nice update Blunt 
how did you manage to remove all the male plants' roots from the bubbler?
cheers
how did you manage to remove all the male plants' roots from the bubbler?
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hey Blunt Africa sorry for not responding on time but i jump in and out now and then lol!I vegged for 6 weeks in bubbler under 250 mh.but she was huge so i took clones and cut little branches and put her into flower while i waited for clones to root and i must say they overgrown their bubbler i used 4 clones into 15 gallon bucket all together and two big airstones.i must say u have,so nice buds it make me drool loool!
stay safe and good luck with next grows
BAH.
stay safe and good luck with next grows
BAH.
Blunt Africa
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Howzit HOTC
Those roots were not a problem in the end to untangle. I simply opened up the lid and gently separated the roots by wiggling my fingers through the roots as I slowly pushed my hand down between them. I then lifted the pot out through the hole along with the roots.
Of course I broke a few roots off, but sometimes I think we underestimate how strong these plants actually are. The weed is course, a 'weed' so can deal with knocks.
While this method of separating roots worked for me, I would not really want to get into a situation where I'd have to separate 2 root systems that have been allowed to intertwine for a 6-8 week veg cycle, that'd be a bitch.
Hey Bad, thanks for stopping bye.
What you are saying their about your clones all being in one dwc is straight up, you know that they are all female so no sweat there. That is how I should be doing it, and not faffing around with separating roots.
I like variety though so don't really want to grow one strain over and over. This seems to be the best way for what I want right now, and I'm digging it....
Thanks for the comments, I'm looking forwar now to the C99 and BM gettign a bit bigger.
Any news on what the stretch on the C99 is like?
Those roots were not a problem in the end to untangle. I simply opened up the lid and gently separated the roots by wiggling my fingers through the roots as I slowly pushed my hand down between them. I then lifted the pot out through the hole along with the roots.
Of course I broke a few roots off, but sometimes I think we underestimate how strong these plants actually are. The weed is course, a 'weed' so can deal with knocks.
While this method of separating roots worked for me, I would not really want to get into a situation where I'd have to separate 2 root systems that have been allowed to intertwine for a 6-8 week veg cycle, that'd be a bitch.
Hey Bad, thanks for stopping bye.
What you are saying their about your clones all being in one dwc is straight up, you know that they are all female so no sweat there. That is how I should be doing it, and not faffing around with separating roots.
I like variety though so don't really want to grow one strain over and over. This seems to be the best way for what I want right now, and I'm digging it....
Thanks for the comments, I'm looking forwar now to the C99 and BM gettign a bit bigger.
Any news on what the stretch on the C99 is like?
Blunt Africa
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Thanks VT, I'll be bearing that in mind, sounds like she likes to acts like a real Sativa.
Let me pop over to your thread there with your F2 c99
Let me pop over to your thread there with your F2 c99
Blunt Africa
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Hey all
Here's the latest.
Starting first with the BM and C99.
On the right of the pic you can see the BM, she is doing well huh? This is after a week or so on 24/0. She has put on some good foliage growth and will be ready to go back into the 12/12 cab in a week or so.
in the left of the pic further back is the C99. Not looking so groovy huh? She has really struggled since being put into the dwc. I do think that she was put in there too late and got a real shock. Have a look at her leaves and let me know what you think, nute burn perhaps?
Here is a pic of a leaf I trimmed off her.
Anyone (VT?) know how sensitive C99 is to nutes?
Now here are the Satori now
compared to a week or so ago
What a difference is size huh? The two on the left were the ones I put into the big bubbler and they have really started to take off. They seems to have just about slowed down in stretch but naturally I'll need to keep an eye on them for the next week or so and raise the light if required.
The two Satori on the right are doing ok. the one in the forefront is a female and the one at the back is a dude. See how different in size the female in the front left of the pic is compared to the one in the front right. I think it must be all that extra root space in the large DWC and the kicking airstone in there.
Here is a shot that shows the size of the fan leaves that are on the two large Satori's. I'm havinf to trim the largest of these poff the plants so that the light gets through to lower budsites that are starting to form.
