potency of BHO

Misturemike · Oct 10, 2006

hello everyone...i joined this forum based on the BHO section alone here. and everyone asks whats in the honey oil. well for starters....the most THC of any concentrate. our test showed the highest sample which was allowed to "cure" for over 4 weeks, went from a honey oil to offwhite crystals through this "curing". THC at 96% 3%plant waxes <1% CBN and CBD. average samples were between 75%-85%. With propanol and isobutane showing up <3% in 1 sample out of 6 made with the lowest grade butane. i compiled an average of these results, 80% thc 17% waxes, plant matter, and some trapped O2. <3%cbn,cbd. so this is what people wanted. here it is. BHO! THE WAY TO GO!

Xtbudda · Oct 11, 2006

INteresting info.
what is isobuthane?
I find it odd, the cbn and cbd is lower than the lower grade.

Misturemike · Oct 11, 2006

xtbudda, out of the six tested none were of the same herb, thus the different cbn, cbd, due to the fact some herbs produce zero cbn and cbd, and some more than others. cbn and cbd are rumored to be more helpful in relieving pain. and isobutane is basically very poorly refined butane. n-butane is what you want, and no traces were detected, thus i can only assume through proper purging all butane is removed.

Hashmasta-Kut · Oct 11, 2006

wow farout mike. you mean there was 0 butane or isobutane or propanol in 5 out of the 6 samples?

Misturemike · Oct 11, 2006

Hash, Indeed this was the case....and this is why using good butane is always a good idea, and the key is proper purging.

jimbob420 · Oct 11, 2006

hashtastic!!!

ps: were the dried "crystals" crispy or soft and gooey? and did they look anything like this....

Misturemike · Oct 11, 2006

its slightly resembles the bottom picture....but lighter in color. i assume that the top and bottom picture is the product removed from the second picture? i would want to see how that stuff melts. but to me that looks still unrefined, what is sometimes refered to as melt in cannabis clubs out here in cali. usually if you cooked it down at low temps for a few hours it would turn to an amber colored and more oily in consistancy....but if when melted it goes clear and INSTANTLY soaks into the bud (if herb is your smoking medium) then you may have "crystals". let me know i'm interested, cause you "whip" your product correct?

Hashmasta-Kut · Oct 11, 2006

naw hes got "the pure".

thanks fer da info mike. where did you happen to gain access to a lab for tests? didja have to pay and was it a lot?

Hashmasta-Kut · Oct 11, 2006

Misturemike said:
Hash, Indeed this was the case....and this is why using good butane is always a good idea, and the key is proper purging.

i am a bit of a purge-aholic myself.

Cosmic Toker · Oct 11, 2006

3%plant waxes

I have a very hard time believing that, I've looked at used plant matter under a microscope and it was striped pretty damn clean, where does the wax go?

jimbob420 · Oct 11, 2006

misturemike: that is full-melt bho dankness...I just use a method i got from TUG that calls for you to heat and whip the translucent amber rock untill it drys completly up. The top and bottom pics are just the middle pic chopped up fine(but from a different purge).

Thanks HMK means alot coming from the hashMASTA!!

GrassMan · Oct 11, 2006

Misturemike said:
hello everyone...i joined this forum based on the BHO section alone here. and everyone asks whats in the honey oil. well for starters....the most THC of any concentrate. our test showed the highest sample which was allowed to "cure" for over 4 weeks, went from a honey oil to offwhite crystals through this "curing". THC at 96% 3%plant waxes <1% CBN and CBD. average samples were between 75%-85%. With propanol and isobutane showing up <3% in 1 sample out of 6 made with the lowest grade butane. i compiled an average of these results, 80% thc 17% waxes, plant matter, and some trapped O2. <3%cbn,cbd. so this is what people wanted. here it is. BHO! THE WAY TO GO!

Hi,
I believe that this samples were more like budder than bho. I mean, they weren't purged, they were cooked. If they were just purged, part of it supose to be terpens.
Peace.

Misturemike · Oct 11, 2006

terpenes can be put under that "plant matter" catagory. purging, cooking, evaporation....all one in the same, its a matter of bleeding off impurities. this is why heating you product alows for a less viscous material for trapped air, butane, and for that matter any medium which can be evaporated out of the product. since butane evaporates completely in air, you can only assume through heating you allow all the gas to leave the product. definition of purging...

