Diesel/sourdeez lineage.........OGkush suprise!!!!!

came across a thread with some peeps that claim they were there from the get go. its a great read, and very interestin as the peices of the puzzle come together.

the real suprise for me was that the OGkush came from the chemdawg, was a hermie seed off the CD. anyway heres the jist of the thread and a link......

Chemdog

This is for rezdog the sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. wmposse if any of you have questions let me
know also i wanna talk to this rez dog guy because he claims no one
has seeds of these strains well iam the only one with true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow. Thats fact.

http://overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=698806&onlyuser=&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

CBF

yeah, i read that. super good info, but he's like the millionth person this year who wants a piece of the Diesel lineage folklore amongst the forums. This story, along with many others, seem to be corresponding though!!! great news. goes to show how tight-knit some of us are... these clone-onlys need to be shared more, though. especially OGK.

Fernandro said:

yeah, i read that. super good info, but he's like the millionth person this year who wants a piece of the Diesel lineage folklore amongst the forums. This story, along with many others, seem to be corresponding though!!! great news. goes to show how tight-knit some of us are... these clone-onlys need to be shared more, though. especially OGK.

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fernando, ya short on mommas bro:wink:

CBF

Hey CBF , Ive run into the same phish kids over the last decade, Ive had the Diesel, the sour D and the super skunk. Just buds though no clones. Last time I ran into them was in jersey at the continental arena the night BB.King came out and played the first set with Phish. I was wondering if these ma kids were responsible for the Elvis Diesel I had about 4 years ago? peace. D.L.

Very interesting bro, thanks for the info...

I'm confused about one part, if anyone could reiterate it for me: Is the Underdog/daywrecker Chemdawg x Superskunk/NL? And the sour d is the underdog x DNL (which is a skunk)?

If anyone know the underground rap group Necro they had a poll on their site that lists elvis, underdog, and sour diesel i think as their top 3 weed.

The ECSD lineage story is very interesting So og kush is actually seeds started from one of sour d's parents... hmm. Thanks CBF for reposting that.

Now is the Bubba related to any of this...?

necro is one sick individual

Gotta go to the thread now, coz I aint seen a good fight in a while, lol

EDIT....Well, I just returned, very disappointed....every1's being so nice??? WTF's up with that, are all the children in bed??? lol, even the naysayers are being polite about it.....I want my money back hehehe

chimera's CENSORING the piss out of that chemdog thread,as he CENSORS ANYTHING that I post on at overslow,(or ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH HIM (he thinks S&H is his own personal forum!)
So....FUCK HIM,he's a sad, jealous asshole that hasn't made anything vaguely resembling an above-average seedline,ever.
(The closest he ever came was when he shared space with DJ Short-but that's not his work,it's primarilly DJs.)

He can censor all he likes at overgrow,I already HAVE Dawg and Sour Diesel,and I'll likely be getting together with JJ and Chemdog over the holidaze to sort out a Joint Project....online or off,for fun.
A friend of mine knows JJ,personally,and he backs what they're saying,and he has no reason to lie.

See chimmy's forum....there's no wonder that there's little>no interest in chimera's typical indica Van Island strains,they're average to below,to a fault.

As to Dawg/Chemdog/Diesel,well....I've got that all taken care of,rest assured the genetics WILL get out there,most likely in 2006.

Ciao!

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Chasing down exacting lineage is FUN for me,wether chim-stain likes it or not.
Apparantly we can't really discuss anything in overslow's S&H forum related to anything I'm doing,but it's fine to pump any of chim's or his pal's releases.
So be it,we'll disseminate accurate,reliable,information over here,and let the children at overslow sort out their own issues.
I have no time for That Crap.

"Rez has never said HE discovered /invented SourDeisel,just that he has worked with it for years and tryed to get it in seed form as close to the Clone as possible..."

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EXACTLY.
And that's what I've done,as irritated as it might make washed-up ol' chimmy.

Hey rez do you remember that time chimera jumped on that thread and said he didnt believe anything jj and chemdog said. then they told him to shut the fuck up and sit down? That was cool. Hey rez if you hit the east coast at the right time you could hit some phil lesh shows!! peace. D.L.

Who the hell cares where they came from, just share the shit. I mean does it really fucking matter. You guys aren't gonna give it away anyway.

Mo,

Hi Bigmo , it sounds as if there may be a chance for us all to see a solid sour diesel genetic available in seeds.

its very clear chimera has a chip on his shoulder and totally came off like a total asshole. but had he been polite about it (and it is in fact scientifically sound, i dont know anything about it) the idea of genetic testing should have been jumped on and should have ended the thread. if there is a way of PROOVING the relationships these strains have to eachother, to shy away from that is not cool in my book, especially if people are putting out a story. If it could be proven, then it should, not sure chimmy is the best person for it, but whoever has the resources. On another note, Ive got a question for rez. I'm not sure which of the "deisel" (im lumping all of its ancestors, and off shoots together, dawg, og kush, daywrecker, etc...) strains you've tried, but are any of them OVERALL better then the ECSD?

If you are talking about REZ's IBL. I do agree and respect his hard work on this strain. I am just a little bitter these daze. Mo has no money anymore thanks to the state of the world these daze. You guys can just ignore my rant, it's like showing a kid the Christmas catalog and then telling him he can't have anything in it.

Sorry for the negativity

Mo,

Wellll....
How's about some free Sour Diesel IBL beans from Rez to Mo,when they're done.
Does that make it a TINY bit better?
The world's not SUCH a shitty place,man,it's just a few too many douchebags that seem to make it feel that way,some days.

Cheers!

:smile:

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Well just when I thought people didn't care anymore. It surely does, Thanx much Rez.

Mo,

rez you rock buddy.

if free SourD beans don't put a shine on your day, i dunno what can!

it's definitely cool to see more elaboration on the strain's lineage, whether it's fully genuine or not we can't really know until it all forms into proof, but we have no place demanding proof of people, just take things with a grain of salt if you're a doubter.

if chemdog and JJ are genuine, the bit where chimera whines bullshit and chemdog says "Hey Chimera if you dont believe us thats your problem... ...By the way chimera whats your story on this?" that cracked me up. it definitely will be interesting to see where this all leads. also cool to see something come outta mass other than snobbish prickery 3 years ago every county in the state voted in favor of medical marijuana, today, people still go to jail for it.