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Sativa Dragon

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The device above is to remove calcium and magnesium from tap water, why you would want to do that, other than to start with clean water in the first place which is being done anyways. PetFlora already is using RO water which shouldn't have very little if anything left other than fluorine or chloramine from the treatment it came from.

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PetFlora

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It's for the nutes in the RO water.

The magnets keep the elements from clumping, therefore more bioavailable to the plants

Sativa Dragon said:
Hello Pet Flora,

What are you hoping to accomplish by Magnetically treating RO water?

Respectfully

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My apologies, I did not read all of the 27 pages.

My apologies, I did not read all of the 27 pages.

The thread title caught my eye. The arguing was mostly pointless. I thought I'd check some science out and see what it said instead. The thread seems a bit calmed down now, hopefully.

In 1972 an interesting experiment shows yield increase in potatoes via magnetic treatment.

Here's the abstract:

"Plants grown in the greenhouse from excised magnetically treated eyes of the Netted Gem potato, Solanum tuberosum L., yielded a greater weight and a greater number of tubers than those grown from untreated eyes. Pregermination magnetic treatment of the eyes sometimes produced an increase in top growth of plants. Plants grown in the field from excised magnetically treated eyes yielded 14% more marketable tubers that weighed 38.5% more than those grown from untreated eyes. Pregermination magnetic treatment of the eye may have effected a change in the metabolic process in the bud that eventually promoted earlier and greater tuber initiation."

In 1992 strain specific responses to magnetic treatment were seen in tomatoes. Six replicates of 10 plants for each strain, not a bad experiment. The important thing to note here - strain specific. You probably won't know till you try your strain.

Here's that abstract:

"Seeds of two tomatoes (Lycopersicon esculentum. Mill.) varieties (cv. Rocco and Monza) were treated by passing them through an artificial magnetic field (MF) with a constant defined velocity before seeding. The seedlings obtained from MF treated and non MF-treated seeds were planted into the MF treated and non MF-treated plots. They were irrigated by MF-treated and non MF treated water.
Observations were made on early-yield, total-yield, begining of blooming, and quality of fruit. While significant differences were not observed in Rocco, important MF effects were clearly seen on Monza. Yield increases on Monza in magnet treated plots were around 28–51 percent, especially in early yields, and Monza bloomed three-four days earlier."

What can we learn from this. Magnetic treatment of seeds and cuttings, or water... might increase your yields.

I admire those people here with enquiring minds. Curiosity is awesome because you uncover awesome things. Being wrong doesn't matter one jot, but it is nicer when you guess it right. I thought this wouldn't work, took me only minutes to find evidence proving I was wrong. Thank you for turning me onto the question of magnetism. The amount we don't know far outweighs what we do. Keep learning, always.
 
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I just cought a peek at this thread and want to say thank you to everybody who's taking part in this.

This is setting us one step closer to planetary enlightenment.

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MrFista said:
I admire those people here with enquiring minds. Curiosity is awesome because you uncover awesome things. Being wrong doesn't matter one jot, but it is nicer when you guess it right. I thought this wouldn't work, took me only minutes to find evidence proving I was wrong. Thank you for turning me onto the question of magnetism. The amount we don't know far outweighs what we do. Keep learning, always.
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"We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us." Albert Einstein
 
trichrider

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MrFista said:
I admire those people here with enquiring minds. Curiosity is awesome because you uncover awesome things. Being wrong doesn't matter one jot, but it is nicer when you guess it right. I thought this wouldn't work, took me only minutes to find evidence proving I was wrong. Thank you for turning me onto the question of magnetism. The amount we don't know far outweighs what we do. Keep learning, always.
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Magnetic Susceptibility and Soil Fertility

Soil fertility is generally thought of in terms of cation exchange capacity and macronutrient content. Research is revealing that electromagnetic properties may be of greater significance to soil fertility.

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Highly fertile soils have positive magnetic susceptibility values and are called paramagnetic. Sterile soils have a negative value and are called diamagnetic. The fact that a soil is highly paramagnetic does not guarantee high fertility, but it does indicate high potential fertility. The key to translating high potential fertility into actual productivity is the development of a fully functional and balanced soil biology.

There are two factors that affect soil magnetic susceptibility: the presence of certain minerals (such as the rare earths, some limestones, iron, and copper) and the shape of the soil particles and nutrient complexes. This latter factor is clearly demonstrated in the case of nitrogen sources.

Urea, for example, has a flat triangular shape with a "handle" on it, nitrite nitrogen has a simple plane triangular shape, and ammonia has a tetrahedral shape (see illustration). Although the different compounds may supply the soil with the same or similar chemical species, apparently the shape of the compound itself as an antenna makes a significant difference in the nitrogen's availability to the plant.

