyone have experience with a gigantic perpetual cabinet?

Thanks!

ArcticBlast

Guest · Sep 22, 2007

My Q to you is: With all of that room why the cabinetry? Partition off part of the room, cover the door with a book cabinet for stealth and tell all your buddies whats behind it, just kidding. lol

A few studs, drywall and a door will get you going, take it from there. You will have one hell of a lot less problems to contend with my friend. Think about all of the noise from all the equipment as well. You can sound deaden the wall, not the cabinetry.

happy growing friend

Ty-Stik :jump:

the gals are rootin' for ya !

ArcticBlast · Sep 22, 2007

if i could designate a whole room, believe me, i wouldnt think twice about it.
i just have a really uneasy feeling about a room full of growing plants...

ArcticBlast

Guest · Sep 22, 2007

Is your prospective area in the garage? or inside the house?

Ty-Stik

ArcticBlast · Sep 22, 2007

inside the house. i dont own my house, and the thought of my landlord coming in... well you get the idea. I figure since its a cabinet, its my personal property, and they cant legally open my property, especially if its locked. i could be wrong, but it gives me peace of mind.

Do you see any flaws in the design? I kind of wanted the fans to be overkill anyway.

ArcticBlast

TGT · Sep 22, 2007

Really there would be no difference in punishment in a court of law. Either a huge cabinet or a room, it's going to be the same. If your going to do it, go big or go home. At least in your case with the cabinet being so large and extravagent.

TGT

Guest · Sep 22, 2007

The only fly in the ointment as I see it are: so many compartments, questionable light values, air flow. exhausting, noise, heat and odor. Miniaturizing anything carries with it many inherent problems.

good luck and happy growing

ArcticBlast · Sep 23, 2007

i'm not really looking to minimize anything...i've never seen a cabinet so big.
i dont know, it seems better to me to be able to close the doors and lock them, and then someone could look at the room, and not even second guess it. i've had some close calls with previous cabinets...whereas with a whole room, what do you do if someone opens the door...? I've had my landlord walk in once, without prior notification or anything, and had his head literally 3 feet away from my grow, and didnt suspect a thing. That is WITH the exhaust fan within 4 feet!

I just feel safer with cabs? and thats the only way i ever grew? Maybe i DID over engineer it a little.

Anyone have any other ideas for a pretty large perpetual setup, minus the whole room being dedicated to it? Thanks

ArcticBlast

ArcticBlast · Sep 23, 2007

This Fantech FX10XL model pulls ~600cfm, and an FX6 will push 250+cfm ... both of them together cost $375. I think that 850+cfms would be should be ok for my setup right?

TGT · Sep 23, 2007

With a large grow like you want to do there shouldn't be anyone near the grow anyway. I am not trying to dis your idea, but just think about really what you want to accomplish. If your going to go large your going to have to make some sacrifices. You can't have both.

I can understand how you feel safer with the cabinet, but really if anyone were to be close enough to a grow this large the cabinets are not going to hide anything. They are only good up to a point. When you exceed a small grow and get larger, the cabinet idea doesn't work as well and your stealth diminishes.

TGT

ArcticBlast · Sep 23, 2007

I know it seems like i'm trying to go around in circles with you guys, but hear me out.

What about a "multitude" of small cabinets.. I remember a very innovative cabinet builder from OG that had a workbench sized cabinet, and he had a c13-type setup, and thats basically what i want to do, but i wanted mine to be all together instead of spread out. But like you said, with a cabinet this size, it'll probably draw attention with all the whistling and whirring.

But a couple different setups near each other? I dont know, for reference for all of you, i want to do this in a storage-type area. I want the cabinet(s) on the back wall, and shelves and tables are lining the walls, with all my junk and other storage in there. A cabinet or two in a storage room would attract too much attention imo, but a couple of lights and drywall sectioning off two areas would be suspicious to me.

I really do appreciate all the replies, i hope you all aren't getting frustrated with my stubborness.

ArcticBlast

420inprogress · Sep 24, 2007

ArcticBlast said:
I figure since its a cabinet, its my personal property, and they cant legally open my property, especially if its locked. i could be wrong, but it gives me peace of mind.

ArcticBlast

If the cabinets are going to be attached to either the walls or floor, they could be considered fixtures and part of the real property and not necessarily personal property. It depends on the state you live in. Check your rental/lease agreement first. then check your state laws regarding personal and real property. Generally, you would have to inform your landlord if you are planning to construct cabinets to attach to the walls and/or floor. Also, if the cabinets are considered real property, landlord can have access to them...

The difference between the cabinets and the c13 cabs is the c13 cabs are stand-alone. They are not physically attached to the walls or floors so it is considered personal property, which landlords cannot open, locked or unlocked.

ArcticBlast · Sep 24, 2007

I dont want to fasten anything to any walls, and i also dont want to purchase a cabinet outright. I've had two previous cabs, a c13 and a c24, and i dont know ... i just think i can build it a lot better. If anyone's ever had a c13, they know what i'm talking about (cardboard backing, flimsy supports, wooden dowels?!)

I dont know, i'm thinking about making this thing bulletproof. I want to build a solid frame, and i want to use steel bolts, maybe grade 8

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i'm really happy you guys are helping me with this! i've decided that i'll have like 2-3 cabinets, not connected. sound better? Dont get me wrong, i still have a soft spot for my original idea, but i realize its impractical

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So, back to the drawing board! Again, thanks for the help...
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
i'm still thinking about cabinets, i'm not going to build a secret room, though it IS a cool idea

ArcticBlast

ArcticBlast · Sep 24, 2007

Sorry to post again so quickly, but i was lurking around and kinda found what i want to do..

KillBill, you're awesome, here's some free advertisement for your thread!

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=69219

so basically just disassemble the first picture in my thread, and space it out, and thats it. What do you think?

ArcticBlast

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