First time breeding - strain questions, blue/purple phenos, seedbanks, etc....

Hey all,

I am currently planning a new grow and for the first time want to select a mother and do the whole pheno-hunting, cloning lifecycle thing.

I am more or less dead set on the AK 47 by serious seeds for the sativa side of things.
In the past I had great experiences with the Nirvana AK 47 version (which afaik used to be a f2 breed of the serious seeds ak 47 and later changed into a different cross-breed which is the current ak 48 but yeh, lots of rumours about all that, anyway, this time I wanted the "original" serious seeds AK 47 as I also plan on breeding).

Next up I am looking into a more indica heavy strain to round of the package. Again, serious seeds, having a great reputation, caught my eye with their Bubblegum.


My plan would be to have a first grow with the SS AK47, select mother and father after grow and keep them tucked away/cut down for later in their own box.

Then repeat the same for Bubblegum, later cross.

Now I am not dead set on the bubblegum and even the AK 47 is not set in stone, just very likely, as I believe hunting for a great AK 47 pheno from serious seeds genetics, should yield me a great and stable mother/father that should provide a great basis for crossing with other strains. The plan is to select sativa heavy phenotypes.


Ultimately I am looking into bubblegum as my first crossing experiment because they idea was to hunt for a phenotype of another indica (or even sativa) that has a very sweet aroma/taste (I read that the SS Bubblegum has the highest chance of drafting sativa heavy and very sweet, aroma heavy phenos).

Aside from a very sweet aroma/taste, I would love it if I could get a blue/purple pheno (ideally combined with the strong, sweet taste/aroma).


Basically my ideal weed would be Bubblegum taste/smell/aroma (and hopefully blue-ish/purple-ish color) along with the awesome Sativa High and growth pattern from the AK 47.




I might be way off on the strains I am targeting though. Maybe finding a Blue Kush variant or Blueberry in general is more the way to go for me...

Guess I am just another dude that wants purple haze ....

I don't know, I just remember seeing these grow-report pictures of insane looking Bubblegum plants that were a dark greenish/blue colour with red trichomes and just fully covered in crystal. That looked so tasty and insane and was touted as being very potent, good in yield and actually smelling/tasting of sweet bubblegum.

But that was 10 years ago and I have no clue where I saw those pics ...

I want that kind of plan, mixed with a very strong sativa high.

Thoughts?

I'd recommend doing a cut off each and breed your favourites within each strain to get a larger gene pool, maybe get 1 strain first and work with it for a couple generations and see what you like and then choose a partner based on traits you want to bring in.

If you keep some parent plants, you can prove out the genes and select moms and dads by doing 1:1 breedings and seeing if the parents traits are dominant, increase your chances of them occurring in an out cross to an other IBL.

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, I was coming around to understand that this would take a while/require quite the setup.

Might still go through with it as it can be done on a smaller scale butslower. Will think about it.


In the meantime I came across the "Moscow Blueberry" by Kalashnikov seeds.

From what it looks like/what is written here (**********.eu), it sounds like everything I want minus the bubblegum taste/smell...

Yet, if I am not mistaken, this is a U.S. forum, right? It seems to me that this strain is relatively unknown outside Russia... Looking in Europe right now, came up empty so far.

Otherwise, Bubblegum a good place to start? Or is the purple/blue pheno too hard to get for both AK 47 and Bubblegum and I should to what Kalashnikov Seeds did and focus on Blueberry first (maybe cross in Bubblegum later or continue to hunt for AK 47 and Bubblegum blue/red pheno with Bubblegum smell/taste pheno)... Quite the project

But doable... What you guys think?

Just a quick update:

From my understanding it would probably be best to focus on a AK 47 with Blueberry cross.

On the blueberry side the best candidates seem to be Blue Sattelite (Spice of Life) or one of the DJ Short Blueberry variants.

Both are not easy to get apparently ...


The thing is:
If I for example had some Blue Sattelite or DJ Short Blueberry seeds, I would have a pretty decent chance to get a good phenotype and parents out of an initial grow of maybe 10-20 plants each.

