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Secondhand marijuana smoke from bongs more dangerous than cigarette smoke
Secondhand cannabis smoke from a bong is more dangerous than cigarette smoking, according to researchers.

In a study published Wednesday in the journal JAMA Network Open, authors from the University of California, Berkeley School of Public Health wrote that bong smoking “is not safe.”

“Decades ago, many people thought [secondhand tobacco smoke (SHTS)] presented no health risk to nonsmokers. Scientific research since then changed this perception and led to smoke-free environments. Incorrect beliefs about [secondhand cannabis smoke (SHCS)] safety promote indoor cannabis smoking,” they said.

“Nonsmokers are exposed to even higher concentrations of SHCS materials during ‘hot-boxing,’ the popular practice in which cannabis smokers produce high volumes of smoke in an enclosed environment. This study’s findings suggest SHCS in the home is not safe and that public perceptions of SHCS safety must be addressed.”

The group found that concentrations of fine particulate matter (PM2.5) generated in a home during social cannabis bong smoking to which a nonsmoking resident might be exposed were greatly increased compared with background levels, and that PM2.5 decayed only gradually after smoking ceased.

Following 15 minutes of smoking, average PM2.5 was more than twice the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) hazardous air quality threshold.

“If one assumes the exposure concentrations were at the mean levels observed, a single home smoking session with no other exposures would generate an estimated mean daily concentration that greatly exceeds the average in cigarette-smoking homes, nonsmoking homes and the U.S. EPA daily standard,” the researchers said.

In order to reach these conclusions, the Environmental Health Sciences Division members’ levels of PM2.5 were measured before, during and after eight cannabis social-smoking sessions in a household living room.

An aerosol monitor was placed where a nonsmoker might sit to record the levels.

Home cannabis bong smoking significantly increased PM2.5 from background levels by at least 100-fold to 1,000-fold for six of eight sessions. The other two sessions had high background levels and significantly increased PM2.5 more than 20-fold.

During the first 10 minutes of smoking, mean PM2.5 concentrations increased to 410 micrograms and 570 micrograms after 15 minutes. After half an hour, that level was 1,000 micrograms, and it reached as high as 2,500 micrograms in one session.

The concentration during smoking increased to an average of 1,300 micrograms.

During two-hour smoking sessions, the mean five-minute peak PM2.5 concentration was 1,700 micrograms and remained half of that 90 minutes after smoking ended.

“Each half hour after smoking ceased, mean concentration declined to 78% of peak value, then 60%, then 40% and, after 110 minutes, 31%,” the authors wrote. “In the [one] session monitored for 12 hours after smoking stopped, PM2.5 remained elevated at 50 [micrograms], more than 10 times the background concentration. Cannabis bong smoking in the home generated [four] times greater PM2.5 concentrations than cigarette or tobacco hookah smoking.”

Limitations to the study include that cannabis smoking was not directly observed.

“You recall the orange days of wildfires a year and a half ago? When the sky was orange the concentrations of particles were 10 times higher than that,” she told the Bay Area’s KRON 4 Wednesday.

PM2.5, the main component of wildfire smoke, has been found to be linked to lung disease and cardiovascular issues.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, marijuana is the most commonly used federally illegal drug in the US.

The agency said 48.2 million people, or about 18% of Americans, used it at least once in 2019.
Secondhand marijuana smoke from bongs more dangerous than cigarette smoke (nypost.com)
 

Douglas.Curtis

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So their assumption of danger is based on particulate material levels, not any actual studies.

I'll be one of the first people to point out bong smoke from poor quality cannabis 'could' potentially be harmful, I would more likely expect to see studies verifying the drinking of the bong water to be more dangerous than the second hand smoke levels. ;) lol
 

goingrey

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So their assumption of danger is based on particulate material levels, not any actual studies.

I'll be one of the first people to point out bong smoke from poor quality cannabis 'could' potentially be harmful, I would more likely expect to see studies verifying the drinking of the bong water to be more dangerous than the second hand smoke levels. ;) lol

Their assumption is based on the particulate size (2.5 μm), not the "quality" of the source. The idea is that such small particles can penetrate deep into the lungs and cause damage.

It has been studied at least in regards to industrial pollution in China (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4740125/), traffic pollution in Europe (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23849838/), and wildfire smoke in North America (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32302851/) - all coming to similar conclusions despite the varied sources.

And now that I think about those studies, my earlier suggestion of opening a window might not be so great because of man made pollution in urban and industrial areas and natural pollution in the sticks. What a bummer topic.
 

