The Real History Of Northern Lights, Written By The Guys Who Did It

[CharlesU Farley]

@CharlesU Farley

can we see your lines please?
i would like to see how they segregated and/or recombined.
and can you talk about the different effects and smells found within each line. thanks

This was the first time all three phenos appeared in the same grow, these are pistilate plants :

I recently posted pic of five of my staminate plants on another thread, can't locate the pic right now and don't have the time or energy to look for it right now, it's getting late.

The link to my website is on my profile and will give you all the info you need, even though it'll take a long time to plow through because it's written to my kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids, not for those curious about my techniques or NL numbers.

There's a thread on here titled "how to get cannabis to do what you want it to do", that will go into much more specific detail and you won't have to plow for multiple _pages_ of Walls 'o Words.

 

[Kimes]

There's a thread on here titled "how to get cannabis to do what you want it to do", that will go into much more specific detail and you won't have to plow for multiple _pages_ of Walls 'o Words.

That was an interesting thread for sure.. so far

 

[endgegner]

As he says, plant the seed!

You can _never_ go wrong doing that.

I rather got them for my fridge, as I am only growing landraces for me medically or grow to breed (and for this I will avoid fems).
Also thinking a bit more, they are rather S1s (if Shanti still has the original NL 5), because they don't have NL 5 as regular seed. So no way that he can feminize the male pollen.
But at some point I will probably grow it or give it to a friend.

 

[Energy Turtle]

This was the first time all three phenos appeared in the same grow, these are pistilate plants :

View attachment 18993904

I recently posted pic of five of my staminate plants on another thread, can't locate the pic right now and don't have the time or energy to look for it right now, it's getting late.

The link to my website is on my profile and will give you all the info you need, even though it'll take a long time to plow through because it's written to my kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids, not for those curious about my techniques or NL numbers.

There's a thread on here titled "how to get cannabis to do what you want it to do", that will go into much more specific detail and you won't have to plow for multiple _pages_ of Walls 'o Words.

I wish my Grandpa had a green thumb like yours!

 

[Dime]

Sensi seeds NL x Doc Atomic NL,still has a good kick to it,never hermies and stinks.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Here's the staminates on one run I did. Pay particular attention to the one on the far right, as it was the keeper for concentrating the TypeII/Indica side of NL. The one on the far left was a typical NL staminate:

These boys reminded me of a post I made concerning modern cannabis "breeding" techniques:


"Visited their website and they're breeding methods would make fucking Frankenstein seem like a nurse's aide. More twisted, sick fuck chemical sexual manipulation that wouldn't even happen in fucking San Francisco."

Sorry, but you just got to have the boys to make the girls happy, so you can produce viable, stable offspring.

 

[Energy Turtle]

There are a lot of young progressive breeders out there putting their female plants through gender affirming care.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

This is the Crux of the situation.

Todd has been pretty integral in the legalization of cannabis in the US. Hate him or love him dude was a Jack herer type. Did a lot of time for the plant. Got multiple clones out to the community. He's never been one to be shady from what I gather. Greg trusts him enough to get the original work out I don't understand the issue. Todd has been super transparent too. Some of those beans made it into CSIs hands too. I guess he's a piece of shit as well.

One person's opinion of the other, _both_ of which received seeds from NL Seattle Greg. This post is from 2020:

Mods, controversial link with a lot of trash talk about Sam/Hz/other shit that don't matter to me but I realize it may be like chumming the Trolls. Shitcan this post if you have to, it's not that important to me, other than the point of NL Seattle Greg's current judgment and releasing numbered seeds to these two individuals.

After Nevil's pasing, Sam weighs in

You know what? You are right about it being technically legal at the time (IIRC). And at the same time you are right about the heavy handed US government. Your language, especially when you get rattled is legitimately hard to follow, in my opinion.

mrnice.nl

But pays your money, and plants the seed, it's all good with Chuck.

 

[Donald Mallard]

that last link reminds me why i dont go to that place anymore ,
its full of conspiracy from folks who clearly don't read and/or comprehend so well ,

and have an axe to grind , continuing that nevil vs sam stuff over and over and over ,
seriously , such a rag of a site these days , its bloody sad to see that stuff written and watch each of them pat each other on the back for being the best at doing character assassination on a fellow stoner and someone who without their contribution, old nevil would never have amounted to much at all ....
why are people like that one wonders ??