Then I might just have to do a 1st generation cross with the AK 47 parent material and would grow that crossbreed until I find a pheno that does what I want.

That's basically only a few grows and cycles with clones/parent selection.

Just need the right base. I am quite confident in the AK 47 selection and serious seeds as a seedbank.

I am also quite confident in DJ short's stuff and Spice of Life.

Current problem those two are hard to get ^^

Have you looked at BOG's work with Bubblegum?

He has BogBubble, SourBubble, SourBoggle and maybe other strains that are based around bubblegum. OverGrow is probably where you saw those incredible pics & they were probably his bubblegum variants.

Blue lines may have what you want already also...

BOG strains seem to be very indica dominant.

I am looking for a Sativa high...

Currently I believe my best option is to get some Spice of Life Blue Satellite 2.2 (which I could currently get my hands on) to experiment/go pheno hunting in terms of purple, sativa, sweet taste/smell.

Then grow something like the AK 47 from serious seeds as my "workhorse" to make sure I have quality bud. The Blue Satellite is a bonus then and who knows, maybe I get some great Blue Satellite parents through selection and can use them for breeding.

Even though Blue Satellite is quite crossed to shits/far from a pure landrace strain and thus not really ideal for breeding.

But if the Blue Satellite turns out to be a dud, I could still branch out by going further up the Blueberry lineage or then Bubblegum.

I'd go for C99 or Kali Mist over AK, and BOG for indica.

Serious seeds from what I have seen just haven't adapted with the times. Seems like the genetics are a little watered down as well.

I do not know for sure but that's what I have been seeing.

BT

I think pyramid seeds has a AK variant that won some awards n tested over 30% THC.... All DJ's lines including blue satellite have been worked over many years, so are also IBL as much as AK I think...

Any way you do it I would buy at least 20 and do a cross of your favourite female to a few males just to get more genes available, then introduce other strain, but you could just do a cross right off and select from many F1 seeds, if your planing that then best to use IBL like AK or DJ's stuff rather than poly hybrids, IMO anyways.

Im really not that sure anymore ...

The more I read into it, the more my info/opinions seem outdated.

I thought serious seeds is top tier and now you are the second person to suggest that they "didn't go with the times" and aren't as pure/stable/bonkers in genetics as they used to be ...
Same with DJ Short's strains apparently. Same with Dutch Passion's Blueberry apparently ...



But the majority of the common, stable, favourable great strains currently available seems to be either heavily indica leaning or has non of the sweet taste/smell and purple/blue properties I am looking for ...


I have been coming to realize that what I am looking at is a purchase of 20+ seeds from one strain and go pheno hunting, grow a couple cycles, maybe stabilize and then go to the next strain, keeping pollen from the father plant and a mother.

I still feel like Blue Satellite is my best bet so I will probably start with her....

I checked further up the Blueberry heritage and be it BOG or others, it all goes more into Indica and often looses either the sweet taste/smell or the blue/purple coloration...

Found some mentionings of Blueberry x Haze crossbreeds and got interested (for example from homegrown fantaseeds) but those seem to have died out as well...


If anybody can suggest me a good and stable strain with Blueberry/Bubblegum properties (blue/purple/red/orange coloration dominance, sweet/berry/bubblegum taste) and a Sativa high, I would be very interested.

My searches came up empty safe for the Blue Satellite or extinct strains/once where I couldn't find any seeds.

Other than that, I was eying a some DJ Short Blueberry strain or Serious Seeds Bubblegum, get some 20 seeds of those and start pheno hunting...
Then again, I just heard for the second time that serious seeds aint that great anymore, so maybe Bubblegumwise I should go with one of the BOG variants (again though: they seem to not have that many colorful phenotypes and the smell/taste is apparently also not as sweet and all).

Blue Moonrocks

BOG

Indica dominant hybrid, but some people say it's got a sativa like buzz.

KappaRoss said:

Im really not that sure anymore ...

The more I read into it, the more my info/opinions seem outdated.

