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Seaweed for rooting clones?

Dignan

The Soapmaker!
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Hey all-

I recently cloned some grapevines to share with friends and since I had so many I ran an informal side-by-side experiment where 1/2 were soaked in water for 48 hours and then put into soil... the other 1/2 were soaked in a mild seaweed solution and then put into soil. The 1/2 that were soaked in seaweed all rooted several days before the 1/2 that were soaked in water.

For those of you who clone regularly, do you ever use seaweed, either as a soak or by foliar spraying your cuttings while they root?

*I'm not looking for everyone's various methods of cloning... we've been through all that enough times. Just wondering if anyone else has found accelerated rooting times with seaweed specifically.

Dig
 

Lisdexik

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A few weeks ago I decided to experiment with kelp meal while rooting clones. I took twelve cuts of a few different strains, dipped them in water, then into kelp meal, then placed them in a 4" bed of perlite inside a large ziploc container. Just filled it with water until half the perlite was submerged.

11/12 rooted in 9 days or less. The kelp meal left a nasty brown residue in the stems of the cuts, but roots emerged and it didn't seem to have any negative effect on vigour.

Lisdexik
 

GeorgeSmiley

Remembers
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This is my first run using maxicrop liquid seaweed, CC recommended I try it, I didn't use the kelp or same mix but I'm trying it in a couple peoples recommended methods. Straight to soil, vermiculite cloner, and cubes

We will see.

I can say that i watered my mix in a couple cups set them to drain. Next day I placed two seeds in the soil and put them in the cab. 5 days and the healthiest sprouts were standing proud. That's my fastest yet. So who knows, but the seeds were 2 diff, 1 fresh Jack Herer and 1 seed thats like 6 years old given to me by an old guy that I'm sure had them a few and they both popped same day.

Really interested to see what happens, should be any day.

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High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
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I do use a seaweed or kelp extract as a foliar spray after the clones are 7 days old and keep this up until they are ready to go in a SOG.

As a general rule my clones are starting to develop roots or at least getting bumps by this time.

I usually use jiffy pellets or a mix of 60/40 coco/perlite and always use bottom heat set at 24C.

These ones are 3 days old so I'll give them a spray in 4 days and put some more pics up.






I'm very close to a 100% strike rate however I do use Clonex as well. This variety clone quite easily.

Cheers
 

VerdantGreen

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i read somewhwere that nitrogen tends to slow down rooting, or at least plants that were well fed with nitrogen produced clones that rooted slower. seaweed also has some growth hormones though so they may speed up rooting. tbh i have never had a problem just using water.
interesting results dignan!

VG.
 

High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
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i read somewhwere that nitrogen tends to slow down rooting, or at least plants that were well fed with nitrogen produced clones that rooted slower. seaweed also has some growth hormones though so they may speed up rooting. tbh i have never had a problem just using water.
interesting results dignan!

VG.


I think I've read that to about the nitrogen.

I grow SOG style and trim lateral growth at 2 weeks into 12/12. These plants have been on bloom nutes for 2 weeks.

I have used this lateral growth for clones with a very high strike rate even with pistils already developing on them.

Interesting plant cannabis, very versatile.

See the video, "BOTANY OF DESIRE"

Fascinating.

Who's controlling who?
 

Clackamas Coot

Active member
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Hey all-

I recently cloned some grapevines to share with friends and since I had so many I ran an informal side-by-side experiment where 1/2 were soaked in water for 48 hours and then put into soil... the other 1/2 were soaked in a mild seaweed solution and then put into soil. The 1/2 that were soaked in seaweed all rooted several days before the 1/2 that were soaked in water.

For those of you who clone regularly, do you ever use seaweed, either as a soak or by foliar spraying your cuttings while they root?

*I'm not looking for everyone's various methods of cloning... we've been through all that enough times. Just wondering if anyone else has found accelerated rooting times with seaweed specifically.

Dig
Dignan

The founder of Maxicrop, William A. Stephenson, wrote a book 42 years ago titled Seaweed in Agriculture and Horticulture which covered the research on using kelp going back to studies during the WWI era.

Here's an extract of that book and specifically the cite about rooting cuttings with seaweed:
Auxins in seaweed include indolyl-acetic acid (IAA), discovered in seaweed in 1933 for the first time. Two new auxins, as yet unidentified, but unlike any of the known indolyl-acetic acid types, were also discovered in 1958 in the Laminaria and Ascophyllum seaweeds used for processing into dried seaweed meal and liquid extract. These auxins have been found to encourage the growth of more cells -- in which they differ from more familiar types of auxin which simply enlarge the cells without increasing their number. One of the auxins also stimulates growth in both stems and roots of plants, and in this differs from indolyl-acetic acid and its derivatives, which cause cells to elongate but not to divide. The balanced action of this seaweed auxin has not been found in any other auxin.
The rest of the extract is worth reading for other reasons - seaweed vs. mites and mildew, et al.