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Just so you don't forget the good times there.

The forum is a shell of its former self because the _quality_ of participants, and this is kind of true and almost all cannabis fora I'm aware of, are not of the same caliber of Nevil, Shantibaba, TH, etc. Mu does outstanding job there now, it's just the quality of participants isn't _anywhere_ close to what it used to be.

I have yet to find a cannabis forum with a caliber of participants like Mr Nice in the 2010 to 2014 era. Without a doubt ICM is the best one I found so far, and I appreciate that you mods let me say what I want to say and how I want to say it. Sometimes the best form of education for a Millennial is a good slap upside the head and a visit to Reality Ranch.

Btw Mr. Mallard, absolutely _love _what got you into genetics, it's intellectual curiosity that drives progress forward! How absolutely bizarre I know the color of your eyes. At least back then, people said thanks. I absolutely loath the fact that I was on a self-imposed, internet cannabis forum exile and missed those discussions.

I would have _vehemently_ argued with Nevil over 24/0 lighting schedules and the use of GA3, or any other chemical/hormone to fuck with a cannabis plants sexuality, and most importantly the pump and dump method of producing the maximal amount of buds in the minimalist amount of time. Not to mention using fucking _ruderalis_ in crossings with cannabis, that you expect to get you _high_.

No doubt he would have handed my ass to me but would have been a fun discussion.

So you'll remember the good times, not just the bad. There were good people on that forum, and you were obviously one of 'em:

Smokin Moose
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"The Profundity of it all!

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To Donald Mallard, I stand humbled.

spa_drunk_moose_jef_ss_110908_ssh1.jpg

Today, I stand humbled. In my 35 years of growing pot, today was the first time I smoked premium Nevil's Haze bubble hash, courtesy of a generous Mallard. And of course, courtesy of the master, Nevil!
At first I thought the Mallard may simply have been ruffling feathers and beating his breast, when spruiking off about his turn out of Nevil's Haze...and MBS X Aussie Sativa for that matter.
The Moose took it all in good stride, giving credit where credit is due, but also being the hard task master when it comes to judging medicine.

Puff puff pass...and the rest is fucking history!

Like the spinning vortex that sucks you in after too much booze, my mind went into paroxysms and spun out. Total fucking under-steer. The nose dug in and the arse came round. CRASH AND BURN!!!
There I am with my chin propped on the edge of the garden bed, looking among the steaming pile of vomit for my top set of dentures. Fucking things had come loose when my mouth dried out like cotton wool!...I simply lost suction and they disappeared in a torrent of rice salad and bile. My face was grey and my lips were blue. Sweat dripped from my anguished brow, and drool from my lower lip.

I had been vanquished... and vanquished by a master.

To you Donald Mallard, I take my hat off to you"

Now that's some damn fine writing there, sometimes it's worth plowing through a Wall of Words.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Time to interject some reality here, and my original purpose was only to quote those who were directly involved in the creation of Northern Lights, and Shantibaba ain't one of 'em. However, in doing the deep dive down the rabbit hole, the _essence_ of this guy just keeps on shining through all the _bullshit_ that is so very typical of a cannabis forum.

This came from the thread a poor way to sell seeds in my opinion, which obviously caught my attention and it speaks for itself.

Emphasis added by me for the reading impaired, tl;dr crowd:

shantibaba
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Hi All

well i find some of the apparent knowledge of plants and vague hearsay of stories about Nevil and myself a little weird from some of the members here...and trying to tell gossip once read or apparently heard from reliable sources as truths well it is just weird to hear for me as I have been here the whole time.

It really looks like certain people have their side of a story and that is it....so be it, but please respect the forum and stop with disinformation or opinions or embellishments. If you were not physically there please keep your opinions to yourself as it is just circular discussions otherwise.

While things are as they are and have been at MNS since beginning, we have always been available and online for the growers. Nevil tried to be part of the website for a short time at my request but unfortunately he was not so relaxed with stories nor diplomatic, so we had to end things. However it just does not make logical sense to hear Nevil and I never grew a plant together since we both went from GHSco to begin MNS a long time ago before Nevil went to Australia and under duress. So please keep opinions to oneself when they do not even make sense.