I thought serious seeds is top tier and now you are the second person to suggest that they "didn't go with the times" and aren't as pure/stable/bonkers in genetics as they used to be ...
Same with DJ Short's strains apparently. Same with Dutch Passion's Blueberry apparently ...



But the majority of the common, stable, favourable great strains currently available seems to be either heavily indica leaning or has non of the sweet taste/smell and purple/blue properties I am looking for ...


I have been coming to realize that what I am looking at is a purchase of 20+ seeds from one strain and go pheno hunting, grow a couple cycles, maybe stabilize and then go to the next strain, keeping pollen from the father plant and a mother.

I still feel like Blue Satellite is my best bet so I will probably start with her....

I checked further up the Blueberry heritage and be it BOG or others, it all goes more into Indica and often looses either the sweet taste/smell or the blue/purple coloration...

Found some mentionings of Blueberry x Haze crossbreeds and got interested (for example from homegrown fantaseeds) but those seem to have died out as well...


If anybody can suggest me a good and stable strain with Blueberry/Bubblegum properties (blue/purple/red/orange coloration dominance, sweet/berry/bubblegum taste) and a Sativa high, I would be very interested.

My searches came up empty safe for the Blue Satellite or extinct strains/once where I couldn't find any seeds.

Other than that, I was eying a some DJ Short Blueberry strain or Serious Seeds Bubblegum, get some 20 seeds of those and start pheno hunting...
Then again, I just heard for the second time that serious seeds aint that great anymore, so maybe Bubblegumwise I should go with one of the BOG variants (again though: they seem to not have that many colorful phenotypes and the smell/taste is apparently also not as sweet and all).

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Most of the Blueberry's are "dead". not what they were. I've tried JOTI, DJ, Joey Weed & Peakseeds. Some make great hybrids but aren't at all what blueberry used to be in terms of terpenes & flavours. You'd be better off looking at BB hybrids and plants that do not have BB heritage but do have similar terps like MOB, Blue Moon Rocks, Blue satellite etc.

Hm, I was actually quite decided now to go with PeakSeedsBC and take their Blueberry as my main strain to start with...

Plan was to try and find a sativa-leaning phenotype that retains blue/purple/red coloration and sweet flavors/aroma.

Then cross that with their SweetSkunk or C99...

Now you tell me their Blueberry isn't what I'm looking for either T_T


As I mentioned before, I was quite taken with the Blue Satellite, but I was told that one of the guys from Spice of Life has recently said in an interview something to the effect that they haven't produced new seeds in ages and some of the Spice of Life seeds on the market may be as old as 15 years ...
That would also explain why they are on sale pretty much anywhere you can still get them ...

During that discussion I came to the understanding that you gotta find a seedbank like PeakSeedsBC, that specialized in preserving "pure" strains and didn't end up crossing everything into oblivion but instead continued to produce seeds from F2s of strains such as DJ Short's Blueberry or Brother's Grimm's C99 and Sweet Skunk...


Real bummer man, PeakSeedsBC seemed VERY promising to me, like I finally found what I was looking for...

It's about time, space and money. When you have enough space do a few big selections of some proven genetics, speaking some bubblegum, some haze and some purple strains. Then make your selections and cross the best candidates. A good haze for instance is super silver haze. Serious seeds bubblegum are watered down,it's true. Males throw hairs and the pink bg flavor is only in 1 of 10 or less. I understand your search for a good bubblegum sativa were i am looking for the same in indica against chronic pain. I trink bog is my next stop. But the purple trait will make your search more difficult. What is it needed for?

So you want purple, sativa and sweet taste. There are tons of strains that combine two of those traits already. Probably a dozen that combine those three. So a simple F1 cross from the right parents could give you a bunch of suitable specimens offcourse stabilizing that into a strain will be the real work. But if you just want a cut it could be pretty easy. Grow at least 20 plants x 2 strains, take clones, smoke it, if you have time, repeat, then grow the two best specimen, or more, cross them, ideally make several crosses, then go phenohunting..