The small male and female Satori there are gonna get chopped and binned. I'll set up another of those big DWC and use that for the BM and C99.
Let me know what you think the problemo wit hthe C99 might be...
L8rz
BA
Here's the latest.
Starting first with the BM and C99.
On the right of the pic you can see the BM, she is doing well huh? This is after a week or so on 24/0. She has put on some good foliage growth and will be ready to go back into the 12/12 cab in a week or so.
in the left of the pic further back is the C99. Not looking so groovy huh? She has really struggled since being put into the dwc. I do think that she was put in there too late and got a real shock. Have a look at her leaves and let me know what you think, nute burn perhaps?
Here is a pic of a leaf I trimmed off her.
Anyone (VT?) know how sensitive C99 is to nutes?
Now here are the Satori now
compared to a week or so ago
What a difference is size huh? The two on the left were the ones I put into the big bubbler and they have really started to take off. They seems to have just about slowed down in stretch but naturally I'll need to keep an eye on them for the next week or so and raise the light if required.
The two Satori on the right are doing ok. the one in the forefront is a female and the one at the back is a dude. See how different in size the female in the front left of the pic is compared to the one in the front right. I think it must be all that extra root space in the large DWC and the kicking airstone in there.
Here is a shot that shows the size of the fan leaves that are on the two large Satori's. I'm havinf to trim the largest of these poff the plants so that the light gets through to lower budsites that are starting to form.
The small male and female Satori there are gonna get chopped and binned. I'll set up another of those big DWC and use that for the BM and C99.
Let me know what you think the problemo wit hthe C99 might be...
L8rz
BA
I am no expert...I am new and really don't know anything...so make sure you get a second opinion....and more even....
I don't think it's nute burn. If anything...in the 1st pic I see a nutrient disorder...but not overfert...I see uniform yellowing on the c99 older growth....IME when it's uniform an starts on lower growth...it's a mobile nutrient disorder (but I am not sure)
I am not a fan of multi-plant containers or common reservoirs with multiple strains
What is the PH? What is the rez temp?
Oh...and what is the EC/PPM?
peace
I don't think it's nute burn. If anything...in the 1st pic I see a nutrient disorder...but not overfert...I see uniform yellowing on the c99 older growth....IME when it's uniform an starts on lower growth...it's a mobile nutrient disorder (but I am not sure)
I am not a fan of multi-plant containers or common reservoirs with multiple strains
What is the PH? What is the rez temp?
Oh...and what is the EC/PPM?
peace
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Blunt Africa
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Thanks for the comments VT.
I did a PH test last night and it was high (-+ 8ph!) so I brought that down to 6. Rez temps are at about 26 DegC.
I do not know what the ppm's are as I do not use a ppm meter. I generally run at 50% of recommended nute strength when doing my mix. This has served me well so far, it is something that I will look at sometime soon cause I know that you need to use a ppm meter if you want real top notch results.
Hope fully the ph adjustment will help the C99 to recover and buid hersel up again. I did a test of the other 2 dwc and fund that they are high also. I'll be adjusting their ph's tonight and will check every couple of days or so.
I did a PH test last night and it was high (-+ 8ph!) so I brought that down to 6. Rez temps are at about 26 DegC.
I do not know what the ppm's are as I do not use a ppm meter. I generally run at 50% of recommended nute strength when doing my mix. This has served me well so far, it is something that I will look at sometime soon cause I know that you need to use a ppm meter if you want real top notch results.
Hope fully the ph adjustment will help the C99 to recover and buid hersel up again. I did a test of the other 2 dwc and fund that they are high also. I'll be adjusting their ph's tonight and will check every couple of days or so.
Well it was the PH...glad you caught that Bad PH, or fluctuating PH can look like nute deficiencies to us new growers....and what many of us do (I did when I had nute lockout) is add nutes thinking it will solve the problem....when it makes it worse...
PH is extremely important...unless using a PH buffered nutrient....I always have strive for the 5.8 to 6.2 range
EC meter much less crucial than PH meter...if I had to choose between the two...I'd take a PH tester....it'll be a few days before you see any results...