Koondense

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The trouble with this research is that in the 2.5um particles you can count micro water droplets(regular fog) which actually comes out a bong containing water which gets heated/partially vaporised.
The water also carries other potentially harmful particles so it should get researched more in depth.
For example, I have an air particle meter in my room and it goes nuts when I vape with the Mighty. Just vapor from a session in a small room makes the levels(2.5, 5 and 10um particles) hit the high values of 600-1000(limit)... so go figure. I assume the vapour could also be labeled as harmful in the same context of this study.
It's a flawed study per se, it needs more focused research for more meaningful results.

Cheers
 

shithawk420

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I also don't like tobacco smoke. Maybe, those researchers can investigate how many people
die each year with Big Pharma pills. I bet Cannabis causes a whole lot less deaths and most
of those studies are funded by Big Pharma trying to make Cannabis look bad.

As far as I know no one has died from cannabis.my uncle was a respiratory therapist and he smokes up to ten joints a day.hes 65 I think.he had this wierd theory that pot smoke actually cleans the lungs.i have no idea if that's true.probably not
 

Nexus7

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As far as I know no one has died from cannabis.my uncle was a respiratory therapist and he smokes up to ten joints a day.hes 65 I think.he had this wierd theory that pot smoke actually cleans the lungs.i have no idea if that's true.probably not

I tried many different vapes and was mostly a bong guy my whole life. I just smoke joints these days and my lungs feel a whole lot better so maybe your uncle is on to something.
 

shithawk420

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I tried many different vapes and was mostly a bong guy my whole life. I just smoke joints these days and my lungs feel a whole lot better so maybe your uncle is on to something.

Yeah maybe.he only smokes joints.ive seen him smoke hash in a bowl once.other than that it's always joints.i can't smoke like him anymore.he rolls joints for guests and rolls a joint for himself.hes like fucking Chong lol
 

shithawk420

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^^^ I know. I just smoked some nice Landrace Sativa joints outside and my lungs feel cleared up.

I'm ready to take on the Shogun's weak Samurais. :laughing:

Haha! That needs to be quoted! You crack me up buddy! Sativa would would blow my mind right now!
 

goingrey

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As far as I know no one has died from cannabis.my uncle was a respiratory therapist and he smokes up to ten joints a day.hes 65 I think.he had this wierd theory that pot smoke actually cleans the lungs.i have no idea if that's true.probably not

Maybe that's why the secondhand smoke tests so negatively, it has picked up all kinds of nasties from the lungs? :D

I remember back in the days when I smoked a lot (both bong hits and joints) I used to hock loogies with black gunk in them all the time. Like your uncle, I would convince myself that it was some kind of beneficial cleanse at the time. But retrospectively I have come to think that probably it was just chronic inflammation caused by smoking. And while it was good to get that tar out, possibly it would not have been there in the first place without such ridiculous amounts of use (abuse really). I'm no respiratory therapist though so who knows.
 

f-e

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1 in 4 properties had 50x more in the air, before testing started. Some of the evidence comes from homes that got a 100 fold increase. Conceivably smoking made some homes twice as bad as others were without smoking.

I think the limited exposure of smoking a few hours a day is interesting, but what of the homes that are half as bad, but all the time. It seems where you live is more important than what you smoke in over half the cases studied.
 

shithawk420

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Maybe that's why the secondhand smoke tests so negatively, it has picked up all kinds of nasties from the lungs? :D

I remember back in the days when I smoked a lot (both bong hits and joints) I used to hock loogies with black gunk in them all the time. Like your uncle, I would convince myself that it was some kind of beneficial cleanse at the time. But retrospectively I have come to think that probably it was just chronic inflammation caused by smoking. And while it was good to get that tar out, possibly it would not have been there in the first place without such ridiculous amounts of use (abuse really). I'm no respiratory therapist though so who knows.

Yeah I think that's how he got his theory.he would hack a lugiie and call it a day..but in actuality the I'm sorry I have a hard time remembering but the scillia clean the lungs.theres a whole system that is very interesting.unfortunatly my othether unclucle is stage 4 lung cancer.terminal.yep.he smoked cigarettes
 

Cactus Squatter

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“Nonsmokers are exposed to even higher concentrations of SHCS materials during ‘hot-boxing,’ the popular practice in which cannabis smokers produce high volumes of smoke in an enclosed environment. This study’s findings suggest SHCS in the home is not safe and that public perceptions of SHCS safety must be addressed.”

It is not “second hand” nor are you a “non-smoker” if you willingly and regularly sit in for a clam bake session. How flawed can you make a “study” and still try and be credible? Which idiot decided to fund this?
 

shithawk420

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I remember an old study that said you'd have to smoke like 500 pounds in minutes to die from cannabis.well like yeah duh! Your being choked to death from smoke! Idiots!
 

mexweed

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if you live in one of those overpriced cardboard box townhomes by a highway that they put up some cheap landscaping divider wall between the traffic and your back porch that you grill red meat on during the summer, I would put my money on you're doing a lot more damage enjoying your summer
 
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