Ideas for cloning AF's

It would be really cool if auto flowering strains could be cloned. It would be very valuable for outdoor guerilla growing if one could put out very young plants of a known pheno and guaranteed to be female.

Sorry...I didn't search the forum to see if this has been discussed yet. My suspicion is that someone somewhere has succeeded in cloning AF's, but that the procedure is tricky and the plants might not reach their full potential.

I have had a couple of ideas about how to possibly delay flowering chemically in order to facilitate cloning. The first idea was to use Florel, a common plant growth regulator that, in ornamental plants also has the property of aborting blossoms. Another idea is gibberellic acid, a naturally occurring plant hormone that can induce rapid vegetative growth.

With some brief searching, I don't think the Florel idea will work. I haven't researched the gibberellic acid idea, but I just wanted to put it out there and see if anyone has any further ideas or knowledge to contribute.

You don't want auto-flower... you want early flower.

Check out Royal Canadian Marijuana Collective and look for their strains that say they'll flower with only a few hours of dark.

Essentially you'll find a few mums that stay in veg under 22/2 or 24/0 lighting. Clone em... veg em to size and put them outside. They'll flower.
Ordering some myself... asap!

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Hydro-Soil said:

You don't want auto-flower... you want early flower.

Check out Royal Canadian Marijuana Collective and look for their strains that say they'll flower with only a few hours of dark.

Essentially you'll find a few mums that stay in veg under 22/2 or 24/0 lighting. Clone em... veg em to size and put them outside. They'll flower.
Ordering some myself... asap!

Stay Safe!

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Yeah good call with rcmc. I was going to suggest the same. Mighty mite and guerilla gold and freezeland should fit the bill

I don't understand why autoflowering is an important trait for guerilla growing? Are you planning on guerilla growing up in the arctic circle? If not, it seems to me what you really need are feminized seeds, not autoflowering ones.

I guess since I don't grow guerilla style I just don't follow. Good luck to you though, hope you find what you need!

hush said:

I don't understand why autoflowering is an important trait for guerilla growing? Are you planning on guerilla growing up in the arctic circle? If not, it seems to me what you really need are feminized seeds, not autoflowering ones.

I guess since I don't grow guerilla style I just don't follow. Good luck to you though, hope you find what you need!

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The goal is simple - harvest at the end of June And another in september.

Okay, fair enough!

Thanks for the tip about the RCMC. I spent some time checking out their site today. It's a whole new world...I didn't recognize any of those names.

Two reasons for my interest in autoflowering strains, to explain further.

First, I don't think some of you understand just how short the seasons are in certain parts of North America. Let's just pretend that I'm in Manitoba, Alberta, or Saskatchewan. We can get a frost as late as May 25th or so and as early as early September. A strain that finishes in late September might finish here.

The second, related to both the height and quick finish of autoflowering strains is this: organic soybeans. If one could balance height and vigor so that your plants stayed under the tops of the soybeans but were vigorous enough to fill out a bit it could be an interesting guerilla grow. Get them out of there by August 15th, well before the soybeans had started to brown up or the farmer had thought about harvesting them. These fields are huge, and being organic there are going to be some weeds present. A plant here and there in the middle of a huge field will certainly not be noticed. For safety reasons it wouldn't be good to go out there too often, and I'm not sure that feminized seeds would give the near certainty of 100% females that would come from clones. I really think this might be an underutilized method of growing not on the radar of law enforcement.

I need to emphasize that I have never successfully grown a plant to full bud. I'm mostly just a dreamer. But reading about Mossy's Jem and Sour 60 and so on gets me all excited about the possibilities of breeding and growing autoflowers. I don't have the security inside for all but the tiniest closet grow.

Now you've thrown me a curve ball. It says on the RCMC site that they found most autos unsuitable for outdoor growing. Hmm? I'm curious to find out if this is true. I'm curious to compare quality.

Thanks everybody for your input so far!

Yep... just found out about RCMC a couple weeks ago from someone else. (thanx!)

I wouldn't try to pursue the cloning at all... just cuts into flowering resources, significantly.