There are certain characters in NL (my edit, the Netherlands not Northern Lights) who know the real stories and i never see them enter the discussions to correct things!

Until today we at MNS and CBD crew continue to breed plants and produce seeds both for ourselves and other companies. I know a lot of facts about people that i never met but it cannot or ever can be verified until i spoke directly with those people...so members please understand these things are now 30+ years old and many people are no longer with us...so concentrate on the seed in front of you and do your best with it...the rest will not nor can effect you as if you even had the real cutting in front of you, you would not even know as you have nothing to compare it with from the apparent time of inception...right!

All the best Sb


shantibaba
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Hi All

Knowledge of historical pedigrees are very important when all parts of regulatory set of rules are verifiable. Cannabis has not nor still is botanically classified in varietal levels...so all the history of this plant is heresay...at best.

Nature created it, not man...we are merely the hand work of passing passengers who put our twist on things we select for nd the reasons we like them. It is like we all have the first clone of the original olive tree but grown in diverse weather, soil, climates, with differing food and water etc...have created so many sub species that all use generic terms to classify but are a long way from original strains. It has been an evolutionary development, rather than scientific one. Now we are moving into science and strict regulatory codes it seems a history is needed to explain how we got here. From now on we keep records but before it was individuals in pockets of the world that brought strains to the level they are...then people develop them as the specifications are revealed and understood and then desired...for certain reasons. All these pocket contributors have a certain history but it gets harder and harder to verify even single facts let alone a story when it is no longer close by.We rely on story tellers and scraps of so called facts...but remember even the bible is written by numerous people stories and someone compiling them. So at best they are nice stories based on facts that will never be verified...
I do think on both sides of this discussion and there are reasons and logic to parts ...but it is simply a person story verse another persons story with few alive from these days ...so it is a perpetual unraveling spiral and possibly like another parable to add to the Cannabible in time....all the best Sb

As the kids used to say, that's a mic drop.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Just so you don't forget the good times there.

The forum is a shell of its former self because the _quality_ of participants, and this is kind of true and almost all cannabis fora I'm aware of, are not of the same caliber of Nevil, Shantibaba, TH, etc. Mu does outstanding job there now, it's just the quality of participants isn't _anywhere_ close to what it used to be.

I have yet to find a cannabis forum with a caliber of participants like Mr Nice in the 2010 to 2014 era. Without a doubt ICM is the best one I found so far, and I appreciate that you mods let me say what I want to say and how I want to say it. Sometimes the best form of education for a Millennial is a good slap upside the head and a visit to Reality Ranch.

Btw Mr. Mallard, absolutely _love _what got you into genetics, it's intellectual curiosity that drives progress forward! How absolutely bizarre I know the color of your eyes. At least back then, people said thanks. I absolutely loath the fact that I was on a self-imposed, internet cannabis forum exile and missed those discussions.

I would have _vehemently_ argued with Nevil over 24/0 lighting schedules and the use of GA3, or any other chemical/hormone to fuck with a cannabis plants sexuality, and most importantly the pump and dump method of producing the maximal amount of buds in the minimalist amount of time. Not to mention using fucking _ruderalis_ in crossings with cannabis, that you expect to get you _high_.

No doubt he would have handed my ass to me but would have been a fun discussion.

So you'll remember the good times, not just the bad. There were good people on that forum, and you were obviously one of 'em:

Smokin Moose
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Dec 17, 2011
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"The Profundity of it all!

Moose.jpg

To Donald Mallard, I stand humbled.

spa_drunk_moose_jef_ss_110908_ssh1.jpg

Today, I stand humbled. In my 35 years of growing pot, today was the first time I smoked premium Nevil's Haze bubble hash, courtesy of a generous Mallard. And of course, courtesy of the master, Nevil!
At first I thought the Mallard may simply have been ruffling feathers and beating his breast, when spruiking off about his turn out of Nevil's Haze...and MBS X Aussie Sativa for that matter.
The Moose took it all in good stride, giving credit where credit is due, but also being the hard task master when it comes to judging medicine.

Puff puff pass...and the rest is fucking history!

