Windows

[Switcher56]

Just a simple question...

I am running Win7 because having come from Ubuntu, Win10 was simply too "clunky" I operated Ubuntu for for 12-13 years until short term memory loss no longer permitted me "coding" even with notes.

What is the difference/improvement between win10 and 11 if any?

 

[tobedetermined]

I have not heard one single compelling reason to get Win 11. 10 works just fine.

 

[GMT]

Any meaning full diff between 10 S, 10 home and 10 pro? I'm about to buy a second hand laptop.

Also what's clunky about 10, bearing in mind my last windows was 2000

 

[Hammerhead]

You cant use win11 if you don't have a TPM installed. The older the MB is it's unlikely there's a header for it. Also, your Bios must support secure boot. I have all of this installed but I won't be installing win11 for at least 2 years.. I'd rather others debug it for a few years before I install it. Win10 still has 4 more years of support. I liked win7, the only reason I "upgraded" to 10 is 7 is no longer supported. You will not get any updates using 7.

 

[troutman]

I'm not updating my laptop to Win 11.

Nothing worse than updating when all works well and then regretting things are messed up.

Kind of like the last upgrade ICMAG got. Can we go back?

 

[Switcher56]

Any meaning full diff between 10 S, 10 home and 10 pro? I'm about to buy a second hand laptop.

Also what's clunky about 10, bearing in mind my last windows was 2000

I, for many years, didn't buy from big box stores. I used to build my own (under assistance). My main frame was Windows XP which in 2007 was no longer available. The only option I had was either Vista or "Linux" in this case Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn" and we all know how atrocious (clunky) Vista was.

In 2012 I purchased a laptop which had Win7 installed. Pretty stable platform and very similar in operability to XP. Somewhere in the 1st year, I/we were offered to upgrade right to Win10 because of Win8's failure. At the time I purchased the laptop it came loaded with Open Office, a much more powerful word processing software that MS Office, which although fully literate in that platform still preferred using Word Perfect (more intuitive). Being retired from the military (which operated under MS Office) I no longer had any use for MS Office anymore, for what I did with a PC. I am not a gamer.

Prior to the purchase of my 1st PC ('93) I was explained the difference between a Win platform and the Mac OS system. That flew right over my head. Short strokes using a metaphor, Win was VHS whilst the "Mac" was Beta. We all know the difference between the quality of the two. The downside to the Mac (same as for Beta) was the lack of choice: movies in one; and software in the other. With Ubuntu I experienced the power and stability of the Mac operating system.

Sunday, February 10, 2008
(an "editorial" post on my Bonsai blog)

Tired of Microsoft...


I have recently (Sept '07) switched over to Linux, more specifically to Kubuntu (Feisty Fawn 7.04), which is Ubuntu operating the KDE desktop as a user interface. Linux is not for the computer illiterate, the learning curve is steep, but the rewards far outweigh the complexity IMO.

I was tired of all the BS that surrounds the MS operating system and MS products as a whole. You may wish to compare Linux and MS metaphorically to Beta and VHS. We all know that from inception Beta was far superior as far as quality etc... than VHS. Unfortunately, the popularity/availability of VHS over Beta won the race. Was that a good thing? I believe if Beta's availability was greater the consumer would of had a choice, isn't that what free enterprise is all about ...choice?

Maybe it's because I am getting old (I sound like Andy Rooney), I believe in innovation but do not necessarily believe in following "the" program. Who's program? We are now living in a world where folks are flocking like sheep at the gate to follow "the" program. Instead of we as consumers or just plain human beings voicing our opinions and disgusts wrt what is going on. We have become a generation where convenience is a daily operative word. In doing so many core values are freely exchanged for the minor convenience(s) rendered, whether it be the gun legislation, Sunday shopping or whatever... Statistically speaking far more people are injured talking on their cell phone while driving than non criminal acts of firearm accidents. The gun legislation has not taken guns off the street so to speak. It has indeed increased the difficulty of law abiding citizens in acquiring guns for recreational purposes, but has not hindered criminals. If I, as a law abiding citizen acquire an AK47 in a matter of weeks, what does that say about our gun legislation? Scary isn't it? Hey! but we are all part of "the" program.