You'll want a short flowering, early flower variety then. They're there. I live at 10,000 feet and yeah... it freezes late may here as well. I'm looking in this direction for the same reasons you are... except I'm looking at it getting frozen by the beginning of sept.

As for your soybean fields?? Definitely veg them to 2', stripping branches off of one side (a vertical setup would work well) and then strip the outer layer of the stem off of the side you've been cutting off branches and bury it in the ground(The stem... not the whole plant. LOL). Essentially you'll end up with a plant that has 2' of roots along the stem and every branch becomes a small budded plant. Should stay well below the soybeans.

Try to plant where the planting machine skipped a few soybean plants. Even though it's an organic plot... it will still look more normal than having plants extending into the empty spaces of the rows.

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g0dzilla said:

Yeah good call with rcmc. I was going to suggest the same. Mighty mite and guerilla gold and freezeland should fit the bill

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Thanks for those tips! I'll go and read about em asap!

hush said:

I don't understand why autoflowering is an important trait for guerilla growing? Are you planning on guerilla growing up in the arctic circle? If not, it seems to me what you really need are feminized seeds, not autoflowering ones.

I guess since I don't grow guerilla style I just don't follow. Good luck to you though, hope you find what you need!

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Yes, I am!


@Hydro-Soil, Please keep me/us updated if you find a 22/2-strain~. I would really appreatiate it! (well, it goes ofc to anyone out there to reveal that kind of strain!)

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Brickland (Almost sold out... hopefully not!)

The Brickland will have many extremely light sensitive individuals and the rest will be auto flowering. Some plants will have baseball size buds crammed together with others more like a thin tall Christmas tree. The yields will vary with the big yielding ones producing about a pound. The plants tend to be taller and smaller yielding indoors. The effects are euphoric, mind stimulating and very relaxed body but not to the point of tired. Some phenos will cause you to crash when the effects wear off leaving you tired. Good for getting to sleep. Smoke some more and the tired feeling leaves you. Some plants can be kept as clones with short enough nights. Most of the Brickland when cloned and vegged (indoors 22/2) will flower and finish under 16 hour days or 55-60 days from transplanting outside.

Afghan X Early Wonder Skunk
Indoor (55-60 Days)
Outdoor From Seeds (Aug 15-Sept 20)


Backup (in case the Brickland is out)

Wolf Island Sativa (F1)

Experimental

This is an F1 that has some variation in the plants. The AFS fathers were all finished flowering outdoors by the solstice. The AFS has lots of Reds/Yellows on the leaves and stalks. Expect a stretch when flowering starts, the AFS more than doubles its size after it starts to flower. The flowering times can be quite long (up to 90 days) but flowering starts quickly when the plants are between 2-3 months old, so start them mid March, or, start in April for a super early outdoor Sativa harvest. Most plants will not be auto flowering, but very light sensitive, needing 4 hours or less dark period to prevent flowering onset. If you are using clones, most will auto flower when transplanted outdoors. You will need to veg those plants to roughly one half their finishing size before transplanting outdoors.

Auto Affie (F) X Auto Flowering Sativa (M)
Outdoor Seeds (April Start, Ending Mid Aug-Sept)
Outdoor Clones (70-90 Days)
Indoor (Not Tested and Not Recommended)


I wouldn't recommend the Wolf Island Sativa for your location as you have a shorter flowering time and it says up to 90 days... that's stretching it where I'm at but there'll be shorter flowering mums in there somewhere.

Definitely hoping for the Brickland...

Plan is to cross with Princess Diesel F2's for indoor (lot of 18/6 veg rooms that could use a bit more green in the corner for oil production) and smack it with a high CBD strain for outdoor oil production.

Cross ya fingers.

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Wow, great tips Hydro. Thanks.

Brickland's good, nice plant, fast, will perform for you and on time. But not all that potent. Won't grow it again. GG#2 is great but you won't find beans on the market, look to other growers to point you towards others who have seeds of it themselves. PM me and we may be able to work something out, I don't sell seeds but I am not trusted either it seems. Here or anywhere on forums. ( what that means? I don't know) .