Like the spinning vortex that sucks you in after too much booze, my mind went into paroxysms and spun out. Total fucking under-steer. The nose dug in and the arse came round. CRASH AND BURN!!!
There I am with my chin propped on the edge of the garden bed, looking among the steaming pile of vomit for my top set of dentures. Fucking things had come loose when my mouth dried out like cotton wool!...I simply lost suction and they disappeared in a torrent of rice salad and bile. My face was grey and my lips were blue. Sweat dripped from my anguished brow, and drool from my lower lip.

I had been vanquished... and vanquished by a master.

To you Donald Mallard, I take my hat off to you"

Now that's some damn fine writing there, sometimes it's worth plowing through a Wall of Words.

ive wanted to read that post from old moose for some time ,,
it s a beauty , he had a way of saying things that really put you there with him ,
fellows like him are sadly missed these days ..
i dont mind saying that i like your writing style too charles,
you handle yourself well , and have an impressive command of the language ,
and there is no issue with speaking your mind on this forum ,
its encouraged in fact despite what some folks on other forums say about this place ,
and yes im referring to that before mentioned place , hahah ..

cant stay sadly ,, i have an appointment with a buddhist temple ,
it got burned down and im off to help the clean up ,
seems the right thing to do .. thanks for the memories there mate ...

 

[CharlesU Farley]

ive wanted to read that post from old moose for some time ,,
it s a beauty , he had a way of saying things that really put you there with him ,
fellows like him are sadly missed these days ..
i dont mind saying that i like your writing style too charles,
you handle yourself well , and have an impressive command of the language ,
and there is no issue with speaking your mind on this forum ,
its encouraged in fact despite what some folks on other forums say about this place ,
and yes im referring to that before mentioned place , hahah ..

cant stay sadly ,, i have an appointment with a buddhist temple ,
it got burned down and im off to help the clean up ,
seems the right thing to do .. thanks for the memories there mate ...

Got to ask you something official, and since this is a public forum, I just don't do the PM/DM/IM thing. I feel messages on a _public_ forum should be _public_ and not back channel gossip and bullshit. I don't sand bag anybody, so I'm going to ask you all up front, and maybe you can do a little bit of investigation if you don't know the answer right offhand:

Have the two main people who are hawking _specific_ numbers of NL advertised here on ICM before and/or do you anticipate they will in the future?

I don't want to do anything whatsoever to cause Gypsy and/or the organization money. It is vital that you all make money, so you can pay the _massive_ bills that it takes to host this site.

And this is the strictly selfish part of me, I want ICM up and running so when I'm dead and gone my kids can see how I communicated on a cannabis forum. The cussin' ain't going to surprise them at all, they're used to it, but the cannabis info damn sure will.

So, if these two individuals have _not_ seen fit to advertise and participate here on ICM, can I take one out at the knees and just give a little flick upside to the head to the other?

It will not be in this thread of course, but the deeper I dive down this Rabbit Hole, the more photographic evidence I've got that one of them is completely and totally full of feces about how "pure" something is.

Sorry, just had to ask it and I realize how polarizing that type of thread can and probably will be.

Y'all mods be my consigliori's here and advise me what I should do.

Tell me the STFD and STFU and I'll immediately do it.

Y'all have _earned_ my respect by allowing me to say what I've said so far. I'm not known for getting along real good with moderators.

 

[moose eater]

Got to ask you something official, and since this is a public forum, I just don't do the PM/DM/IM thing. I feel messages on a _public_ forum should be _public_ and not back channel gossip and bullshit. I don't sand bag anybody, so I'm going to ask you all up front, and maybe you can do a little bit of investigation if you don't know the answer right offhand:

Have the two main people who are hawking _specific_ numbers of NL advertised here on ICM before and/or do you anticipate they will in the future?

I don't want to do anything whatsoever to cause Gypsy and/or the organization money. It is vital that you all make money, so you can pay the _massive_ bills that it takes to host this site.

And this is the strictly selfish part of me, I want ICM up and running so when I'm dead and gone my kids can see how I communicated on a cannabis forum. The cussin' ain't going to surprise them at all, they're used to it, but the cannabis info damn sure will.

So, if these two individuals have _not_ seen fit to advertise and participate here on ICM, can I take one out at the knees and just give a little flick upside to the head to the other?

It will not be in this thread of course, but the deeper I dive down this Rabbit Hole, the more photographic evidence I've got that one of them is completely and totally full of feces about how "pure" something is.