I recently had a long debate with some friends on the subject of "the" program. It seems that the younger generation support "the" program, whilst the older generation has misgivings wrt its application. Now, we are not talking about very young and the very old here, we are talking 30 comparative to 50. The most misused word in today's vocabulary IMO is... it's convenient. When a person can no longer discuss the merits of the conversation, they simply reply because it is convenient, not realizing the implication surrounding the fallout of such actions.

An example of convenience can be seen with self "check out" found these days in most large stores. What is the ramifications surrounding this convenience? The fallout from this convenience is job loss, beneficial to the company perhaps, but not to the public at large due to employment opportunity loss. Regardless of arguments it can be summarized as "greed" on part of both the consumer and enterprise. Folks use the self check outs to avoid long line ups. The solution open more registers = employment. I had a discussion about a couple of months ago on this very subject, whereas folks could not see the pitfalls. I even had a teller (my age) that stated that self check outs do not necessarily result in job lost, but increase in customer convenience. There we go that word again. To me this word is as repulsive as saying F... Anyway we went on to discuss this observation. I stated "one teller to look after 5 cash registers. Are they paying you more for this service since you are looking after 5 tills vice 1? She said no. Then, 4 people are out of a job, while ensuring customer satisfaction and throughput. This is just an example and I am sure we can argue the merits of both sides until the cows come home, but I'll refrain from this tangent and bring us back to the subject at hand, Linux and the subject of "choice".

Because I believe in innovations (Linux/Unix is not really innovation. It has been around for quite some time, just not in the average household), I got on with "the" program so to speak. Not the mainframe program, but my program, one of which included choice. As a consumer I chose to distance myself from "the" program, so to speak, and the reasons were simple. I was tired of spending copious amounts of money maintaining the "convenience" of home based PCs.

This tiredness resulted from the frustration of having to constantly upgrade software because of fixes to the MS operating system, that rendered a good portion of software incompatible with the newly fixed MS operating system and so on and so forth. Bill did not build an empire (because that is what it is) by being stupid. I have said for years that the software and hardware industry have been in bed with each other. Build it and they will come! That is something we have all heard. Create a demand, and the consumer has no choice but respond accordingly.

Windows is an extremely user friendly OS, but it stops there IMO. I'm looking for software compatibility enjoyed by Mac users and a stable platform that doesn't require rebuilding every 6 months or so, because of some imposed fix from MS that renders your platform unstable. Mac metaphorically speaking can be compared to Beta and VHS. When Apple created the "Mac" and their operating system, they did it right IMO. When they created their software, they insured it was compatible not only with the OS, but with the other designed software for use on the "Mac".

Now it can be argued that MS is in this pile of "doodoo" because of consumer demands. The one stop shopping syndrome. Regardless of what "what is" as long as I can get it in one package, I am happy. Years ago I used to run a memory manager, that used RAM more efficiently then allowing "Windows" to decide when and where to use it. To the many uninformed, this was indeed a good solution. Was it efficient? No! In days of old, we needed to reboot our systems because of "low resources", do you remember those days? A comparison might be like borrowing money, in this case RAM. Windows used to borrow, but never pay back hence, lack of resources. Memory managers were like debt collectors for the lack of a better word. They knocked on Windows' door demanding payment of said debt, and "windows" obliged. It's not that windows did not honour their debt, they were to busy trying to manage memory to actually take a time out and pay their debt. They appreciated a third party taking part in this interaction, but couldn't really be bothered until pestered. When discussing "choice" this is but one example where IMO a win win situation was not only created but existed. A need was created by "windows", this need was fulfilled by a third party (creating opportunity and sales, not to mention employment) and offered the consumer a "choice", whether they wished to allow the inadequate memory management offered and packaged by "windows" or use a third party in the management process. "Choice" formed an integral part of "convenience" Are you still with me?