The structuring of soil is largely done by microorganisms. Once proper structure is achieved, the soil is made more fertile and less susceptible to erosion because the magnetic forces holding the soil particles together are stronger.



Energetic Analysis

There are currently two methods to evaluate the energetics of soil. First, there is the magnetic susceptibility meter. This instrument is traditionally used by paleontologists and archaeologists in the study of ancient remains and artifacts as well as fossils. For agriculture, the instrument has provided some interesting data. Magnetic susceptibility is the ability of something - in this case soil - to function as an antenna for magnetic energy or fields. It is measured as the ratio of the magnetic field strength induced in a substance to the strength of the inducing field.

Callahan was the first to show that soil magnetic susceptibility was related to soil fertility. Fertile soils are paramagnetic - they have positive magnetic susceptibility values. Infertile soils are not necessarily diamagnetic - having negative magnetic susceptibility values - but diamagnetic soils are always infertile. The soil's ability to receive magnetic energy is very mportant to microbial and plant growth; in fact, it is essential. It is however only half of the system. The ability to receive magnetic energy is only valuable when there is something to translate this energy into useful form. It is like having a radio antenna without the radio.

That something is the biological system of the soil - the humus and microorganisms. This system is analogous to the radio, and the antenna is analogous to the mineral system. Without both the system as a whole is mute. Continuous 24-hour runs on three different soils using a model MS2 Bartington magnetic susceptibility meter are shown on page 42. The bottom soil is an Indiana soil of low fertility. The middle is an Indiana soil of good fertility and the top is a California soil of good fertility. Both the poor Indiana and the good California soils showed marked magnetic susceptibility decline during the hottest part of the day while the good Indiana soil remained fairly stable. The decline in magnetic susceptibility correlates with a reduced ability to deal with solar energy necessary for plant growth.

The poor Indiana soil actually exemplified a total inability to deal with solar energy. The factor common to these latter two soils is very low humus levels, while the good Indiana soil was relatively high in humus. Further study has shown that both the Magnetic susceptibility and the humus level vary directly with the fertilization practices employed. As both decline, the susceptibility of the soil to erosion increases. Additionally, it has been observed that anhydrous ammonia and potassium chloride (the two most widely used fertilizer in the United States, and both widely imported) decrease the magnetic susceptibility of the soil.

Energetic analysis, which includes measurements of magnetic susceptibility, has led to the discovery of the value and importance of many nontraditional fertilizer materials, including vitamins like B-12 and C; sugars like molasses, sucrose, and dextrose; trace elements like silicon and iodine; and ever color dyes.

Since magnetic susceptibility, like plant growth, is an electromagnetic phenomenon, chemical soil analysis falls short in evaluating potential fertilizer programs that raise or regenerate the electromagnetic and, consequently, the productive properties of the soil. This obstacle appears to be overcome by an electronic scanner (a highly sensitive light meter) patented as a mineral assay instrument by T. Galen Hieronymus in 1949. Although the meaning of its readings for nonliving materials is not actually understood, some modifications have made it very useful for evaluation and prescription of bioregenerative fertilizer programs. The instrument evaluates mitogenic radiation in the 200-1,000 nanometer range (the range from near-ultraviolet to and including infrared). Its uniqueness lies in its ability to evaluate the biophoton interaction between soils or plants and selected fertilizers when the former and the latter are brought in close proximity to each other without actually mixing them physically, bearing out Kaznocheev's findings in 1979. The procedure is as follows:

The existing energy level is measured. Then, based on chemical analysis reports, history, and experience, fertilizer materials are selected and put with the sample. Energy readings are again taken. If they increase, the material is beneficial and another material is checked. Eventually, a combination of several fertilizer constituents is obtained and checked collectively to determine its effect on the sample. The prescription is then formulated.

This system allows the consultant or farmer to perform his trial-and-error routine with an instrument and a soil sample, rather than by using expensive fertilizers on crops in the field. In this way, he goes to the field with a predetermined success. Every season is different from the last. Every lot of seed is different. Repeating the same fertilizer program year after year is feasible only with an unlimited soil reserve.

Impressive results have been obtained in increasing the quality of crops and reducing or eliminating pests and disease, where farmers have used the fruits of energetic analysis. The old adage, "healthy soils make healthy weeds," has been proven a myth. By electronic scanner evaluation, fertility programs have been formulated that increase the calcium availability sufficiently to eliminate sour grass weed problems, balance the phosphate-to-potash ratio sufficiently to eliminate broad leaf weed problems, and raise plant refractometer levels sufficiently to eliminate insect pest problems.

It is also possible to improve the quality of crops by scientifically balancing nutrition. An Illinois farm management firm has demonstrated in numerous tests over many farms (comprising 14,000 to 20,000 acres) that the amount of protein in grains can be increased by applying bioenergetics. Using conventional fertilizer programs the average protein content of the grain was 7.55 percent, compared to 8.9 percent with a bioenergetic program. This translates to an increase of .76 pounds of protein per bushel, which means that less feed grain is required per animal fed.