Wolf Island Sativa? Don't know. GG#3 a bit later than #2 but still worth trying, the moose and deer and #%@$#&@ rabbits got most of mine. I am trying them again.
RCMC has another breeder (HS) who seems to specialize in early 'potent' strains. Problem is, try to find smoke report on most of these strains. Mighty Durban is one that seems to be doing well. Very well. Patriot Medecine was a real bust for me. Holding Bionic Guerilla or whatever it's called at the moment and not even sure I will grow them, if I can't find a smoke report on them why should I?

Affie x Mite ? I have hope for them, have some of that too.

People (particularly @ RCMC it seems) don't want to hear this but so far, the best EARLY POTENT strain I have found THAT WORKS FOR ME is the Iranian Auto. Don't like to buy it though as it's way too expensive. But guess what? It's real hard work to prepare sites and I have way too short of a season to f.... with kind of, sort of , maybe's. If it works, well, $15 dollars a bean is frigging crazy but in the end you end up with something. That counts for me.

That's my two cents anyhow and, friends of RCMC like it or not it's not an issue to me! Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against RCMC per say, Canadian breeders, decent prices, if they had something that worked for me for sure, I would be all over that. I'd much rather support smaller breeders. But thus far they don't; and that means that most of my plants this year will be Iranians. AND no I don't have photos and if that mean you don't trust what I say I'll still sleep like a baby tonight. That's the bottom line.

But I will have photo's next year, just have to gear up for it properly.

so long.

Appreciate the heads up... again, I'm getting these genetics to cross with other stuff. Primarily looking for that early flowering gene expression. I don't have any weak strains in my garden. hehehehe

Edit: On second perusal, the GG#3 is definitely more what I'm looking for. Flowers under 18/6, cloneable, stable, fast-flower, fairly cold resistant... Yeah, definitely more what I'm looking for. LOL Thanks!

It'll take a few years but I'm very confident that something worthwhile will come out of it. Hoping to get help from a bunch of people up here as well. Whatever happens, it most certainly won't be boring.

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Have you heard of Purple Maroc from Female Seeds? Some people don't like the taste of it (call it lavender'ish) I love it. But the point is that it's got that semi-auto gene in it. Seems to trigger on time- size rather than light length. I am not expert but I like what it does for me. It's pretty much mould proof too. Only female seeds unfortunately. But I dropped some GG#2 pollen on one of them and I have indoor tryout as we speak and It's very promising.

Incidentally some say the Iranian is a selved Auto-Affie, the Affie that is not really an Affie if we trust some people.... food for thoughts!

niceeven said:

Brickland's good, nice plant, fast, will perform for you and on time. But not all that potent. Won't grow it again. GG#2 is great but you won't find beans on the market, look to other growers to point you towards others who have seeds of it themselves. PM me and we may be able to work something out, I don't sell seeds but I am not trusted either it seems. Here or anywhere on forums. ( what that means? I don't know) .

Wolf Island Sativa? Don't know. GG#3 a bit later than #2 but still worth trying, the moose and deer and #%@$#&@ rabbits got most of mine. I am trying them again.
RCMC has another breeder (HS) who seems to specialize in early 'potent' strains. Problem is, try to find smoke report on most of these strains. Mighty Durban is one that seems to be doing well. Very well. Patriot Medecine was a real bust for me. Holding Bionic Guerilla or whatever it's called at the moment and not even sure I will grow them, if I can't find a smoke report on them why should I?

Affie x Mite ? I have hope for them, have some of that too.

People (particularly @ RCMC it seems) don't want to hear this but so far, the best EARLY POTENT strain I have found THAT WORKS FOR ME is the Iranian Auto. Don't like to buy it though as it's way too expensive. But guess what? It's real hard work to prepare sites and I have way too short of a season to f.... with kind of, sort of , maybe's. If it works, well, $15 dollars a bean is frigging crazy but in the end you end up with something. That counts for me.

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But I will have photo's next year, just have to gear up for it properly.

so long.