So why did I switch? Elementary my Dear Watson! I was sick and tired of daily crashes, sometimes up to 20 a day, because of incompatibility issues, not only between "windows" and software, but incompatibility issues between "windows" and hardware. Some of the fixes were no longer compatible with your hardware configuration, so you were forced to shell out more dollars to fix the associated problems. Allot of the fixes were security related, therefore the need to constantly update your OS. At times these updates rendered your Virus software incompatible or worst inoperative, leaving you with 2 choices, become vulnerable or upgrade. The biggest incompatibility issue lies with IE6 and better and Mc Afee. There are indeed better virus software out there than Mc Afee, but they all have their faults, some more than others. Talk to the gurus and you will get a 10 to the power of, answer.

For years I enjoyed the luxury of a corporate license, permitting the use of the software in the home, for business related issues. Now that I am retired, I no longer fall under this luxurious umbrella. When software is no longer compatible, I need to fork out money. The only reason I still maintain MS products on my PC, is because I still have kids in school. The missus and I do not need any related MS products for our daily computer interactions. That's one of the reason I did the switch.

I updated my tower (built myself) under supervision and decided that Ruth and I do not need MS or any other product in our lives for what we use a PC for. The old system was reformatted and a clean install of Windows XP Pro, was carried out. During initial installation before I could get around to putting Virus software and spy killers on the machine, I was attacked by 117 robots of which 2 were viruses, not harmful viruses (now known as malware), but viruses nonetheless that would not allow me to install McAfee. I couldn't get rid of the virus, so it forced me to start anew. The following day, I disconnected the NIC card and reinstalled everything prior to registration and activation. I was fortunate and now have a clean system. For how long? God only knows! To reformat this PC takes hours, vice minutes. I require 168 updates every time I reformat, this is only going to get worst as time goes on.

To further exacerbate my computer woes, as of January 2008, "windows" will no longer be supporting previous software releases so they can concentrate on Vista. It is not that updates will no longer be available, but new problems, security or otherwise will no longer be fixed. Talking to the public at large, and the gurus, Vista is probably the worst OS that MS has released. Because of what has been discussed herein, now you now why I decided it was time to make a switch, where I can at least control my destiny. I had a "choice"

Don't get me wrong, Linux is not for everyone, especially to folks who have basked in the luxury that Windows and GUI (graphic user interface) offered the public at large but, De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum est , there is a Linux flavour for everyone.

As I mentioned "the" program and its "convenience" made the average PC user lazy because of GUI. When our systems fail we take them to the shop for repair at $85/hr, a "convenience" that was mentioned in the discussion I had last WE. I would rather fix my own problems then shell out hard earned cash to someone else. I would rather spend this money on something else, bonsai for instance (since this is a bonsai forum) which brings me greater pleasure and less frustrations than maintaining a PC. By all means computer shops are needed as this not only creates employment opportunities, but remains a useful resource when all else fails.

GUI has rendered us lazy and therefore the need for PC repair shops was created. When we take our PCs to the shop, isn't it funny that they seldom use GUI to troubleshoot your system, but rather command line entries (DOS or programming language of one flavour or the other). Not everyone is interested nor has the capability of operating in this fashion, for sake of convenience if nothing else.

My switch was rather seamless, because of previously learned basic computer skills. The learning curve is not as steep to me because of previous experience using command line functions, and hence why I chose the "flavour" I am now operating, which permits a large portion of GUI and has the ability for those inclined to use the "shell" (Command Prompt). It is a hell of allot easier to correct "a file" vice reformatting the whole system. You can argue that this is also possible with "windows" and you are absolutely right. However, it seemed to me it would become a weekly task.