Sorry, just had to ask it and I realize how polarizing that type of thread can and probably will be.

Y'all mods be my consigliori's here and advise me what I should do.

Tell me the STFD and STFU and I'll immediately do it.

Y'all have _earned_ my respect by allowing me to say what I've said so far. I'm not known for getting along real good with moderators.

Charles, in 1997 I brought back a series of seeds from several shops in Holland, including Dronker's Sensi Seeds in A-dam, and 2 different strains from 2 different shops in Arnhem, where former friends lived.

I scored what was supposed to be N. Lights #5 at a small grow shop in Arnhem back then and didn't grow it more than for one or 2 rounds. But she had notably long, narrow, sativa-like leaves and a tight structure on the stem; scant distance between internodes.

Between my 'excessive love' at that time and her instability, she (as stated) was not in the harem too awful long.

Have you seen any of the legit NL varieties that looked like that when grown in a single-stalk (not topped) configuration?

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Charles, in 1997 I brought back a series of seeds from several shops in Holland, including Dronker's Sensi Seeds in A-dam, and 2 different strains from 2 different shops in Arnhem, where former friends lived.

I scored what was supposed to be N. Lights #5 at a small grow shop in Arnhem back then and didn't grow it more than for one or 2 rounds. But she had notably long, narrow, sativa-like leaves and a tight structure on the stem; scant distance between internodes.

That long, narrow leaf structure I've never seen, except for on the Type I/Sativa variant that I identified and played around with for a little while:

And every time I post this pic, I have to give the environmental conditions, so I don't get watering/fertilizer advice from Millennials, the temp inside the tent when this pic was taken was around 38° F and the relative humidity was 80+ percent as well.

This is the leaf structure on the standard Sensi NL that I haven't worked into a specific Type dominance:

Here's the leaf structure on the Type II /Indica side of things:

Between my 'excessive love' at that time and her instability, she (as stated) was not in the harem too awful long.

We've all been guilty of excessive love! But one thing Sensi's late '90s release of Northern Lights is always giving me is rock, solid stability. I've had one branch of one plant go hermie on me, and that was after a long power outage and 30° temps, with absolutely no light or heat.

Hell for the next grow or two, I did every damn thing I could to try to _induce_ hermies. At the time I was still in the 2 x 5 closet, and I absolutely loved having _guaranteed_ females. Didn't work out for me, couldn't induce it to do shit. So those 20 or 30 c's were my only experience with hermies.

Have you seen any of the legit NL varieties that looked like that when grown in a single-stalk (not topped) configuration?

The closest I get to the single stalk variation is the staminate plant on the far right, in the pic above. I know in the early to mid '70s, Sensi sold NL2 as the base version of Northern Lights and then switched over to the #5 x #2 version that Nevil worked so well. It provided the stability and uniformity for multiple generations, with very little phenotypic variation.

I can definitely tell you what the #1, the so-called "purest" Indica _didn't_ look like, and that's this:

Wrong leaf structure, it's not even indicative of a Type II/Indica _dominant_ plant.

One of my goals in life now, at least on _this_ forum, is to put this NL numbering bullshit to rest. If Nevil couldn't get and or make a seed version of #5, then _nobody_ can. The pure pistilate dominance of his #5 was so strong, he couldn't get it to induce actual pollen that he could use, except for _one_ time. And all those seeds are gone.

People hawking specific numbers of NL haven't actually worked with the plant long enough to even realize what the general phenotypes even look like.

Hope you're not sorry you asked the question. One word/sentence responses are exceedingly rare for me, and are usually comedy related.

Love your music and hope everything is going good for you on the medical side of things!

 

[moose eater]

That long, narrow leaf structure I've never seen except for on the Type I/Sativa variant that I identified:

View attachment 18995358

And every time I post this pic, I have to give the environmental conditions so I don't get watering/fertilizer advice, the 10th inside the tent when this pic was taken was around 38° f and the relative humidity was 80 plus percent as well.

This is the leaf structure on the standard Sensi NL that I haven't been worked into a specific type dominance:

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Here's the leaf structure on the Type II /Indica side of things:

The first pic, much as I described, was her. To a 'T'.