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Thats interesting!
Ive just checked out the Iranian auto and it looks really great. I cant tell if its a true auto or a 22/2. Anyone here that knows..?
Sweet 105 Auto Flower seems nice too (well, I recon thats cus its his only other AF LOL)


Ive checked out RCMC a little and found these strains. I think I missed some earlyflowering.
Auto Afghan x Mighty might F3
Guerilla Gold #3
Wolf Island Sativa
Brickland
Guerilla Pearls
Semi Auto Grape Guerilla
Early Guerrilla Skunk
Fast Bionic Guerilla

"Auto Afghan X Mighty Might F3
Multi moms were used with a single later finishing dad. Skunky, hashy and diesely taste, depending on the plant, with a very nice high. Yield is lower due to the auto genetics involved. My goal was to bring up the yield with a longer vegetative time of the dad.
Indoor (70-90 Days)
Outdoor (End July to Mid August)"

This is just what im looking for I think.. That should be like 22/2, aye?

I'm so happy that we are a few that are looking into this and share knowledge and experience! I cant tell how excited I am bout the upcomming outdoor-season 2013!

I will cry of happiness when I get that strain that will be allowed to veg from 1 march to be planted outside 1 june as a minor monster, and become a monster of monsters in another 2 months!

btw, be sure to remember us for a update when you have that major breakthrou, Hydro-Soil! ;p

Best of luck to you all!
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Femora said:

I will cry of happiness when I get that strain that will be allowed to veg from 1 march to be planted outside 1 june as a minor monster, and become a monster of monsters in another 2 months!

btw, be sure to remember us for a update when you have that major breakthrou, Hydro-Soil! ;p

Best of luck to you all!
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That strain is kind of there bro: Iranian auto. Iranian WON'T flower under 24 hours of light. Plant it in March, veg and take it out in June it should be done in early August or something.

Sweet 105: discontinued, GOOD mines never germinated for the most part, those that did ended up on the compost pile.... wayyyyy to slow, no vigour. The doc did not want to hear nothing about that too. Not easy to deal with the doc I reckon. But the iranian does work for me so I guess I am stuck with him for another season

Highrise seeds; Jury is still out for me. The breeder has a breeder section on another forum. No way to get good grow reports on most of his strains. Bluebonic x GG3 has great reviews. That's good. BUT I don't have that . I have Fast Bionic Guerilla, there is a thread on it, some guy ask for a smoke report, breeder says there will be one. That's in August, we are in January, nothing. See what I mean. Also, IMO the guy is a bit of a loose cannon. Mention the words : Iranian Auto and he flys off the handle. But I don't care about that if he has good strains. Problem is, if I can't see reports from another brother or two ANYWHERE why should I grow his strains. His Patriot Medecine looked good for me UNTIL the cold season came. Then they wasted away where other strains just stood there like nothing had happened.

GG3 worth trying IMO

Auto Affie X Mighty Mite I have and hope it will be good, if it's a true auto affie cross there should be AA dominant plants and it should be fine.

Wolf Island Sativa : don't know

Brickland: The best plant I had last summer vigour wise. Grows great, finishes great, but a little bland and not the most potent. Not bad, but not great.

There are other breeders too at that place you are talking about, who knows, some of their strains may work for you.

I am mostly banking on Purple Maroc, Iranian Auto, some autos for early harvest and those mentioned already.

Good luck to you, and everyone else for that matter!!!!!

Iranian Auto = not a true Auto. Just a photo sensitive early feno.

There is a tear going down my cheek. A tear of happiness and excitement!!

Thanks niceeven & offthehook for those posts!

Correct me if im wrong, but are the RCMC-seeds all regular..? There is only one section with fems(?)
Is it 12 seeds/45$?

yeah $45 for the most part, all regular, always a few more seeds. Good deal that way.

Yep I think there is one section for fem seeds now.....

be safe....

Since im soooo offside in genetics, seeds and that part I have to let out a question that might be a really retarded one...

If I use a male Brickland on a female Brickland, will I then get "regular Bricklands"?
In other words ;Will I get a few 100s of the seeds I bought for 45$ "last season"?

Or will I somehow loose some genetics eg the early-flowering-gene?

I figure this post might end up in the archives as "most stupid post 2013"