Purging
2 a : to cause evacuation from (as the bowels) b (1) : to make free of something unwanted <purge a manhole of gas> <purge yourself of fear> (2) : to free (as a boiler) of sediment or relieve (as a steam pipe) of trapped air by bleeding c (1) : to rid (as a nation or party) by a purge (2) : to get rid of <the leaders had been purged>

and cosmic, i'm not sure what you mean... if you looked at the plant matter you shouldn't see the waxes, its in the oil, think of the plant waxes as resins which get dissolved with everything , maybe that will help.

Cosmic Toker · Oct 12, 2006

and cosmic, i'm not sure what you mean... if you looked at the plant matter you shouldn't see the waxes, its in the oil, think of the plant waxes as resins which get dissolved with everything , maybe that will help.

The waxes are what holds the oil inside of the trichome....if you look at some of HMK great macros you can see that trichomes are made up of way more then 3% wax

Also bulbous trichomes get extracted into BHO but have little to no THC inside, were does the bulbous trichome matter go..?...or even the capitate-sessile trichomes

The only way you could ever come close to getting 97% thc is if you started with only the heads minus the stalk from the capitate-stalked trichomes...sorry but that will never happen

Hashmasta-Kut · Oct 12, 2006

you could start with that.. but its hard to collect any large amount, unless you are skunkman sam.

Misturemike · Oct 12, 2006

you can argue the make up of the oil....i know what was tested...to answer the question of where and for how much, my friend who now is at genentech, tested them his sr. year at berkeley...no charge, just a risk of him getting in trouble. and cosmic if you notice the sample that tested so high i refered to it as "cured"....that ultimate form...which jimbobs product resembles but still too dark, i would like to tell all how to purify to the "crystals" final form but that remains with me. jimbob, using TUGS method resembles and has backing of top quality...i would love ot sample to give you a verdict. because if that works, it way easier to achieve that fine "crystal" with that method. one other thing for cosmic ....through macro images your telling me you can determine the chemical make up of the plant and then what is removed? i believe the test, not just a guess.

Cosmic Toker · Oct 12, 2006

I really need to get a nice USB microscope so I can show you guys how much butane stripes from the plant matter.

And you didn't answer my question about the bulbous trichomes & the capitate-sessile trichomes....where do they go...?....they get striped I know that for sure.

you could start with that.. but its hard to collect any large amount, unless you are skunkman sam.

No matter how many screens you use to refine it, it will still have a few stalks in it and a few bulbous & capitate-sessile trichomes in it too

Cosmic Toker · Oct 12, 2006

i would like to tell all how to purify to the "crystals" final form but that remains with me.

You sound like a guy who's here to help... :no:

Misturemike · Oct 12, 2006

something to make my hash unique...yes...i do keep that locked down, would mrs. fields hand out here cookie recipie? thats besides the point. and to answer your question about the trichome heads and stalks...yes they get dissolved into the butane, so they will no longer appear to have the standard trichome shape that they once did on the plant. the principal of extraction is completely different from say bubble hash where you filter trichome heads out away from the plant matter. they don't dissolve like butane does. i don't know where the problem of having the trichomes disappearing from the plant arrises? is that not what we want...to extract the THC rich trichs and other cannaboids. and about using images to determine chemical make up is ludacris...explain to me with merrit how seeing the discolored stripping in BHO means it is butane? and all BHO does not have the discolored areas.

jimbob420 · Oct 12, 2006

I have to say that the pics show much different color than what this looks like in person(more WHITE, did I say WHITE cause it is almost vibrant white) but sometimes it comes out orange, or bright yellow. I would like to say that I believe and always have that there is some other gas in there that is still escaping until the point of dryness. you can see the bubbles that keep on coming out and when it is finallly dry it is full of potmarks from the bubbles literally purging untill the very end when it changes color drastically(lightens up a lot). you can see the darker areas during the purge that still have tane or whatever in them. I have to that I can see the waxes being more than 3% but not much...this shit is pretty pure but it does have a super waxy feel. Bottom line is anyway you cut it, it still gets you high!

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