So you might ask why would one switch over? Stability! and the growing popularity of the OS from industry, to the common household. I believe that open source software is the way of the future. It not only allows the consumer a choice, but because of "open source" provides the consumer with multiple choices of what OS is better suited to meet "their" PC demands. The alternate solution? Vista! sorry that is all that will remain after January, so I jumped on the band wagon now rather then be forced later. It was my "choice"

What I have seen so far (1 month) is a OS that is stable, does not require to be rebooted (some systems haven't been rebooted for years), can you say that categorically with "windows". We have become accustomed to: when all else fails reboot, a neat way of realigning your OS. A good OS system does not require continual alignment of its components IMO. The downside of switching? MS software for the most part is obsolete. It can be run through emulation, but not all is compatible for emulation, for the time being. The flip side of this argument, is that one would need to upgrade MS software regardless in the future to maintain compatibility with the OS. My freedom! I do not need to change software, update it, or upgrade it if all is well. Once again it comes down to choice and the freedom thereof.

This is an example of why I believe in Linux's future:

My step-daughter created homework on her father's PC operating Vista which runs MS Office 2007 out of the box, which in turn you will need to purchase after X times used from MS, how convenient. Anyway her power point presentation could not be opened at school. She was taught that any ppt presentation needed to be saved as "pack and go" but, she saved did save it as "pack and go". It was saved as a (.*ppt, something that caused major fuck ups world wide, as everything created at the time, whether in word, xl or a data base, had the suffix, *doc, or *xl etc, whereas the old system would save them as (.doc, .xl and .ppt) She should have saved it as a 97-2003 file and it would have worked fine, but. Anyway I opened the file in OpenOffice (Linux version of MS Office) I was not only able to open it, but also save it as a (.ppt) MS Office 97-03 file. Her homework can now be run at school. I ran it under MS Office 2000 at home (other PC) not a problem. All my old MS files are accessible in OpenOffice. She was thrilled I was capable of saving the day, and so was I with the power of Linux. As you know you can open older version on newer versions, but not the other way around, at least that is my understanding. I was pleased with what I was capable of doing. I am sure as time goes by that I will be enlightened further wrt this OS. To date I am tickled pink!

I am sure we all received/remember files in e-mails that couldn't be opened, for a spell. That is why. It has since been rectified BUT, why was it done in the 1st place?

Because the core of Linux allows you to build upon the "kernel" to suit your PC needs, it doesn't have all the extra baggage "windows" bundles just in case user X requires it. The payback, a super fast and stable system, that reboots in seconds vice minutes (relatively speaking) Oh! I almost forgot. Are you frustrated these days of constantly having to reopen help files or whatever, because of only one desktop? I can operate up to 20 (desktops) from one monitor. Now that is a nice feature for what I do. Like cut and paste from various parts of the Net into one document. I only have my system set up with 4, but isn't it nice to know that I have another 16 available should the need arise, and the best of all, it's free and a button click away. Now! not only is that performance, but Choice...

PS: What is "the" program again?

^^ Wow what a trip down memory lane ^^

We live in a consumer society (by design), of repair by replacement, something instituted since the '90s. The downside "shit" simply doesn't last anymore, and I mean anything. Sure it may stimulate the economy/stock market but, it sure has eroded (in a big way) "disposable income".

Does that answer your question?

 

[f-e]

I liked win95 the most, but xp was alright once the multiuser aspects were defeated. Win7 could look like xp, which is as far as I want to go. I tried win8 but it was an utter nightmare. It made finding your pics really easy, but to do anything with them was as messy as having to boot into safe mode and find the hidden route to them. It seemed to be child safe, as you couldn't do anything. I like to switch on my PC and see a desktop. Open a file, and do anything you might want to it. Segregation on a single user PC is infuriating. It's just hiding stuff from yourself.

Bliss they called it. How a PC is meant to be.


I used 10 on the Christmas laptop, then put it down. It felt pointlessly foreign. I would jump to Linux, but like windows, they don't pick something and keep improving it. If they did it would be great by now. Instead it's fractured. There is no denying that having a PC is about having windows. That's what downloads install on.

