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kro-magnon

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Nice work. Rocky D sounds cool. What did you get from the female you grew? Rocky Dennis is afghani x sour bubble or something if I recall correctly?
Have you tried to self Sowahh? Could be fun to dig through a bunch of S1s
Rocky Dennis is Colorado Flo x Sour Bubble, I got a great FLO pheno from the Rocky Melon I've grown with a wonderful high, I've made a grow log of the Rocky Melon in the Karma section.
The 1st Rocky D I've grown was looking like this:
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She had a roasting coffee beans smell and taste with a strong heady high, really lovely.
I've not made any S1 with the Sowahh but I should have try to make some, maybe I'll try with the females coming the few seeds I've done.
 

kro-magnon

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Thinned them out, but not enough it feels like. There will be bunch of small airy stuff in the middle. It's too many plants in there this size. Seems like they stopped stretching now at least. Good end height.
They look really great, really great job to keep them under control, how many days of 12/12 are they now? The stretch keep going until around 1 month of bloom.
 

kro-magnon

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Would S1s not be more stable since it's a bx4? I don't know how it works tho. I'm here to learn.
I think the Bx4 was a better road for the Sour D of Karma but I don't think a S1 would be a herm festival neither if you have a good mother to start with. Many people like to hate on Rez since he was labeled a snitch but before his rep was tarnished, everybody was growing his seeds so take with a grain of salt what says the other poster. If his seeds were really producing only herm they would not have become the phenomenon they were in the 2000's. His seeds were ubiquitous and many so called original Sour Diesel clones are coming straight from his seeds.
The man might be an ass hole but his seeds were solid, sure you will find some herm as Sour D was certainly created via herm pollen but it's not the majority of the plants who will have this problem in a decent grow environment.
 

kro-magnon

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Thinned them out, but not enough it feels like. There will be bunch of small airy stuff in the middle. It's too many plants in there this size. Seems like they stopped stretching now at least. Good end height.
If you feel there is too many bud sites who won't get enough light you still can cut them. Show us how it is under your wonderful canopy if you want
 

choppingdank

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Rocky Dennis is Colorado Flo x Sour Bubble, I got a great FLO pheno from the Rocky Melon I've grown with a wonderful high, I've made a grow log of the Rocky Melon in the Karma section.
The 1st Rocky D I've grown was looking like this: View attachment 19143944 View attachment 19143945
She had a roasting coffee beans smell and taste with a strong heady high, really lovely.
I've not made any S1 with the Sowahh but I should have try to make some, maybe I'll try with the females coming the few seeds I've done.
That's a good looking plant! Crazy stack. Must've been productive that one. Roasted coffee bean smell is so nice. Thats a type of smell I could easily be smelling all day long. Never gets tiring.
 

kro-magnon

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At this stage they should not keep getting a lot of height but still a little bit till the end of week 4, at least mine did. If it was my grow I would cut a few flowers who are really down on each plant to be sure they concentrate their energy on the well exposed bud sites, not the whole branch but the flowers who are really too far from the netting. You are doing great with them, they look happy as can be and well tamed for the long veg they had. As I told you, I'd cut a few flowers but maybe you want some to make your own hashish, the ones really on the bottom won't have any density so the best usage is transforming them in delicious hash.
The Rocky D was indeed a very good yielder, she made 50g with a veg time of only 20 days under a small 100w LED from Mars Hydro. I was really happy with her productivity and her smell/taste was lovely. One of her bigger tops was a 7g cola, beautiful flower.
 

choppingdank

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At this stage they should not keep getting a lot of height but still a little bit till the end of week 4, at least mine did. If it was my grow I would cut a few flowers who are really down on each plant to be sure they concentrate their energy on the well exposed bud sites, not the whole branch but the flowers who are really too far from the netting. You are doing great with them, they look happy as can be and well tamed for the long veg they had. As I told you, I'd cut a few flowers but maybe you want some to make your own hashish, the ones really on the bottom won't have any density so the best usage is transforming them in delicious hash.
The Rocky D was indeed a very good yielder, she made 50g with a veg time of only 20 days under a small 100w LED from Mars Hydro. I was really happy with her productivity and her smell/taste was lovely. One of her bigger tops was a 7g cola, beautiful flower.
I've been wanting to make some gummies bears for a while so I'll use all the airy stuff for that.

50g with 100w sounds like a solid producer. How long was the flowering?
 

kro-magnon

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But I'm thinking that a bx4 is a worked plant and preferably each selection is made with a relatively stable plant/
I've been wanting to make some gummies bears for a while so I'll use all the airy stuff for that.

