Selfing Autoflowerers

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Guest

• Nov 9, 2008

• #1

Ive seen some very good pheno's/plants from autoflowering strains and everytime i see one I can't help but to want to try and learn to self the plant in an attempt to capture the pheno. From my perspective, a femmed autoflowerer is the pentacle of cannabis breeding and cannabis development and am just dying to try it.

Any trailblazers out there? What is to be the outcome? What are the pitfalls?

 

Greens

Active member

• Nov 9, 2008

• #2

Onamission feminized my autoflower select line of Guerilla Gold. I never grew them out this year, but according to him, they are awesome frosty plants with nice potency and a very early finish. The fact that they are all female is just awesome for guerilla growers too!

I've been getting numerous requests to fem the GG myself, but I haven't gotten around to it. I don't have an indoor grow at the moment, so it will at least have to wait until next summer. It would be the first time for me to make femmed beans, so it would be a bit of an experiment.

Greens

 

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Brad

• Nov 9, 2008

• #3

im thinking of trying it out, it would be good for production and guerilla farmers

 

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mexilandrace

• Nov 9, 2008

• #4

I don't work with autoflowerers, nor have I ever selfed anything on purpose.

How quickly can you make make male flowers appear on a female plant?

It seems like it would be kinda hard to get the timing perfect if it takes a few weeks to get a plant to hermi...

 

johnyhash

Cannabis Connoisseur

ICMag Donor

• Nov 9, 2008

• #5

Hey silver back your on the ball. I am sure you could make this happen by whatever means you choose. I have thought about this a lot. I wonder if its possible for crops to become largely pollenated if a fem goes hermi? I have never had a hermie outside so its not a huge concern but it is something that should be considered for large plots. I dont think it would happen, what do all you experts think?

 

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psilopod

Member

• Nov 10, 2008

• #6

This is definitely where it's at silverback. They're small, discreet, and as soon as you fem. them they become efficient as well. I'm quite sure that if you treat the auto w/ a gibberelic acid solution early in flower that it'll throw some bananas plenty in time, and if not, save the pollen for next round, autos are fast

My experience has also been quite positive w/ feminised seeds outdoors as I have never had one go hermi on me. With that being said they will sometimes display hermi traits in higher stress indoor environments, but that goes w/o saying.

I have experience doing a fem. seed run once and you can definitely get your whole crop seeded quite effectively with relatively few hermi's. I'd guess to say that one or two good hermi's would do your whole crop in nicely(if there ever was such a thing).

If any of you guys are interested I'm going to be doing a bunch of breeding runs this winter as I setup 2-3 new flower locations. Atleast one will be operational in the near future. If you guys have any genetics that you'd like tested out or worked on, I'm more than willing and I will have more than enough space once things get going. Regardless I'll let you guys know how things are going as they progress and I'll be getting a digital camera as well so that will make things more interesting for sure.

 

THRIPS AHOY!

Member

• Nov 10, 2008

• #7

Wicked idea.I ordered some diselryder ahwile back with the intention of doing a seed run. It never even crossed my mind to self them.Seeds never showed up anyways so that idea is shit.I have checked out that guerilla gold by greens there it looks really nice for an auto.Keep up the good work and keep the ideas coming.Nice thinkin silver.

 

G

Guest

• Nov 10, 2008

• #8

Do a thread on it psilopod, we'll all follow along.
Good questio Mexi

Ive been wearing my thinkin cap lately Johnny/Thrips

Greens, several of the crosses Ive seen of GG are resin coated and early as hell. Potent and early just happen to be the 2 primary requirements of every single outdoor grower in the world living north of the 30th parallel.
Potent, early and female is surely the dream of every outdoor grower.

Brad, you could revolutionize the seed world.If you ever fem that CongoX GG, I want to be the first customer. With a femmed auto ,at my lat, I could grow 2 crops per season,1 I harvest in early Aug and the other mid oct. It would illiminate the need to find a female and begin cloning and hardening off and all of that work. Just plant the seeds and wait for 3 months. BUDS!

I havent really grown any of the true autoflowerers but the category's of "auto" and " Photoperiod sensitive" is sometimes confusing to me. Of the strains Ive bought or seen someone else grow, my sense is that out of a pack of seeds, about 1/4 of the plants flower quickly, like in July and august, while the rest of the plants finish early Sept. Its that July/ August plant that Im after.

Do you think the ratio of Auto's appearance would increase from the 1/4% it seems to be now to the condition that all of the plants would be flowering in July?

 

Last edited: Nov 10, 2008

wisco61

Member

• Nov 11, 2008

• #9

Just yesterday I started 5 joint doc AK47xLR2 fem seeds. I have some silver wire en route to make collodial silver to try and hermie them. I'm hoping to make a boatload of seeds for next year outdoor. I'll keep you all updated.

 

G

Guest

• Nov 11, 2008

• #10

Good luck wisco, keep us posted.

 

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psilopod

Member

• Nov 12, 2008

• #11

I'll definitely do a thread on it as things start to progress. For now I have to get ready for the big move. I'm relocating 10hrs away in 2 days. I already have a place there, but I gotta get all my stuff there

As far as the auto gear is concerned I'm working on a few lines w/ Mossy whenever he returns from hiatus, or atleast that's what's been discussed so far. I've also got some diesel ryder beans/crosses/pollen on the way as well to play with. I'll definitely be keeping myself busy. The trick is to keep it at a manageable level and keep everything well planned/tight.

