BruceLeeroy
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Why does starting this thread fill me with a sense of foreboding? With a bit of luck, this can stay clear of trolling and hard feelings and provide the answers to some questions.
I was a member of overgrow before it's death (awaiting ressurection?) and have been lurking about here for a few months now. During that time, i've read MANY threads on the style Krusty taught, as well as watched with much interest as many different growers repeated his efforts and some toyed with different aspects of it, some to much success, others to less. It certainly seems fascinating to me.
The problem is that so many K threads, Freedom threads and whateveryouwannacallembucket threads have ended up so offensive and pointless that the mods on whatever site, for whatever reason, have had to remove them, along with precious information. So i was hoping some of you old hands at the buckets would answer some questions. some of these, i know and are asked hopefully for the benefit of others who don't, some are questions i'm asking for my own info.
Please, i do not want this thread to turn into a pro-con look at the system. This all too easily ends up with arguments, name calling and eventual death of the thread. please stick to the K style, and identify any personal tweaks as such and where they differ from what Krusty recommended. some are general questions that any grower with experience can answer, and i'll identify them as such, but again, i hope that Krusty/Freedom/KFB growers will have some good answers
1. let's say a person had a 11x11 room, and 1 1000 MH and 4 600 HPS at their disposal, the MH would hang in the center, would it be better to orient the 4 HPS so each hung in the middle of a wall, or in a corner? as the plants get big, which will allow the best light angle and the most space?
2. is a 12000 BTU a/c enough to cool 3400 watts in an 11x11 room? how much will the combo of lights and a/c dry the air? will a typical house humidifier help or is a fogger a must?
3. which of the following three strains (cloned) would provide the best results in this system, Ice, Northern Lights x BigBud, or Pure Power Plant (all Nirvana genetics) should the grower be seeking more sativa dominant strains? obviously Krusty's BB and Hash plant aren't available
4. General indoor question.... Ozone or Carbon Filter? a. don't vent, no need with a/c and CO2, just tolerate the wondrous reek. b. vent using a carbon filter. c. vent using ozone
5. Air pump. the froth desired, what psi and cfm are recquired to get the soaker hose to put out the proper bubbles when split between 4 buckets, and would model # 669CE44(see catalog below) work, be underkill or overkill? does anyone remember what pump Krusty recommended for a 4 bucket system? for some reason the number 917 sticks in my head. i remember once upon a time krusty came out and said how much psi/cfm per bucket but damned if i can find it or remember it. all i know is anyone who's seen that soaker hose knows it'll take a shitbunch of pressure to push out the air!
http://www.wfdonline.com/Catalogs/Thomas/Standard%20Product.pdf
6. Nutrients should be full strength GH Flora series, 68-72 F temperature and PH of 5.5-6.0? Krusty once mentioned warming the res up a bit at night to 72-75 and likened it to keeping the feet warm while sleeping, has anyone experiemented with that.
7. air temps with co2 should be 85ish and nighttime temps no more than 15-20 degrees cooler?
8. Nutrient feeding to the roots should start at the top of the bucket until the clones are established, then should be moved significantly lower in the bucket? what is a good GPH # to shoot for with 4 buckets, as too low runs the risk of the 1.5 inches of water warming up past healthy temps and too high runs the risk of overwhelming 1 3/4" drains.
9. air circulation. the a/c will have a certain amount of circulating power of its own, and no additional fans should be added? is co2 truly heavier than air, and if so will it pool on the floor if not continously mixed into the room, or does it stay where it's put.
10. 1000 ppm is sufficient CO2 enrichment? assuming timer and 5 minutes to get the 11x11 room up to desired levels, and no venting taking place to speak of (just a few times per day for smell) how often should CO2 be released? in other words, just how fast will these babies use 1000ppm's of co2? would it be desirable or even safe to have a very slow (1 cf/m) constant drip of CO2 if no venting is happening? will the CO2 in that case reach toxic levels?
11. res flushes should be every 5 days, and should consist of draining the res of water, filling with just ph proper temp water, running for 24 hours, draining, filling again with just ph proper temp water, running for another 24, drain and fill with normal nutrient water? can you just add nutes to the second clean water refill after the second 24 hour period, or is it best to not be lazy and just drain/fill it again?
12. drain lines from buckets should be 1 3/4"? would running two drain lines decrease the likelihood of root clogs? should an emergency drain be added high up on bottom bucket to prevent back ups from flooding?
13. is PVC safe to use as drain line?
sorry, i guess after typing this i realize many of these are not BUCKET questions, but environment questions, but it all plays into providing the plants with the most stress free environment possible. it's also late so cut me some slack!
With luck, we can get some answers to these questions. please if anyone else has any questions about the method they'd like to throw in so we can make it more comprehensive, please do so. i will add more when i can think more coherently.