50g with 100w sounds like a solid producer. How long was the flowering?
The 100w was just for veg, it was flowered under 465w of LED, not always at 100%. She was cut around day 70, could have gone 1 more week but she was attacked by mold.
 

choppingdank

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People use the word stable to mean two things: how similar the plants are, and sexual stability.

The S1 might be more stable in similarity, but it wouldn't necessarily increase sexual stability.
I was just thinking that if you work a plant or a population to a bx4 you preferably would try to select towards more stable plants before you backcross. But that was just an assumption. I need to find a good book with basics to wrap my head around this stuff.
 

choppingdank

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The 100w was just for veg, it was flowered under 465w of LED, not always at 100%. She was cut around day 70, could have gone 1 more week but she was attacked by mold.
Ahh sorry I misread. Anyways a very nice plant amigo. Did you get any Melon leaning plants when growing Rocky Dennis? I'm curious about that Melon variety.

What humidity do you usually have in your growroom at lights on/off? I remember you said you had similar mold problems with your Sowahh grow due to high humidity outdoors.
 

goingrey

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I was just thinking that if you work a plant or a population to a bx4 you preferably would try to select towards more stable plants before you backcross. But that was just an assumption. I need to find a good book with basics to wrap my head around this stuff.
The Cannabis Breeder's Bible by Greg Green is a good basic level book
 

kro-magnon

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Ahh sorry I misread. Anyways a very nice plant amigo. Did you get any Melon leaning plants when growing Rocky Dennis? I'm curious about that Melon variety.

What humidity do you usually have in your growroom at lights on/off? I remember you said you had similar mold problems with your Sowahh grow due to high humidity outdoors.
The humidity in the flowering space was fluctuating between 60/80% all day long depending of the outside humidity who was constantly around 90/100% for months. It was a real headache to keep viable conditions for the flowers, I lost around 20/30g in the last grow if I add all the small buds I had to cut here and there on all the different plants.
The Sowahh#3 in the last flowering I did was almost not damaged by mold, she lost maybe 1/2g on a 120g plant, it's not a big lost. I've found the Sowahh quite resistant to awful humid conditions but the HeadBanger is a different beast, the Biker Kush genes makes the flowers a lot more dense, when I was doing HB I had around 50/60% RH max and never lost a single flower to mold but it was in a different living place. I'm glad to leave the old building where I lived those last 4 years, it's really not insulated enough a hell to heat enough.
 

choppingdank

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The humidity in the flowering space was fluctuating between 60/80% all day long depending of the outside humidity who was constantly around 90/100% for months. It was a real headache to keep viable conditions for the flowers, I lost around 20/30g in the last grow if I add all the small buds I had to cut here and there on all the different plants.
The Sowahh#3 in the last flowering I did was almost not damaged by mold, she lost maybe 1/2g on a 120g plant, it's not a big lost. I've found the Sowahh quite resistant to awful humid conditions but the HeadBanger is a different beast, the Biker Kush genes makes the flowers a lot more dense, when I was doing HB I had around 50/60% RH max and never lost a single flower to mold but it was in a different living place. I'm glad to leave the old building where I lived those last 4 years, it's really not insulated enough a hell to heat enough.
30g loss with that high of a humidity is nothing really unless it was one plant. But yeah mold sucks regardless.
I guess headbanger is up for a mold resistance test in this grow hehe. My RH goes up to 70% ish at lights out. Not good but not really that bad either considering I'm not running a dehumidifier.

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kro-magnon

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30g loss with that high of a humidity is nothing really unless it was one plant. But yeah mold sucks regardless.
I guess headbanger is up for a mold resistance test in this grow hehe. My RH goes up to 70% ish at lights out. Not good but not really that bad either considering I'm not running a dehumidifier.

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If you have enough air movement in the space it should be ok with this % of RH, it's not ideal but not desperate conditions. I lost a bit of every plant I had in my last run, I can't remember right now but I think 1 out of 9 didn't loose a single flower to mild.
Good luck with your Headbanger, they must have a powerful now, they are at 30/35 days of 12/12 now? I like to lower to 11/13 after week 4 or 5 of bloom with this type of genetics, I find it helpful to speed up a little bit the flowering.
 

choppingdank

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Starting to swell a bit. Bumped up EC slightly to 2.2 and can see right away that they didn't like that. Getting tiny burn on the tips and slight unhappiness. I'll have to thin out the canopy once more I feel like. A bit too thick in there.

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Mid flower unhappiness as expected. Will probably start to decrease base nutes in a week or so.
 

kro-magnon

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A EC over 2 is for sure too much for a strain like HB, I used the organic line of General Hydroponics(now called Terra Aquatica in Europe) while growing HB and they loved it with a bit of bat guano as well, the plants were loving their diet but I never give too much nutes.
 

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