I did a round of auto ak's last winter that went fairly well. I brought out some decent pheno's in the stock. One of them busted 6oz indoors, the "giant pheno", about 85-90 days. All that gears history though at this point. That actually made it to the Doc though after I had left. My old partner had started selling the wares to Doc as seedstock. I was kind of proud of it, but a little disappointed at the same time as I had not been more involved on the business end of it. I didn't care about the money, which he made a ton of by the way, I just wanted the industry experience/connections. All in due time though. I have many a year ahead of me.

 

wisco61

Member

• Dec 3, 2008

• #12

unfortunately i can't find my camera so no pics...

2 of 5 are growing for me. One a good bit larger than the other. The larger one has been sprayed with colloidal silver about 5 times. I saw female preflowers today, so it should start flowering soon, hopefully some balls show up. I guess I will continue spraying it every other day and see whats what.

 

G

Guest

• Dec 4, 2008

• #13

How did you make your CS again wisco? Keep us updated my interest level for this issue is big..

 

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wisco61

Member

• Dec 4, 2008

• #14

I bought some .999 pure silver wire off ebay and got the rest at radio shack. Just a 9 volt battery clip with 2 gator clips attached. Gator clip the pieces of silver wire and stick them in the water not touching. I used a gatorade bottle and masking tape for the true ghetto setup. Just let it run for a few hours until I saw the water turn color and flakes of silver floating around. Poured that in a spray bottle and have been giving it a heavy misting every other day.



here is a pic from today, about 3 weeks from seed. I have only sprayed the larger one, 6 times.

 

Last edited: Dec 4, 2008

Fast_Pine

Member

• Dec 4, 2008

• #15

Hey Silverback.

I made 2 gallons of colloidial silver a fiew months ago. I started spraying a Chrystal clone a week or two before I sent her into bloom. She started busting pods everywhere, I was syched. As soon as they started popping open I polinated another CH plant and some Mendo's..Only 15 % of the pistil's died and turned red after my supposid pollination. This worried me. I ve been blooming them out for the last wile, and am sad to report. NO seeds.

I still have faith though..
Next time I will use a different strain, polinate twice, and wait alot longer to wash off the pollen ( this time I only waited 2-3 hours).

Ive been thinking that the best way to make fems is not to self the strain, but use its "feminized pollen" to dust other plants in an attempt to stay away from inbreeding.

The first time I make fem seeds I will self a plant to test my hypothesis.

 

Last edited: Dec 4, 2008

G

Guest

• Dec 5, 2008

• #16

Dang that's dissapointing FP. I guess there is some good news in that CS does seem to initiate male flower production but damn, Sterile pollen, I wonder why? I wonder if thats common with CS or somehow strain specific. Im going to the breeding section and see if theres any more reports of sterile pollen or how sterile pollen occurs.

Im not following your hypothesis of the best way "not to self the strian, but use its femmed pollen". What is your thinkiing on this? Im determined to get there too. Your efforts are helpful and enlightening..

How'd the Affie #1 turn out FP?

 

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Brad

• Dec 5, 2008

• #17

use sts next time, Ive seen other reports of cs doing the same thing

 

Fast_Pine

Member

• Dec 5, 2008

• #18

silverback said:

Dang that's dissapointing FP. I guess there is some good news in that CS does seem to initiate male flower production but damn, Sterile pollen, I wonder why? I wonder if thats common with CS or somehow strain specific. Im going to the breeding section and see if theres any more reports of sterile pollen or how sterile pollen occurs.

Im not following your hypothesis of the best way "not to self the strian, but use its femmed pollen". What is your thinkiing on this? Im determined to get there too. Your efforts are helpful and enlightening..

How'd the Affie #1 turn out FP?

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Im hoping its strain specific(sterile pollen)
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As afar as the fem pollen, Ive been told that pollinating a plant with its own genes is inbreeding, and the best way to get stable feminized seeds is to use the pollen from a flipped female on another plant/strain so as to keep away fron crossing the same genes. I understand that alot of the problems with herms and fem beans comes from inbreeding.

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Heres my flipped Chrystal.





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The sativa pheno of the AFI was fuckin horrible!..It needed til november to finnish. The indica pheno was alright. To be honest I didnt really like it alone, but the Sensi star, Afgani cross was absolutely amazing.

 

Last edited: Dec 5, 2008

G

Guest

• Dec 6, 2008

• #19

ahh. understood.

I feel the sts is the way to go as well Brad, finding a source for it is problematic. I may begin that search in earnest. There must be someway to get ahold of it as others have.

 

hoosierdaddy

Active member

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Veteran

• Dec 6, 2008

• #20

Auto strain or not, I agree with FP about not inbreeding immediately to the pollen donor.

I wouldn't give up on the CS. I think the right ppm, and conditions, will net the desired results. Other stuff is just plain hard to get or not safe.

Just a thought...but I have serious doubts about the effectiveness of a 9vdc battery as a CS generator. I'm gonna give it a shot myself, but I think I will use something with more amperage, like an ac/dc transformer @ ~.5-1 amp
Havin the right silver is probably key too.