One thing you can do to help them recover from nute lockout faster, is to foliar feed (adjusted PH foliar feed)...you could even use your nutes at 25% or less....
good job adjusting the PH
Bad PH, or fluctuating PH can look like nute deficiencies to us new growers....and what many of us do (I did when I had nute lockout) is add nutes thinking it will solve the problem....when it makes it worse...PH is extremely important...unless using a PH buffered nutrient....I always have strive for the 5.8 to 6.2 range
EC meter much less crucial than PH meter...if I had to choose between the two...I'd take a PH tester....it'll be a few days before you see any results...
One thing you can do to help them recover from nute lockout faster, is to foliar feed (adjusted PH foliar feed)...you could even use your nutes at 25% or less....
good job adjusting the PH
Try getting the rez temps down if you can....
Try getting the rez temps down if you can....
Oh....one more thing....26c is a bit high IMO...I'd try and get closer to 22c...
High rez temps mess up the feeding and other stuff....on your last thread when you transplanted from soil we covered rez temps a little bit I think
peace
Try getting the rez temps down if you can....
Oh....one more thing....26c is a bit high IMO...I'd try and get closer to 22c...
High rez temps mess up the feeding and other stuff....on your last thread when you transplanted from soil we covered rez temps a little bit I think
peace
Blunt Africa
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Yup
I've actually got one of my DWC without a heater in there. The one with the Satori and BM.
I wanna see how it goes. We are coming into summer down here in SA, means that ambient room temps can get up to 30DegC +. This will keep the res's warmer without the use of a heater, also when the lights come on it will get a heap warmer too.
This is also something I'm going to have to keep an eye on. I have my lights on at night when it is cooler but it is gonna get hot & humid at night and that means a hot cab!!
I've actually got one of my DWC without a heater in there. The one with the Satori and BM.
I wanna see how it goes. We are coming into summer down here in SA, means that ambient room temps can get up to 30DegC +. This will keep the res's warmer without the use of a heater, also when the lights come on it will get a heap warmer too.
This is also something I'm going to have to keep an eye on. I have my lights on at night when it is cooler but it is gonna get hot & humid at night and that means a hot cab!!
Blunt Africa
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Here's a quick update for you all
Here's the satori
and a closeup of the one in front.
See how much they've bushed out!
The one at the back was actually about 10cm shorter when they were transplanted into the big DWC but she has stretched to be even taller than the one in front now. (she is the one on the right in this picture)
I've also noticed that the one in the front has real citrus twangy smell whereas the one at the back has a definite Indica kind of smell that reminded me of the NL I grew last. Here is a closeup of the bud on the citrus Satori.
You can probably see that soem leaves are looking a bit dry and crusty, this was because she grew a little too close to the lights and got a bit burnt. They aer coming along nicely right now.
One question though, do yuo think I should trim the fan leaves higher up? So that I can let more light through to the lower budsites?
Here are the other single Satori (front)with the BM(back). These guys are way behind the two larger satori in size. And whilst the BM is starting to flower (after being on 24/0 for a week or two) I'm having to keep an eye on her cause she is not looking like atypical female, her pistils are kinda wild and all over the place, a hermie in the making perhaps?
Here is a pic of the whole lot
Lastly is the C99.
She has improved from when I lowered the PH but still is not growing at all. Seems if she is using all her energy just to stay alive rather than get bigger. I'm contemplating transplanting her back to soil and growing her out using this medium instead. The poor thing is having a rough ride of it at the moment...
I'm starting to think of my next grow already and am thinking of growing some Fem NL and Fem Cinnamon, alongside some Skunk x Durban Poison. I'll grow some in soil and some in a DWC. My lady does not like hydro too much so I'll be incorporating soil grows to keep thing a bit calmer for her...
Here's the satori
and a closeup of the one in front.
See how much they've bushed out!
The one at the back was actually about 10cm shorter when they were transplanted into the big DWC but she has stretched to be even taller than the one in front now. (she is the one on the right in this picture)
I've also noticed that the one in the front has real citrus twangy smell whereas the one at the back has a definite Indica kind of smell that reminded me of the NL I grew last. Here is a closeup of the bud on the citrus Satori.