Buy the best seaweed products that you can - like this one: Keep It Simple Seaweed Powder @ $13.99 per lb. which will last most people 9-12 months. This product differs from Maxicrop which uses an alkaloid extraction process. The KIS Seaweed Powder is made using a cold-extraction process that keeps more of the 'good stuff' in seaweed intact.

Kelp meal tea is also a very viable way to include the benefits of seaweed.

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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Dignan

The main plant in North America processing North Atlantic Seaweed (Ascophyllum N) is Acadian Seaplants, Ltd. in Nova Scotia.

Here are some things that are promoted by that company for using seaweed products:
Seaweed can either be applied to the roots or foliage of the plant. When applied to the foliage it will induce a mild localized and systemic acquired resistance (LAR/SAR) response as well as aid the uptake of certain elemental nutrients into the leaves. When applied to the roots it induces a mild LAR/SAR response as well as stimulates the activity and increases the number of plant beneficial microorganisms found in the rhizosphere. To maximize these ”primary effects”, seaweed should be applied early in a crops productive cycle, initially targeting the roots and later applied to the foliage. An entirely foliage or root application program can also be followed.

Benefits to the Roots

Improvements in plant beneficial rhizosphere microorganism activity and numbers leads to an increase in their production of plant stimulating compounds for example, classic Plant Growth Hormones (PGH) such as cytokinins and auxins. That in turn leads to increased root and shoot growth. Those same microorganisms also produce natural chelating compounds called siderophores that bind iron in low iron situations and make it available to both themselves and the plant. Siderophores can lock-up iron, making it unavailable to certain fungi which may be potentially pathogenic to the plant. Applications of seaweed to seedling/ plant roots, “feeds” selective micro-organisms in the rhizosphere resulting in increased root growth and nutrient availability.

Those same rhizosphere microorganisms can be antagonistic to certain soil-borne major and minor pathogens through the production of specific digestive enzymes, the possible production of antibiotics and via competition for nutrients (such as iron), water and space, making the rhizosphere more suppressive to soil-borne diseases.

The digestive break-down products released from pathogenic fungi by the microbes will induce an SAR response in the plant; that, coupled with the direct, mild LAR/SAR effect of makes the plant more resistant to diseases.

The result of a more disease suppressive rhizosphere and an induced LAR/SAR effect in the plant leads to a reduction in soil-borne disease symptoms. The induced LAR/SAR effect also allows the plant to resist environmental stresses such as drought and salinity to a far greater degree.

The ultimate benefits of seaweed applied to the roots are:
  • A bigger, deeper root system and larger shoots
  • Greater nutrient availability to the plant
  • Less soil-borne disease symptoms on the seedling & plant
  • Increased environmental stress resistance
All these benefits result in better crop establishment and an excellent start to the productive season for biannual or perennial crops.

Benefits to the Foliage

Seaweed can be applied with any standard fertilizer or crop protection spray program. Foliage applications help maintain crop health by both inducing a mild LAR/SAR response in the plant and helping to increase the uptake of elemental nutrients into the plant through the leaves.

The induced LAR/SAR response is manifested in many ways depending upon the actual stress that the crop experiences. There can be:
  • Increased production of phytoalexins (locally produced anti-microbial compounds) both in terms of amount produced and duration at those elevated levels
  • An increase in a variety of different antioxidant enzymes and other quenching agents that mop-up destructive, excited oxygen moieties and free radical
  • Increases in the amount and duration of other defensive proteins or protective compounds such as proline, used by the plant to help it withstand and resist water stresses
A consequence of the increased antioxidant levels and activities is reduced membrane damage, especially reductions in the damage caused to the photosynthetic apparatus, which can result in visibly greener looking plants.

The final result of repeated foliage applications of is a plant in a heightened state of readiness to better resist environmental stresses, diseases and certain, sap-sucking insect pests, ultimately leading to reductions in crop losses caused by any, or all of those stresses and the maintenance of the crops photosynthetic potential.
CC
 

EddieShoestring

Florist
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i always use a seaweed extract when doing cuttings-both as a soak and the occasional foliar. It does speed up the rooting process

CC you're a mine of interesting info-i must try and get some cold pressed extract

cheers
eddieS
 

VerdantGreen

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Boutique Breeder
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great stuff CC!

highcountry - i take my clones at a similar time in the same way - and i tend to leave a week branch or two at the bottom of the plant through flowering just in case i need to take reveg cuttings ;)

VG.
 