Peace
I was a member of overgrow before it's death (awaiting ressurection?) and have been lurking about here for a few months now. During that time, i've read MANY threads on the style Krusty taught, as well as watched with much interest as many different growers repeated his efforts and some toyed with different aspects of it, some to much success, others to less. It certainly seems fascinating to me.
The problem is that so many K threads, Freedom threads and whateveryouwannacallembucket threads have ended up so offensive and pointless that the mods on whatever site, for whatever reason, have had to remove them, along with precious information. So i was hoping some of you old hands at the buckets would answer some questions. some of these, i know and are asked hopefully for the benefit of others who don't, some are questions i'm asking for my own info.
Please, i do not want this thread to turn into a pro-con look at the system. This all too easily ends up with arguments, name calling and eventual death of the thread. please stick to the K style, and identify any personal tweaks as such and where they differ from what Krusty recommended. some are general questions that any grower with experience can answer, and i'll identify them as such, but again, i hope that Krusty/Freedom/KFB growers will have some good answers
1. let's say a person had a 11x11 room, and 1 1000 MH and 4 600 HPS at their disposal, the MH would hang in the center, would it be better to orient the 4 HPS so each hung in the middle of a wall, or in a corner? as the plants get big, which will allow the best light angle and the most space?
2. is a 12000 BTU a/c enough to cool 3400 watts in an 11x11 room? how much will the combo of lights and a/c dry the air? will a typical house humidifier help or is a fogger a must?
3. which of the following three strains (cloned) would provide the best results in this system, Ice, Northern Lights x BigBud, or Pure Power Plant (all Nirvana genetics) should the grower be seeking more sativa dominant strains? obviously Krusty's BB and Hash plant aren't available
4. General indoor question.... Ozone or Carbon Filter? a. don't vent, no need with a/c and CO2, just tolerate the wondrous reek. b. vent using a carbon filter. c. vent using ozone
5. Air pump. the froth desired, what psi and cfm are recquired to get the soaker hose to put out the proper bubbles when split between 4 buckets, and would model # 669CE44(see catalog below) work, be underkill or overkill? does anyone remember what pump Krusty recommended for a 4 bucket system? for some reason the number 917 sticks in my head. i remember once upon a time krusty came out and said how much psi/cfm per bucket but damned if i can find it or remember it. all i know is anyone who's seen that soaker hose knows it'll take a shitbunch of pressure to push out the air!
http://www.wfdonline.com/Catalogs/Thomas/Standard%20Product.pdf
6. Nutrients should be full strength GH Flora series, 68-72 F temperature and PH of 5.5-6.0? Krusty once mentioned warming the res up a bit at night to 72-75 and likened it to keeping the feet warm while sleeping, has anyone experiemented with that.
7. air temps with co2 should be 85ish and nighttime temps no more than 15-20 degrees cooler?
8. Nutrient feeding to the roots should start at the top of the bucket until the clones are established, then should be moved significantly lower in the bucket? what is a good GPH # to shoot for with 4 buckets, as too low runs the risk of the 1.5 inches of water warming up past healthy temps and too high runs the risk of overwhelming 1 3/4" drains.
9. air circulation. the a/c will have a certain amount of circulating power of its own, and no additional fans should be added? is co2 truly heavier than air, and if so will it pool on the floor if not continously mixed into the room, or does it stay where it's put.
10. 1000 ppm is sufficient CO2 enrichment? assuming timer and 5 minutes to get the 11x11 room up to desired levels, and no venting taking place to speak of (just a few times per day for smell) how often should CO2 be released? in other words, just how fast will these babies use 1000ppm's of co2? would it be desirable or even safe to have a very slow (1 cf/m) constant drip of CO2 if no venting is happening? will the CO2 in that case reach toxic levels?
11. res flushes should be every 5 days, and should consist of draining the res of water, filling with just ph proper temp water, running for 24 hours, draining, filling again with just ph proper temp water, running for another 24, drain and fill with normal nutrient water? can you just add nutes to the second clean water refill after the second 24 hour period, or is it best to not be lazy and just drain/fill it again?
12. drain lines from buckets should be 1 3/4"? would running two drain lines decrease the likelihood of root clogs? should an emergency drain be added high up on bottom bucket to prevent back ups from flooding?
13. is PVC safe to use as drain line?
sorry, i guess after typing this i realize many of these are not BUCKET questions, but environment questions, but it all plays into providing the plants with the most stress free environment possible. it's also late so cut me some slack!
With luck, we can get some answers to these questions. please if anyone else has any questions about the method they'd like to throw in so we can make it more comprehensive, please do so. i will add more when i can think more coherently.
Peace
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