For purple/blueberry/sweet I'd look at san]nie's and for sativa ace. Jackberry is kind of what you're trying to create, it's jack crossed with blueberry... There's also cheeseberry haze. Oh and Blueberry Sativa. All were once offered at san'nie probably not anymore but you can always contact him to know when/if he'll reproduce them.

@GUY brush
Its mainly for recreational purposes. Somedealing with depression.
I actually preffered the effect of sativa hybrids like ak 47 over the effects of the haze variants. Thats why im more intriguedto start with sth like c99on the sativa side of things. But nevilles haze, super silver haze and jack herrer are all somewhere down the list as well...

I guess "proven", "pure" and stable genetics is the key here. Thats how i ended up at peakseedsbc...
Open for suggestions... The BOG bubblegum strains are also on my list but there seem to be little to no coloration in these genetics and im not as convinced about the sweet bubblegum taste n smell,.. But would try it out. Just not to start with...

The coloration is just the icing on top but i would really like it...

@sprinkle

Yub, well said.
I was pretty much planning to do what u describe with stabilizing "my" strain and producing seeds from it being the long term goal/dream.

I had read of ****** jackberry before and thought it might be closest to what i want... Gonna do some more research into that.
I will contact about the blueberry sativa. Its not listed as in stock but could fit even better than the jackberry.

Hmmm sprinkle could u or someone else name some of the dozen strains that have all three characteristics (color, sweet, sativa)?
I assume jackberry being one of them (i admit it comes quite close to what i had in mind)

Purple Panama from ace seeds is a maybe for purple sativa.

I actually finally came around to give BOGs gear a better look.
Peekseedsbc is still the frontrunner with their blueberry, sweet skunk and c99.
But i came to realize that BOG seems to be the best bubblegum genetics around and, unfortunately, stock seems to deplete...
Bog bubble is what i would want but i cant find it anywhere...
Seedbay has some LSD seeds and the LSD might also be what i want. A sativa leaning, sweet bubblegum hybrid with a chance of coloration...

What are the best places to get BOGs gear? Anywhere i could get some bog bubble or bogglegum?

KappaRoss said:

Hmmm sprinkle could u or someone else name some of the dozen strains that have all three characteristics (color, sweet, sativa)?
I assume jackberry being one of them (i admit it comes quite close to what i had in mind)

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San[nie has a few strains himself that have all 3 characteristics as he uses a lot of blueberry in his crosses after doing a thorough selection. Most of the sativa influence comes from his stabilized Jack Herer line. He does some real breeding and sells his seeds for cheap, it's unheard of if you look around on the seed market. The other breeders he works with also put actual work in their strains rather than polyhybridizing a couple of elite clones and asking tons of money for it.
Killing Fields
Silverfields(small % colored)
Jackberry
Selene (small % )
Sugar Punch(small %)


Cheeseberry haze from escobar

NAW seeds uses Blue Hammer in a lot of their crosses so should also give a % of colored plants

the sags bubbleberry circa 2000 was incredible! I do not know if it is what it used to be. It is worth checking out though as it was extremely sweet candy on the palate and had a shit eating cheshire cat permagrin type high that would cramp up your smiling muscles.

You might want to check out the DJ Forum and ask around their for finding a blueberry male.

And perhaps ask around the BOG forum and serious seeds site for information on Bubblegum.

If you want to add purple into the line their are several options that can bring a more sativa element to it by various Spanish breeders. Such as Ace, Cannabiogen, Delicatessen Seeds, and Tropical seeds.

As Far as the old school Bubbleberry it wasn't really purple. Nonetheless, The High was pretty up and it had a very nice overall balance. I enjoyed it much much more than the sweet tooths and seemed much more sativa than the Blue dream I have come across. As for hightype and the popular Blueberry crosses that make the shelves regularly in CA dispensaries such as blue dream and sweet tooth the high from the bubbleberry is far superior although the bluedream has much better bag appeal. It was very zoned in with a fair amount of buzzy energy into that antidepressive happy trait, although crossing it with something a little more expansive and clear headed could possible improve the high IMO.

those are some leads anyway I hope you find what you are looking for.