You can probably see that soem leaves are looking a bit dry and crusty, this was because she grew a little too close to the lights and got a bit burnt. They aer coming along nicely right now.
One question though, do yuo think I should trim the fan leaves higher up? So that I can let more light through to the lower budsites?
Here are the other single Satori (front)with the BM(back). These guys are way behind the two larger satori in size. And whilst the BM is starting to flower (after being on 24/0 for a week or two) I'm having to keep an eye on her cause she is not looking like atypical female, her pistils are kinda wild and all over the place, a hermie in the making perhaps?
Here is a pic of the whole lot
Lastly is the C99.
She has improved from when I lowered the PH but still is not growing at all. Seems if she is using all her energy just to stay alive rather than get bigger. I'm contemplating transplanting her back to soil and growing her out using this medium instead. The poor thing is having a rough ride of it at the moment...
I'm starting to think of my next grow already and am thinking of growing some Fem NL and Fem Cinnamon, alongside some Skunk x Durban Poison. I'll grow some in soil and some in a DWC. My lady does not like hydro too much so I'll be incorporating soil grows to keep thing a bit calmer for her...
High Blunt Africa Nice update bro! They look great. Well except the c99...yea she looks stunted...she will make a comeback, but too far behind looks like. You've learned some good stuff so far this grow (especially regarding PH)
So the Satori is a citrus smell, eh? I've read on it on Seedbay before, but didn't remember, or catch the citrus scent...sounds good
peace
Nice update bro! They look great. Well except the c99...yea she looks stunted...she will make a comeback, but too far behind looks like. You've learned some good stuff so far this grow (especially regarding PH) Generally speaking, I think it's best to leave healthy leaves alone. I would try and tie them back...tuck them...one grow I trimmed some fan leaves, but didn't cut them completely. I like pruning lower growth in my grows though.
So the Satori is a citrus smell, eh? I've read on it on Seedbay before, but didn't remember, or catch the citrus scent...sounds good
peace
Blunt Africa
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Hey VT
Thanks for the support man.
What I'll probably do is trim a few of the larger leaves off, there are a lot of smaller ones growing so there still be great light catching ability going on... I've read people saying that you should leave all leaves as trimming can slow growth, other say to trim the leaves covering budsites, other say tain leaves under buds etc. I think I'll rtim a few and see how that goes.
Yup, there is a real citrussy smell goin on with the one. And this means Sativa to me, I remember growing out some seeds that I got from some weed from a friend of mine here in SA, and they stank of citrus and had a mega up buzz!! Great stuff! I can remember as it was my first grow ever and these girls tripled in size, back then I did not know what stretch was!! lol
Thanks for the support man.
What I'll probably do is trim a few of the larger leaves off, there are a lot of smaller ones growing so there still be great light catching ability going on... I've read people saying that you should leave all leaves as trimming can slow growth, other say to trim the leaves covering budsites, other say tain leaves under buds etc. I think I'll rtim a few and see how that goes.
Yup, there is a real citrussy smell goin on with the one. And this means Sativa to me, I remember growing out some seeds that I got from some weed from a friend of mine here in SA, and they stank of citrus and had a mega up buzz!! Great stuff! I can remember as it was my first grow ever and these girls tripled in size, back then I did not know what stretch was!! lol
Blunt Africa
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Hey all
Have a look at this pic.
Throughout this thread I've been mostly focussing on the Satori and not that much on the BM.
Notice the leaves.... this is a mature plant now and the new leaves that have come out have only 2 to 3 fingers. Lower down the plant the leaves have 5 fingers. Signs of stress? Remember she was taken out of 12/12 and put under 24/0 for a week or two and then has been put back into the flower cab. Seems odd no?
Here is a closer shot of the top of the BM, see how the pistils are twisted and pathetic looking, is this a hermie wannabe? or is this BM deciding it wants to be a mutant?