The chrome book OS is looking better, but non have any real memory. They are just a browser. You can get the app store and find other things to add, but it's very much related to android phones. Google want them online, so there will be some wait before other app stores pop up with apps more suited to offline use.
You can put in on a PC https://www.google.com/chromebook/chrome-os/

I will look at Linux lite I think. I have a PC repair disc that can run a PC without a hard drive. You just set to boot from CD rom, and it can run minixp or Linux from the CD, and just use ram memory. It's great as you can use it to probe broken drive, run utilities, or get on the net. I have found using the Linux version there to be very simple. Some might look at lite
https://www.linuxliteos.com/


I don't feel I do anything special with my PC that needs layers of bollox. My phones a good example. Android, with all I need regularly on my home screen. The rest, packed away in the apps folder. My daughter finds it basic, and shows me her Iphone with everything dumped on the homescreen and thinks its great having all this stuff. However, she can't find anything in that clutter. The simplest of tasks are hard work. It will screen mirror to nothing. You have to install apps on things to make them talk, and then decide what to share, bit by bit. It's just so bloated. I installed a picture of the TV remote on my android, and it works. She simply can't. This is why I would love a simple windows. Not the all singing all dancing version. Surely a modern miniXP replacement exists.


It's been so long.. the disk is called the Hiren's boot CD and uses a ram partition of 10MB. Yes.. windows in 10MB and part of a CD, so you install it every time you want it. It can also fit on a usb stick. So you can take your OS with you, and use it on locked PCs. Then it's gone when you are. https://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd
Look at that list of utilities



Edit: Their appears to be a new boot CD (that's a dvd) which will put win10 on your system, without putting win10 on your system. A chance to run it, poke at it, call it names, and then maybe make friends https://www.hirensbootcd.org/
That isn't the official site, but rather a fans site as the Hirens is 10 years old now. It was golden though. This newer one runs in 2GB of ram. I would be downloading it now, but I'm not sure my dvd drive even opens. Never mind burns, or me having discs.
It looks good.. Nothing like what I saw. Perhaps there will be a file list explosion across 3 monitors when you click, but it's clean

 

[Gry]

Once used to have to use Windows to use video editing apps.
Those days are gone, and I am tickled pink with unbuntu
My days Lian Li cases and high dollar motherboards are
gone. I now buy used laptops packed with ram and put unbuntu
on them and then do not turn them off. Last several years.
Time to go ahead and grab the next one so it will be ready
when needed.

Often wondered idly, what is the cheapest way to get online
currently.

 

[f-e]

Gry Just online, them chromebooks are hard to beat. Yes a real bad phone is cheaper, but it seems the chromebook is cost effective as it's not so difficult to package.
200$ nets a Lenovo with 14" screen, 64GB HD and 4GB ram. While it all boils down to Linux, it's laptop place in the market has it running a microsoft office variant. A collaboration that opened my eyes. https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Chrome...ef_=ast_sto_dp
Down the page is an HP with Intel processor, for similar beans. These one's are not quite big tablets, as that's no touch screen. The real action is twice the price, but still, for 200$ it's cut it's own niche in the market, and all the brands are making them. Phone like guts in laptop packaging. International flight running times, including the delays.

 

[Switcher56]

I liked win95 the most, but xp was alright once the multi-user aspects were defeated.

Win '95 was indeed the best platform they had, according to many. It did everything you wanted it to do and was relatively stable.

I will check those links out.

 

[Switcher56]

Once used to have to use Windows to use video editing apps.
Those days are gone, and I am tickled pink with unbuntu
My days Lian Li cases and high dollar motherboards are
gone. I now buy used laptops packed with ram and put unbuntu
on them and then do not turn them off. Last several years.
Time to go ahead and grab the next one so it will be ready
when needed.

Often wondered idly, what is the cheapest way to get online
currently.