Thanks.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Got to ask you something official, and since this is a public forum, I just don't do the PM/DM/IM thing. I feel messages on a _public_ forum should be _public_ and not back channel gossip and bullshit. I don't sand bag anybody, so I'm going to ask you all up front, and maybe you can do a little bit of investigation if you don't know the answer right offhand:

Have the two main people who are hawking _specific_ numbers of NL advertised here on ICM before and/or do you anticipate they will in the future?

I don't want to do anything whatsoever to cause Gypsy and/or the organization money. It is vital that you all make money, so you can pay the _massive_ bills that it takes to host this site.

And this is the strictly selfish part of me, I want ICM up and running so when I'm dead and gone my kids can see how I communicated on a cannabis forum. The cussin' ain't going to surprise them at all, they're used to it, but the cannabis info damn sure will.

So, if these two individuals have _not_ seen fit to advertise and participate here on ICM, can I take one out at the knees and just give a little flick upside to the head to the other?

It will not be in this thread of course, but the deeper I dive down this Rabbit Hole, the more photographic evidence I've got that one of them is completely and totally full of feces about how "pure" something is.

Sorry, just had to ask it and I realize how polarizing that type of thread can and probably will be.

Y'all mods be my consigliori's here and advise me what I should do.

Tell me the STFD and STFU and I'll immediately do it.

Y'all have _earned_ my respect by allowing me to say what I've said so far. I'm not known for getting along real good with moderators.

no i dont think either party does any or has done any advertising on this forum ,
to my knowledge anyhow ,
I guess in any comments that relate to others , their business , they way they conduct themselves, or how full of feces they are ,
the rules here likely just state you be tactful on how you announce your dislike or distaste of their business ethics or lack of, and dont be too defamatory or inflammatory , argumentative , or combative,
(i say likely re rules because ive never actually sat down and read them , lol )
i havent seen any evidence of any of those things in what ive read ,
and i know other mods have read this also , so as far as i know you are in the clear and may carry on ...

Folks dont have to agree with each other all the time , or even like each other , they are able to state this also on forums , and speak their mind ,
as i said this forum encourages free speech ,
as long as everyone respects one another , and we dont end up with folks slinging feces at one another ..

i had a giggle reading that link u provided earlier to the other forum where someone questioned if eb was in fact sam skunkman , now that really shows you how out of touch some of them are ,, i mean seriously ...

Got to ask you something official, and since this is a public forum, I just don't do the PM/DM/IM thing. I feel messages on a _public_ forum should be _public_ and not back channel gossip and bullshit. I don't sand bag anybody, so I'm going to ask you all up front, and maybe you can do a little bit of investigation if you don't know the answer right offhand:

Have the two main people who are hawking _specific_ numbers of NL advertised here on ICM before and/or do you anticipate they will in the future?

I don't want to do anything whatsoever to cause Gypsy and/or the organization money. It is vital that you all make money, so you can pay the _massive_ bills that it takes to host this site.

And this is the strictly selfish part of me, I want ICM up and running so when I'm dead and gone my kids can see how I communicated on a cannabis forum. The cussin' ain't going to surprise them at all, they're used to it, but the cannabis info damn sure will.

So, if these two individuals have _not_ seen fit to advertise and participate here on ICM, can I take one out at the knees and just give a little flick upside to the head to the other?

It will not be in this thread of course, but the deeper I dive down this Rabbit Hole, the more photographic evidence I've got that one of them is completely and totally full of feces about how "pure" something is.

Sorry, just had to ask it and I realize how polarizing that type of thread can and probably will be.

Y'all mods be my consigliori's here and advise me what I should do.

Tell me the STFD and STFU and I'll immediately do it.

Y'all have _earned_ my respect by allowing me to say what I've said so far. I'm not known for getting along real good with moderators.

 

[Brother Nature]

Sensi seeds NL x Doc Atomic NL,still has a good kick to it,never hermies and stinks.

Doc Atomic.... One of the first times I ever smoked as a teenager in Northern California, we were given an 1/8th of a strain I can't recall, but remember it was bread by a "Doc Atomic". I think it may have been a NL or Blueberry, possibly a cross of either. Man, we had no clue how little you needed to smoke when you had proper weed, think we smoked like half that 1/8th through a bong made using an old apple juice bottle. I do, kind of, recall getting lost on my way home from my friends place and he only lived in the next housing complex over from mine. I also recall it being the first time I ever watched something, it was a skate video, and I could not for the life of me, put together the events going on on that screen, was just things moving around.