I've also taken that C99 and put her back into soil, a mixture of top soil , sifted potting soil and perlite. looking at her after I watered her I think the soil is too compact with not enough airation scope there for the roots. What I will do today is change teh soil for a 100% sieved pottig soil/perlite mix, that will be much better for the roots to grow through. I say sieved potting soil cause here in SA the potting I buy comes with a load of bark/wood chips mixed in, which the weed does not like too much, can make the soil more acid over time.
Here's the C99 now
I'll grow her in soil now and get her to recover, I think it will take some time but hopefully I'll get somewhere with her...
Have a look at this pic.
Throughout this thread I've been mostly focussing on the Satori and not that much on the BM.
Notice the leaves.... this is a mature plant now and the new leaves that have come out have only 2 to 3 fingers. Lower down the plant the leaves have 5 fingers. Signs of stress? Remember she was taken out of 12/12 and put under 24/0 for a week or two and then has been put back into the flower cab. Seems odd no?
Here is a closer shot of the top of the BM, see how the pistils are twisted and pathetic looking, is this a hermie wannabe? or is this BM deciding it wants to be a mutant?
I've also taken that C99 and put her back into soil, a mixture of top soil , sifted potting soil and perlite. looking at her after I watered her I think the soil is too compact with not enough airation scope there for the roots. What I will do today is change teh soil for a 100% sieved pottig soil/perlite mix, that will be much better for the roots to grow through. I say sieved potting soil cause here in SA the potting I buy comes with a load of bark/wood chips mixed in, which the weed does not like too much, can make the soil more acid over time.
Here's the C99 now
I'll grow her in soil now and get her to recover, I think it will take some time but hopefully I'll get somewhere with her...
Blunt Africa
Member
Hi all
I did a new nute changes last night for my girls and managd to get a good look at them, here's a group shot (back right is the BM) and also a shot of the tallest satori.
The Satori's are gonna have nice long cola's it looks like to me. These girls are now touching 2 feet tall which is great considering the were put into their bubblers about a week after popping. This growth is at least 3 times as much as when I did a 12/12 from seed in soil.
Now a concern is the BM, I'll need you to have a look at these pics and tell me if you think it is a hermie.
Firstly have a look at the leaves, 3 fingers are growing on the top leaves and some of these leaves appear webbed.
Secondly look at the budsites that forming, they do appear to be inconsistent in relation to a healthy female bud. I'm also looking closely to see small banana shapes growing from the buds.
Give me your input on this one, also let me know what level of risk a hermnie has by staying in the grow cab. I do not want it to heavily pollinate my other girls, a few seeds I can handle..
Thanks in advance guys and girls
I did a new nute changes last night for my girls and managd to get a good look at them, here's a group shot (back right is the BM) and also a shot of the tallest satori.
The Satori's are gonna have nice long cola's it looks like to me. These girls are now touching 2 feet tall which is great considering the were put into their bubblers about a week after popping. This growth is at least 3 times as much as when I did a 12/12 from seed in soil.
Now a concern is the BM, I'll need you to have a look at these pics and tell me if you think it is a hermie.
Firstly have a look at the leaves, 3 fingers are growing on the top leaves and some of these leaves appear webbed.
Secondly look at the budsites that forming, they do appear to be inconsistent in relation to a healthy female bud. I'm also looking closely to see small banana shapes growing from the buds.
Give me your input on this one, also let me know what level of risk a hermnie has by staying in the grow cab. I do not want it to heavily pollinate my other girls, a few seeds I can handle..
Thanks in advance guys and girls
Blunt Africa
Member
Hey everyone
Here's an update for you all on how things are shaping up.
The two Satori's are nearing the end of their trip
This morning I did their last water change with straight PH adjusted water and an addition of GH Ripen, this will take them through to when I harvest in about 8/10 days time.
Here are some more shots of these 2 girls
Both of these girls are forming nice fat cola's especially the short satori. I've also noticed on her that a seed or two have formed. I'm not too worried about this, there is only a week to go so no real chance of anything major going wrong.
Nest up we have the Blue Mystic and Satori who are sharing the same dwc.
(BM on left, Satori on right).