Back in the day, I would buy the best I could afford within reason, with expand-ability in mind. At the time big box stores were selling units with onboard sound and graphic cards as part of the MB. I had some kid tell me it was the way to go, the way of the future. I hate being lied to. I gave him an education. I had to ditch my 486-DX2/66 because the graphics card quit. Not the entire graphics card, but the gibberish it was putting out on screen rendered the 'puter useless. As that is what was on the market at the time, I found a shop that built/designed PCs for you. They allowed you to built it with them (under supervision), and never looked back. It is not uncommon to have to replace the odd component: power supplies, graphic cards; and soundboards etc...

Back in those days, you got a copy of your software you bought, a disk and had a license, not some disk image that never really solved problems. Unless you totally reformat your HD, you don't have a clean system, as files are never "deleted" or entirely removed. They leave "clutter" behind.

My current box was an older PC from an office complex, which most businesses budget to replace every 3 yrs or so. Nothing wrong with it, with the exception of running Win7, that gets "clunkier" as time goes by with all these security updates and... don't even think of running any security software running in the background. It slows down to a crawl, whilst Linux never required any of that "shit".

Just a simple question...

I am running Win7 because having come from Ubuntu, Win10 was simply too "clunky" I operated Ubuntu for for 12-13 years until short term memory loss no longer permitted me "coding" even with notes.

Which part of this eluded you good buddy?

 

[f-e]

Nothing but off topic story telling in this post

Weeks before win95, I was on a course teaching us 3.1
3.1 was a set of floppy discs. You turned on a brain dead computer, and fed it the disc to tell it what is was going to be. For example, the word processing disk meant you could type words, and it would spell check. Turn it off and on again, and you could put in the spreadsheet disc. It could add up numbers. I swear if I shook it, valves would of fell out. Then win95 came, and the world changed. It was all there, all the time. Plus it all made sense, you could just use it. The leap was so great, that time travel was proved. One week it was green screen, then the next an OS I still want today. I run it on an old laptop for programming old car ECU's that newer PC's think are too slow to be actually working. That laptop boots in under a minute.

A fresh install of Windows 95 is at most 100mb. A fresh install of Windows 10 comparatively is about 25gb

So adding wifi connections to the dial up networking support takes 24.9GB? I will buy a wire...

I have spent years trying to get a disk image of this 7 machine. It just won't do it. So much unmanageable junk. I love disk images. It's a lot easier than anti-virus. A complete rebuild all automated, with all drivers and software in place, all your files, settings. You welcome a virus, as it's time for a cup of tea anyway.

 

[Switcher56]

I designed a lot of application software using MS-Access back in the 90s. Although I developed tools that saved tons of money, the unit wouldn't send me on the MS course $1K and if I passed the course I would have been Microsoft Certified. At the time I was recently divorced or I would have paid for it myself. As years went by I continued developing tools to turn everything digital.

I remember the Command Diesel Inspector, was going to fail us/me because, we didn't have a "paper log". What do you want to know? Name it! What report are you looking for in particular, name it! He was an old friend but he was a pusser dude. He got cute and mentioned a few things... So quicker than you can say Jackie Robinson, the printer spat out what he had asked. Pass I thought you would see it my way LOL.

 

[Gry]

For me the goal was video editing, and I used to spend my days putting together drive arrays.
Once front side bus speed hit 400 mHz it became a down hill run.

 

[Hammerhead]

For me the goal was video editing, and I used to spend my days putting together drive arrays.
Once front side bus speed hit 400 mHz it became a down hill run.

I build media servers. I have a huge library of Music/Video. Thiers plenty of old Machines that are killer for this.

 

[Gry]

I gradually learned that it was much cheaper to stay about six months behind the cycle with personal builds.
Used to work with a fellow who was able to go in and modify the various components of an OS to thin them
down considerably. Have a cut down version of 98 and Windows 2000 that have worked out real well for me
when I need windows.

 

[Switcher56]

I gradually learned that it was much cheaper to stay about six months behind the cycle with personal builds.
Used to work with a fellow who was able to go in and modify the various components of an OS to thin them
down considerably. Have a cut down version of 98 and Windows 2000 that have worked out real well for me
when I need windows.