Clackamas Coot

Active member
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Another good seaweed extract is KELPAK which is manufactured in South Africa. It uses a completely different extraction process - a mechanical method that produces a clear liquid which is favored by hydroponic nutrient manufacturers because it isn't black like Acadian Seaplant Seaweed Extract or Simple Tea Powdered Seaweed Extract.

KELPAK doesn't use the North Atlantic Seaweed like Maxicrop or Acadian Seaplants but uses instead a South Atlantic seaweed variety (Ecklonia maxima) kelp.

Because it's manufactured in South Africa it seems to be more well known in Europe as a stand-alone product but you can get it from Hydro-Gardens out of Colorado Springs, CO.

A quart is $15.50 and you use 1.5 tsp. per gallon of water. A quart would make 128 gallons.

Just another source/product to consider perhaps.

CC
 
C

CT Guy

Great info. as always CC!

Another good book is Seaweed and Plant Growth by TL Senn. It's under $10 on amazon.com and has some great info. on seaweed.

It's a bit old by academic standards now days, but still has good info. in regards to seaweed being used to increase germination rates and reduce transplantation stress when used in low concentrations. High concentrations actually stunted growth and decreased germination!

Also, the most widely studied and documented seaweed is the cold water processed ascophyllum nodosum, which is what Acadian manufactures and we carry. I use it as a foliar mixed with Tera Vita's LC10+7 on my house plants and herbs, as well as my biodynamic wheatgrass. I've found increased plant growth and health from using this combination, as it seems to correct any micro-mineral deficiencies.
 

GeorgeSmiley

Remembers
Veteran
I only have this maxi grow shit because I SWEAR it's what you told me to buy and then I re read and you said to get the Acadian lol..... Oh well, I'm putting all of this bottle out in the yard.... we gotta get that box of kelp soon CC

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C

CT Guy

I only have this maxi grow shit because I SWEAR it's what you told me to buy and then I re read and you said to get the Acadian lol..... Oh well, I'm putting all of this bottle out in the yard.... we gotta get that box of kelp soon CC

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George,

Use the MaxiCrop, it will work just fine and then depending on how much you need after that you can find the Acadian seaweed or the KIS seaweed (http://simplici-tea.com/seaweed.htm)

Be careful not to put out too much at once, for the reasons I stated in my previous post.
 

EddieShoestring

Florist
Veteran
EddieShoestring, those clones look very healthy.
thanks mate
don't throw out the Maxicrop, GeorgeSmiley, it's good.
here is what i mostly use

not sure by what process it is extracted-it says that it is made in the UK thats all
 

Clackamas Coot

Active member
Veteran
CT Guy

Acadian Seaplants has a liquid product called 'Stimplex' which is distributed in the US by Fertrell and they have a distribution operation somewhere in the '360 Area Code' so I'm assuming that's in and around Seattle.

From the description it sounds a lot like the LC+7 product that you mentioned:
Acadian Seaplant's STIMPLEX® is an all-natural Plant Growth Regulator (PGR) and is registered with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a General Crop Biostimulant. It features naturally occurring plant growth stimulatory compounds, the benefits of the premium marine plant Ascophyllum nodosum, and a complex matrix of elements. STIMPLEX is approved for use on over 80 crops including: Fruits, Vegetables, Field Crops, Cotton, Turf and Ornamentals.
Sounds interesting especially given the manufacturer.

CC
 

GeorgeSmiley

Remembers
Veteran
Oh it's not that it's bad, just that ClackamasCoot explained all this in detail but I forgot my pen that day and a couple days later when I went to the stor I could only remember this maxicrop :D :D

The acadian is $35 for 3 pounds up the street, looks like the KIS is $42 for the same amount is it better,same?

I'm glad to hear the maxicrop is good, the tropical plants on the patio will look great. Usually 150+ containers up to 50gal along with all my flower beds. My outdoor garden is actually more vital to me than the marijuana. When I started spending 20+ hours gardening a week my life changed. My happiness depends on planting flowers,

I was toying with the idea of a big brewer and then actually bought a commercial backpack sprayer to spray teas, then someone told me I should use a hose end sprayer instead....... lol I like to go shopping before I have the info can you tell? :D :D


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Clackamas Coot

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GS

It's been my experience that buying by the single pound (regardless of the small price difference) is the better way to go. That's because the Acadian powder has a tendency to clump - especially the last pound out of a 3 lb. bag from our friends.

Once it clumps it's kind of a PITA - not a huge deal but something to consider perhaps.

CC
 

GeorgeSmiley

Remembers
Veteran
Thanks for the advice, I'm sure a lot of the amendments I need to buy might have the same issues. Best thing about trying to get people to go in on things..... 17lbs is better than 50 ;)

Upon reading, both products look to be the highest quality, I'm really looking forward to throwing the phrase traditional organic in the trash soon :)


So does anyone want to describe their cloning or seed germinating process using kelp?
 

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