St. Phatty
Active member
I wasn't sure where to post this because it's not specifically about Cannabis.
As I shared in another thread, I spent about 2+ months dealing with a tooth infection and its aftermath. Had the root canal today.
The only recognition of pain that I got from the 3 dentists involved was, 16x 7.5 mg Hydrocodone with Tylenol from the dentist that caused the infection. An 8 or 16 day supply that I never ended up taking.
I don't do well with Acetominophen (Tylenol), makes me drowsy & has a hangover feeling.
I have mostly been taking Tapentadol, 25 mg at a time. It's an opioid mimick like Tramadol.
The root canal doctor knows pretty well how much pain I'm in, since I've been writing him notes describing swelling in my nose and sinus near the right upper canine tooth that the one dentist killed.
The root canal dentist's nurses told me to take aspirin, Ibuprofen, or acetominophen. He does 2 root canals an hour @ $1000+ per, so he's grossing $16,000 in an 8 hour day.
But paying a clerk to fill out the DEA paperwork - he won't do it. I'm not sure if that's because he's greedy, or if the DEA is really putting a roadblock in his way.
This kind of mouth pain is not the kind of pain you can live with. I'm pretty sure cancer would be easier to deal with - pain wise.
If the dentist handed me a gram of bubble hash, or even recommended it, well then I would know, "at least he tried".
American doctors are obviously terrified of writing prescriptions for opioids and even opioid mimicks, related to the January 2014 re-scheduling of most such medications.
How is this going to work out ?
I know part of it, people in "upper social castes" will always have access to adequate painkillers.
I was introduced to Tramadol by another pain patient, the wife of an orthopedic surgeon. Tramadol tablets were available like candy in that household.
I had a neighbor who was the biker babe daughter of an older electronics gazillionaire. She lived in Rancho Santa Fe and ran to the doctor in Rancho Santa Fe almost every day for an injection of Valium. For $200.
So if you're wealthy or part of a doctor's family, you get your pain or anxiety treated, most of the time.
From selling tools and dealing with the general public, I get the basic idea of how some of them treat pain. Alcohol and tobacco.
Since I haven't been singled out for special treatment, I know other people may not have my exact tooth and mouth pain problems, but they're dealing with the same rules & regulations & doctors, and similar reduced access to functional painkillers.
Since people tend to use what is available to them, if I didn't have some supply chain skills to get medications that work better for me, I would be using concentrates and maybe alcohol to deal with what I hope is TEMPORARY tooth pain.
I had a friend who was in that situation. He had 4 hernia sites in his stomach and took Vicodin and smoked Cannabis for physical pain - until January 2014. He was very functional and eventually became my pet-sitter.
BUT, the Vicodin was taken away in January 2014, and they gave him Gabapentin. Gabapentin might help some people, but it sure didn't help him. It didn't take care of his abdominal pain and his Cannabis & concentrate use increased. The combination left him unable to deal with basic tasks, like re-homing his girlfriend's cat's kittens when the cat had a litter.
Anyway it's obvious that there are 2 'tracks' when it comes to pain treatment in this country.
For most of us that are in the "general public" category, I observe that doctors are having great trouble dealing assertively with patients' pain.
I don't see how that can have anything but a terrible ending.
The pain treatment landscape in America in 2018 is very wierd. Illogical and dysfunctional. I'm very interested to hear other people's observations.
If one of you folks had an abscess infection in your tooth, would your doctor or dentist back you up - with an opiate or opioid mimick - if Cannabis did not take care of the pain ?
As I shared in another thread, I spent about 2+ months dealing with a tooth infection and its aftermath. Had the root canal today.
The only recognition of pain that I got from the 3 dentists involved was, 16x 7.5 mg Hydrocodone with Tylenol from the dentist that caused the infection. An 8 or 16 day supply that I never ended up taking.
I don't do well with Acetominophen (Tylenol), makes me drowsy & has a hangover feeling.
I have mostly been taking Tapentadol, 25 mg at a time. It's an opioid mimick like Tramadol.
The root canal doctor knows pretty well how much pain I'm in, since I've been writing him notes describing swelling in my nose and sinus near the right upper canine tooth that the one dentist killed.
The root canal dentist's nurses told me to take aspirin, Ibuprofen, or acetominophen. He does 2 root canals an hour @ $1000+ per, so he's grossing $16,000 in an 8 hour day.
But paying a clerk to fill out the DEA paperwork - he won't do it. I'm not sure if that's because he's greedy, or if the DEA is really putting a roadblock in his way.
This kind of mouth pain is not the kind of pain you can live with. I'm pretty sure cancer would be easier to deal with - pain wise.
If the dentist handed me a gram of bubble hash, or even recommended it, well then I would know, "at least he tried".
American doctors are obviously terrified of writing prescriptions for opioids and even opioid mimicks, related to the January 2014 re-scheduling of most such medications.
How is this going to work out ?
I know part of it, people in "upper social castes" will always have access to adequate painkillers.
I was introduced to Tramadol by another pain patient, the wife of an orthopedic surgeon. Tramadol tablets were available like candy in that household.
I had a neighbor who was the biker babe daughter of an older electronics gazillionaire. She lived in Rancho Santa Fe and ran to the doctor in Rancho Santa Fe almost every day for an injection of Valium. For $200.
So if you're wealthy or part of a doctor's family, you get your pain or anxiety treated, most of the time.
From selling tools and dealing with the general public, I get the basic idea of how some of them treat pain. Alcohol and tobacco.
Since I haven't been singled out for special treatment, I know other people may not have my exact tooth and mouth pain problems, but they're dealing with the same rules & regulations & doctors, and similar reduced access to functional painkillers.
Since people tend to use what is available to them, if I didn't have some supply chain skills to get medications that work better for me, I would be using concentrates and maybe alcohol to deal with what I hope is TEMPORARY tooth pain.
I had a friend who was in that situation. He had 4 hernia sites in his stomach and took Vicodin and smoked Cannabis for physical pain - until January 2014. He was very functional and eventually became my pet-sitter.
BUT, the Vicodin was taken away in January 2014, and they gave him Gabapentin. Gabapentin might help some people, but it sure didn't help him. It didn't take care of his abdominal pain and his Cannabis & concentrate use increased. The combination left him unable to deal with basic tasks, like re-homing his girlfriend's cat's kittens when the cat had a litter.
Anyway it's obvious that there are 2 'tracks' when it comes to pain treatment in this country.
For most of us that are in the "general public" category, I observe that doctors are having great trouble dealing assertively with patients' pain.
I don't see how that can have anything but a terrible ending.
The pain treatment landscape in America in 2018 is very wierd. Illogical and dysfunctional. I'm very interested to hear other people's observations.
If one of you folks had an abscess infection in your tooth, would your doctor or dentist back you up - with an opiate or opioid mimick - if Cannabis did not take care of the pain ?