Agreed! By the time "one" opens the box, to have that OBE, your computer is already obsolete. Hence why we purchased components with that in mind. I had some good mentors over the years. The best thing that one did for me with my 1st PC was to tech me DOS. I said you don't understand... My computer is a "windows" computer LOL. He said... windows is software while DOS is your operating system, or as he said... DOS is your body and windows your clothes. We were at sea on NATO and we had 6 months together. I came home equipped with the tools I needed to not only run my system but to troubleshoot it. This was circa '95.

By '96 I was able to piece together what buddy had told me wrt the delta between Mac and Windows, when it came to software conflicts. Back in the day, Norton was responsible for IRQ conflicts, amongst other things, during its operation. It would provide you with a list of what "it" found and asked you if you wanted to repair. Back in the Navy, all our software to serving personnel was free (under license) because we had to work from home etc... not only that it was an investment in the future. That particular program (forgot the name), was removed from the "network", and we quit having problems (for a spell).

I was extremely "anal" in the day wrt performance, and I would reformat at least once a week maybe every 2nd week, but you get my gist. Back in the day, the only anti virus we were permitted on our PCs was Mc Afee. It was not an issue, I ran it right up until I switched to a Linux platform, where, virus software was obsolete. BUT, prior to switching to Linux, because of the various updates etc... Mc Afee was no longer compatible with my operating system (Win XP). Notwithstanding, the new shit that was being installed in the background also rendered my architecture obsolete e.g my software was no longer compatible with my hardware, by no fault of my own.

Short strokes... unless you burn out a component or whatever, and you are not communicating with the world (like a Bonsai friend in CA) who ran win '95. You can run your PC more or less forever. It is the "outside world" and "capitalism" that places us where we are today. An R by R society, or a "consumer society" which has been previously discussed. A point to add here, I have never installed any "beta" software on my PCs, and if it wasn't for the onset of dementia I would be on a Linux box.

It took my 1hr or so (asking my wife the name (she didn't have a clue either) to come up with the name "Norton" aforementioned here. I knew the disk was yellow, and was packaged within "windows" software (at a point much later). This household never ran it and acquired other virus software. I found the name via various Qs to google. Ask the right Q and you get the right answer. (reformat the Q, refine the Q based on the result) akin to the delta "is PG safe" or "what is coupled with the side effects of PG". Seems like the same Q, but it is not. Back to IRQ interference...

During a re-format (in the day) I forgot to install Norton, either by omission or on purpose, because I needed to use access (the program I was having problems with). Low and behold Access worked. I did what I needed to do and enjoyed an extended period of trouble free computing. One needs to remember I was a PC neophyte in the day. Finding the problem was like finding a needle in a hay stack.

You and I had a private convo, which will remain private. TBS you know what I am talking about.

So perhaps I didn't ask the right question when I started this thread. I will put up with this "shit" for as long as I can.

So folks, lets get this thread back on track!

The question is... I am looking, I have to upgrade my operating system. I know my current box, will not be used for this, as it was an office computer with limited capacity. e.g basic graphics card etc... no HDMI capability etc... not to mention that the box require to sit horizontal vice a tower and renders the DVD writer totally useless. Not a biggy (well it is) because I have one that can be used via a USB (slow).

So the question is... Knowing the stability of the OSX platform and architecture, is it worth the price of admission when compared to win 11 as win10 is obsolete:

• I do not want to hear from fanboys (no insult intended);
  • e.g Microsoft or;
  • Mac
• You must be able to have a discussion on merit, not fanfare;
• I use my "Android" phone to make phone calls. I am not a "phone jockey", that does everything from their phones;

Sorry for the long post, it is what it is. As some say on here, if you have nothing of value to add, which has to be supported, please refrain from posting in it.

With all due respect,

Switcher

 

[Switcher56]

Well this thread crashed in a hurry. Suffice to say I got a new box! That is all!!!

 

[Hammerhead]

lol, it has windows in the title