It's strange you don't see a lot of mention of Doc Atomic these days, even with the trendr revival of old school breeders/ seed lines.

 

[kro-magnon]

Just so you don't forget the good times there.

The forum is a shell of its former self because the _quality_ of participants, and this is kind of true and almost all cannabis fora I'm aware of, are not of the same caliber of Nevil, Shantibaba, TH, etc. Mu does outstanding job there now, it's just the quality of participants isn't _anywhere_ close to what it used to be.

I have yet to find a cannabis forum with a caliber of participants like Mr Nice in the 2010 to 2014 era. Without a doubt ICM is the best one I found so far, and I appreciate that you mods let me say what I want to say and how I want to say it. Sometimes the best form of education for a Millennial is a good slap upside the head and a visit to Reality Ranch.

Btw Mr. Mallard, absolutely _love _what got you into genetics, it's intellectual curiosity that drives progress forward! How absolutely bizarre I know the color of your eyes. At least back then, people said thanks. I absolutely loath the fact that I was on a self-imposed, internet cannabis forum exile and missed those discussions.

I would have _vehemently_ argued with Nevil over 24/0 lighting schedules and the use of GA3, or any other chemical/hormone to fuck with a cannabis plants sexuality, and most importantly the pump and dump method of producing the maximal amount of buds in the minimalist amount of time. Not to mention using fucking _ruderalis_ in crossings with cannabis, that you expect to get you _high_.

No doubt he would have handed my ass to me but would have been a fun discussion.

So you'll remember the good times, not just the bad. There were good people on that forum, and you were obviously one of 'em:

Smokin Moose
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"The Profundity of it all!

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To Donald Mallard, I stand humbled.

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Today, I stand humbled. In my 35 years of growing pot, today was the first time I smoked premium Nevil's Haze bubble hash, courtesy of a generous Mallard. And of course, courtesy of the master, Nevil!
At first I thought the Mallard may simply have been ruffling feathers and beating his breast, when spruiking off about his turn out of Nevil's Haze...and MBS X Aussie Sativa for that matter.
The Moose took it all in good stride, giving credit where credit is due, but also being the hard task master when it comes to judging medicine.

Puff puff pass...and the rest is fucking history!

Like the spinning vortex that sucks you in after too much booze, my mind went into paroxysms and spun out. Total fucking under-steer. The nose dug in and the arse came round. CRASH AND BURN!!!
There I am with my chin propped on the edge of the garden bed, looking among the steaming pile of vomit for my top set of dentures. Fucking things had come loose when my mouth dried out like cotton wool!...I simply lost suction and they disappeared in a torrent of rice salad and bile. My face was grey and my lips were blue. Sweat dripped from my anguished brow, and drool from my lower lip.

I had been vanquished... and vanquished by a master.

To you Donald Mallard, I take my hat off to you"

Now that's some damn fine writing there, sometimes it's worth plowing through a Wall of Words.

That's an epic description of a devastating high and it's hilarious.

 

[Rgd]

Doc Atomic.... One of the first times I ever smoked as a teenager in Northern California, we were given an 1/8th of a strain I can't recall, but remember it was bread by a "Doc Atomic". I think it may have been a NL or Blueberry, possibly a cross of either. Man, we had no clue how little you needed to smoke when you had proper weed, think we smoked like half that 1/8th through a bong made using an old apple juice bottle. I do, kind of, recall getting lost on my way home from my friends place and he only lived in the next housing complex over from mine. I also recall it being the first time I ever watched something, it was a skate video, and I could not for the life of me, put together the events going on on that screen, was just things moving around.

It's strange you don't see a lot of mention of Doc Atomic these days, even with the trendr revival of old school breeders/ seed lines.

a year or two ago I FINALLY grew out old dr atomic nl’s f2 I was given 20years ago..

they were some of the most unremarkable wlds [ok the MOST unremarkable]

and

yes some hermied..colour me disappointed..


grew out various SSB nl f1’s in 1989..they were remarkable

after hearing the dr atomic talk for almost 20 years.

.it was a historic bring down