Looking for a more stable and cost efficient recipe

[WolfmansBro]

I am new to IC Mag and looking for a bit of help i'm running 3000 watts with coco drain to waste with drippers. I have done this method for a while with a lot of success, consistently getting around a gram per watt using doing scrog. I am looking for some advice on my recipie because now I mix my res daily otherwise It gets very gunked up my current mix is

veg

house and garden A + B
Epsom Salts
Roots Excel
Silica Blast
Sea Green
Drip Clean
Full Power Humic
Humboldt Honey


Flower

House and garden A + B
Epsom Salts
Silica
Sean Green
Drip Clean
Full Power Humic
Humboldt Honey
Bloombastic

I have had great success with yeild using these products although I think my success has more to do with my dialed environment and method and I feel like the flavor of my medicine is a bit generic. I want a mix that can be stable so I can mix my res for a few days at a time and I would like a mix that is more cost effective. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks.

 

[ELBURRO]

Veg
5-12-26 jacks
Cal nitrate
Epsom salt

Bloom
5-12-26 jacks
Cal nitrate
Epsom salt
10-30-20

 

[sanjuan]

I'm a Jack's fan also. I have no opinion about flavor but definitely cheap and stable. I'm using Blumats in coco so I include Drip Clean @ 1ml/gal. Add the MgSO4 (epsom) after the N-P-K but before the CaNO3.

I don't intend to use bloom boosters but I might adjust the nitrogen ratios in the future. I just started adding Pro-Tekt (for silica) @ 1ml per gallon after everything else is mixed in except for some pH Down which comes last (my tap is pH 7.4 and moderately soft). Well, actually I throw in some Clorox @ 0.3ml per gallon last.

 

[Coconutz]

Ive seen killer results with A/B & drip clean!

 

[sanjuan]

As does MaxiBloom, if you want KISS (big thread).
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6454854#post6454854

 

[WolfieCat]

Many growers have found a cheap, effective, and stable solution with the Lucas Formula or some variation.
It uses the General Hydroponics 3-Part Flora series, but omits the Grow bottle since the nutrient profiles of Micro and Bloom form a complete base nutrient profile.

 

[stoned40yrs]

I'm a Jack's fan also. I have no opinion about flavor but definitely cheap and stable. I'm using Blumats in coco so I include Drip Clean @ 1ml/gal. Add the MgSO4 (epsom) after the N-P-K but before the CaNO3.

I don't intend to use bloom boosters but I might adjust the nitrogen ratios in the future. I just started adding Pro-Tekt (for silica) @ 1ml per gallon after everything else is mixed in except for some pH Down which comes last (my tap is pH 7.4 and moderately soft). Well, actually I throw in some Clorox @ 0.3ml per gallon last.

Protekt or any silica is supposed to be added first.

 

[Snow Crash]

If you want something stable you need to drop the organics. The Sea Green, Full Power, and Humboldt Honey, will facilitate bacterial blooms which are 360 degrees of bad. The Sea Green and Full Power less so than the Honey.

I know some people who use the SuperNatural line for this reason. Not the cheapest, or most effective, but I'll be damned if it isn't clean running and super stable. As a dry salt the water solubility is second to none.

Advanced Nutrients has the most concentrated and longest lasting pH down product of anything on the market that I have tried. Difficult to use in smaller situations (5 gallon bucket) but ideal for 20+gallons. This will help maintain a healthy level over time.

Flavor and smell are more about genetic potential and reaching that potential than anything. Sugar/Starch production and breakdown after harvest are HUGE factors to the final product. If you're looking to improve in the "bag appeal" area you should look more towards new genetics as well as harvesting, drying, and curing techniques. Cutting your plants down 6 hours after lights off instead of 6 hours after lights on can make all the difference in the world! You won't find a solution in a bottle to this problem, but products that contain Harpin Proteins and Triacontanol can help a plant reach its potential. You do have the Bloombastic in there, so I don't think you need to add more to that category anyway.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Advanced Nutrients has the most concentrated and longest lasting pH down product of anything on the market that I have tried. Difficult to use in smaller situations (5 gallon bucket) but ideal for 20+gallons. This will help maintain a healthy level over time.

I started using their ph down a month ago, great potent stuff. I mix everything in 5 gal buckets and don't find it hard to use. I find 1 ml brings down the ph 3 or 4 tenths. You also need a eye dropper as sometimes it takes only drops to get it perfect. My rez doesn't drift up as much as with other ph downs but occasionally it will go up a little-no biggie. Good stuff compared to the rest.