If you remember earlier on in my thread I was suspicious that I'de got the BM and the Satori's mixed up, and that I was pretty sure that I'd find out when flowering started.
Well I guess I was right, and this single plant is the Blue Mystic. Have a look at this pic...
If you look close at the budsites you can see little bits of purple starting to appear. This is appearing on al the budsites on his plant. So it looks lke I'll be one of the lucky few that get some bud from this strain, a lot of folk out there have had real problems getting females from this strain.
Here is a shot of the other satori
She too is growing a nice looking main cola but is still quite a bit shorter than the other 2 satori's, but then again she does have about another 3 weeks or so to go anyhows.
Lastly, do rememebr I had a c99 on the go as well. Well she was not doing so good so I took her out of the dwc and put her back into soil. She has been outside for the last 2/3 weeks and is looking nice and healthy in her new medium (potting soil, top soil, perlite). I actually topped her yesterday as she is starting to get a bit tall. She will be going into teh flowering cab once the 2 Satori's get the chop next week... Will take some pics and post 'em later
Bye for now
BA
Here's an update for you all on how things are shaping up.
The two Satori's are nearing the end of their trip
This morning I did their last water change with straight PH adjusted water and an addition of GH Ripen, this will take them through to when I harvest in about 8/10 days time.
Here are some more shots of these 2 girls
Both of these girls are forming nice fat cola's especially the short satori. I've also noticed on her that a seed or two have formed. I'm not too worried about this, there is only a week to go so no real chance of anything major going wrong.
Nest up we have the Blue Mystic and Satori who are sharing the same dwc.
(BM on left, Satori on right).
If you remember earlier on in my thread I was suspicious that I'de got the BM and the Satori's mixed up, and that I was pretty sure that I'd find out when flowering started.
Well I guess I was right, and this single plant is the Blue Mystic. Have a look at this pic...
If you look close at the budsites you can see little bits of purple starting to appear. This is appearing on al the budsites on his plant. So it looks lke I'll be one of the lucky few that get some bud from this strain, a lot of folk out there have had real problems getting females from this strain.
Here is a shot of the other satori
She too is growing a nice looking main cola but is still quite a bit shorter than the other 2 satori's, but then again she does have about another 3 weeks or so to go anyhows.
Lastly, do rememebr I had a c99 on the go as well. Well she was not doing so good so I took her out of the dwc and put her back into soil. She has been outside for the last 2/3 weeks and is looking nice and healthy in her new medium (potting soil, top soil, perlite). I actually topped her yesterday as she is starting to get a bit tall. She will be going into teh flowering cab once the 2 Satori's get the chop next week... Will take some pics and post 'em later
Bye for now
BA
Blunt Africa
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Blunt Africa
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Hey VT, thanks for stopping by
Here's a pic of the c99
As you can see she has improved under the African sun. You can also see that I've topped her, she'll be going into my flowering cab shortly so I do not want her growing too tall. These girls apparently really stretch.
Here's another pic
On the left is the C99.
The middle is a Masterkush. 2 days ago this one was really nice and bushy, but yesterday when I got home I noticed that she had been ravaged by my dog!! We'll have to see what kind of recovery he/she will make.
On the right is an unknown Sativa. Courtesy of some builders who did some work on my house recently, they were obviously having a toke on the job and a seed was dropped and germed in amongst a patch of grass. Naturally I plucked it out the ground and put it into a pot to see how it goes...
l8rz
Here's a pic of the c99
As you can see she has improved under the African sun. You can also see that I've topped her, she'll be going into my flowering cab shortly so I do not want her growing too tall. These girls apparently really stretch.
Here's another pic
On the left is the C99.
The middle is a Masterkush. 2 days ago this one was really nice and bushy, but yesterday when I got home I noticed that she had been ravaged by my dog!! We'll have to see what kind of recovery he/she will make.
On the right is an unknown Sativa. Courtesy of some builders who did some work on my house recently, they were obviously having a toke on the job and a seed was dropped and germed in amongst a patch of grass. Naturally I plucked it out the ground and put it into a pot to see how it goes...
l8rz