Similarly, lambs fed with corn grown with a bioenergetically determined fertilizer regimen required a 27 percent lower feed intake because of the higher mineral content of the feed. Extensive, large-scale tests show that after three years on such a fertilizing program, average drying requirements on corn decline from 7 percentage points to between 3 and 4 points, while test weights increase 1 to 1-1/2 pounds per bushel. Additionally, as the figure on page 40 shows, a biologically balanced soil is much more temperature-stable than a conventionally fertilized soil. This translates to more stable microbial populations, more stable nutrient reserves, and a less stressed crop.

Imperative to this technology is the integration of all fields of science, from biomedicine to biochemistry, physics to petroleum engineering, nutrition to microbiology. Consultants and farmers who understand the close symbiotic relationship between plants and soil microorganisms, as well as nutrient interactions and interrelationships, can be reasonably successful in their fertilization practices through experience, good observation, and recognition of insect, disease, and weed meanings. Energetic analysis allows them to go a step further than being reasonably successful—to being very successful. Using this technology, farmers are able to produce equal or better yielding harvests, at equal or less cost per unit of production, with little or no pesticides, and, most important, with higher
nutritional values.

Arden B. Andersen, a private consultant for several agribusinesses, has a B.S. degree in agricultural education and a Ph.D. in biophysics from Clayton University in St. Louis, with specialties in soil and plant nutrition, product development, and regenerative management. He has written two books, Applied Body Electronics, and The Anatomy of Life and Energy in Agriculture, and is active in several electrobiological research projects.

References

William Albrecht, The Albrecht Papers, Vols. I and II, Ed. Charles Walters, Jr. (Kansas City: Acres, USA, 1975).
Arden B. Andersen, Biophysics: An Ancient Art, A Modern Science. Doctoral dissertation (St. Louis: Clayton University, Jan. 1989).
The Anatomy of Life and Energy in Agriculture (Kansas City: Acres, USA. 1989).
Thomas E. Bearden, "Soviet Phase Conjugate Weapons," CRC Bulletin (Jan. 1988).
Excalibur Briefing (San Francisco: Strawberry Hill Press, 1980).
Robert O. Becker and Gary Selden, The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life (William Morrow, 1987).
Philip S. Callahan, Tuning Into Nature (Old Greenwich: Devin-Adair, 1975). , "Insects and the Battle of the Beams," Fusion (Sept.-Oct. 1985) p. 27.
John Grauerholz, M.D., "Optical Biophysics and Viruses," 21st Century (July-Aug. 1988) p. 44.
N.A. Krasil'nikov, Soil Microorganisms and Higher Plants (Moscow: Academy of Sciences of the USSR, 1958), Transl. Y. Halperin, The Israeli Program for Scientific Translations, 1961. Transl. Y. Halperin, The Israeli Program for Scientific Translations, 1961.
Wolfgang Lillge, M.D., "New Technologies Hold Clue to Curing Cancer," 21st Century (July-Aug. 1988), p. 34.

from here:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=260677&page=2
 
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PetFlora said:
Sub Quantum Kinetics

free energy- not magnetic, or is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxp8qDV9o_c&feature=em-uploademail
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I have to comment on the first video at the top of the page.

The energy required to stop the linear motion and drive it in the opposite direction back and forth so violently that it shakes the table has to account for an enormous parasitic loss of power.

Even in my line of work when I see a machine with a lot of linear movement I already can assume there will be a lot of parts failures do to the linear movements of the machine.

Radial motion is almost always desired over linear, that machine will shake itself to pieces in a matter of days.

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IMO keeping your soil in a magnetic state can only be a good thing this also probably helps in leaching as molecules in a magnetic field tend to vibrate in suspension can only be a plus now we just need to find out how to implement this to our gardens in a efficient matter i believe when i started this thread by placing magnets in direct soil might not of been a great idea , then i hit on the idea of magnetic water instead which i think might be the answer either way when you think about it lights emit a frequency , when DWC yes even that pump is emmiting some sort of magnetic frequency we just need to curve it and figure how it can make our plants possibly grow faster yield more:tiphat:
 
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hoping for boost in electrochemical gradient and possible nutrient polar alignment allowing easier molecular transport via osmosis.

am working on a res pumping water through magnetic vortex...will post update.
been using magnet when soaking seed, and have experimented with some coils. update also when results are determined.

while this has mostly been to while away the time as the girls grow up, it's engaged mental faculties i had been grieving over losing and given some enthusiasm for the puzzle i've encountered. so if this never pans out for the rest of yous, my time here has certainly been more efficeintly utilized...it's attracted my attention...pun intended.

most are going to dismiss this idea as lunacy, yet we shall see.
 
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