 

[Snow Crash]

I started using their ph down a month ago, great potent stuff. I mix everything in 5 gal buckets and don't find it hard to use. I find 1 ml brings down the ph 3 or 4 tenths. You also need a eye dropper as sometimes it takes only drops to get it perfect. My rez doesn't drift up as much as with other ph downs but occasionally it will go up a little-no biggie. Good stuff compared to the rest.

Exactly! That's what I meant, you just said it better.

That's great you're having the same experience too, not enough people using that product. Funny too, considering how much guff AN takes for being "watered down" its actually the people on GH pH down who are wasting their money.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Yup screw that orange crap, I hated having to add 7ml in one bucket of nutes.

 

[Snauseberry]

^^ recently switching to tap water has made me use 10-12ml for 15 gallons. With RO i was only using 2-3ml of the orange stuff.

I really need to buckle down and make a trip to home depot for some plumbing lol

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

drip clean

drip clean

xxx

[size=+1]Additives[/size]

Always

Drip Clean - Use at 0.4ml/g from beginning to end to prevent salt build up in drip lines. Use at 1ml/g to prevent build up in your lines, as well as the medium.

• Guaranteed Analysis: Phosphate: 24%, Soluble Potash: 8%
• Alternative: PeKacid at 400g to 1 liter is an exact equivalent to Drip Clean and only costs $10. Thanks, Avenger! Or feed your plants less over all.
• Notes: Use from beginning to end of the grow, DO NOT add this in part way through, any salt build up in your medium or lines will be broken down rapidly and will cause issues.
• krunchbubble's thread on drip clean

Kit Kat's OG Kush Donuts (1200w vert)

in case you skimmed that.
*]Alternative: PeKacid at 400g to 1 liter is an exact equivalent to Drip Clean and only costs $10.

 

[stoned40yrs]

xxx in case you skimmed that.
*]Alternative: PeKacid at 400g to 1 liter is an exact equivalent to Drip Clean and only costs $10.

$10 sounds good but they whack you $7.95 shipping. Then you have to buy some distilled water to mix it with. So you only end up saving a few bucks over buying it premixed Next time I'll probably just pay for the HG dripclean.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

$10 sounds good but they whack you $7.95 shipping. Then you have to buy some distilled water to mix it with. So you only end up saving a few bucks over buying it premixed Next time I'll probably just pay for the HG dripclean.

check the 4 pound rate though.
4 pounds of pek acid makes 4.5 liters of dripclean at $19.00 for 4 lbs shipped 14.00 bucks
$4.50 pek acid
3.00 shipping
.50 distilled water

home drip clean $8.00 per liter vs
drip clean $40. per liter
seems like one of those big savings hacks to me. 4.5 gallons for less than 1 liter. wow

 

[stoned40yrs]

check the 4 pound rate though.
4 pounds of pek acid makes 4.5 liters of dripclean at $19.00 for 4 lbs shipped 14.00 bucks
$4.50 pek acid
3.00 shipping
.50 distilled water

home drip clean $8.00 per liter vs
drip clean $40. per liter
seems like one of those big savings hacks to me. 4.5 gallons for less than 1 liter. wow

Yes that's cheap if I want to buy a 100 year supply of DC

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

It's cheaper dumping out 17 liters and keeping 1 you'll save 4 bucks. I suppose I use a little more than you. I could see using up a bucket between me and a few other homies around these parts.

 

[stoned40yrs]

It's cheaper dumping out 17 liters and keeping 1 you'll save 4 bucks. I suppose I use a little more than you. I could see using up a bucket between me and a few other homies around these parts.

All I was saying is that ONLY $10 cost isn't hardly worth it It was $17.95 plus $3 for distilled water here,+ my time. With my discount at the hydro store it's $33 a liter. If you buy the 4lb pekacid it makes a lot of sense and saving $$$. Buying a $10 lb isn't worth the effort IMO

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Ironically, I was reading your comment while I was waiting to speak with the agronomist to order 50# sacks if monopotasium phosphate,ammonium phosphate, mag nitrate, and I went ahead and asked about PeK acid while I was there. But I know what you're saying and I felt the same way when it was 3k per unit and I had 6x600k lights. That was a while ago.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

Ironically, I was reading your comment while I was waiting to speak with the agronomist to order 50# sacks if monopotasium phosphate,ammonium phosphate, mag nitrate, and I went ahead and asked about PeK acid while I was there. But I know what you're saying and I felt the same way when it was 3k per unit and I had 6x600k lights. That was a while ago.

Excellent info bro.. Gunna chek out that Pekacid..

Mixing your own nutes is by far the best way to go..

If your stuck on store bought nutes Ive ran GH compared to Advanced and had same results....its all about knowing your NPK numbers....