Joe Biden Thread

[zachrockbadenof]

Thank you for conceding my point, government schools can't possibly teach kids not to bully, their own means used to gain funding proves that point.

Also, you didn't disappoint. you gave a tired appeal to authority platitude as a substitute for an argument.
Not surprised there.

Society and government are not the same thing. You should stop implying they are.
Society and government cannot be merged; one is voluntary, the other force. They are literally opposing concepts.

The place you claim I want to be, isn't a "place". Where I want to be and am, is I have a better understanding of "reality" than you do. Not trying to insult you either.

You then trailed off into a rationalization about "rules" as if people claiming to be "authority" are able to magically commit bad actions, that any sane society would condemn.
The nature of any action which would be bad for you or I to do, doesn't shift from bad to good simply because government does the same action.

Your failure to consider that, makes me think your indoctrination was effective and your reality is shaped by what you were told, rather than what is easy to observe.

i need some of the weed u guys are smoking....

 

[Captain Red Eye]

public schools are purposely underfunded and left in the dust so people will get mad and pull their kids and put them in charter and private schools or homeschool. that's what all this trans, drag, woke, crt, dei shit is about too.

it's the classic right wing playbook. they do it with the USPS too. they do it in other countries as well by deliberately underfunding the health care system so they can point to how inefficient it is and how it should be privatized.

This is another example of you proving that your morality is pretty much the same as a thief's.,

Please tell me how and why the Prussian model of schools came about . Can you?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i need some of the weed u guys are smoking....

You might.

Although needing fine herb is not the same thing as making an argument that can withstand scrutiny.

 

[VinScentVanGro]

what i asked about signing up for was "and a moms right to not die".

at the end of THIS line above. that was as limp an attempt to "make a point" as i have ever seen, you lying cocksucker!

lol. Alright. We were confused by your comment. Even @nepalnt21 thought that’s what you were asking, thats why he replied with a link to the church of satan.

But still you have to find it hilarious ironic to say “they would follow satan to get power” in a dialog with a literal satan follower with a picture of satan as his avatar.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

One problem with this is that by the time they go out of business, the students will have suffered the loss. I agree that the public school system has a lot of problems, many of them from schools which are over populated but poor curricula are to blame for poor education; even worse is home schooling curriculums established by religious groups.

In my opinion curricula should be established by AI (computer) customized to individual learning groups and learning groups should be as small as possible for the teachers available. Different people learn in different ways. Some can learn by listening and observing; some learn by reading; some learn by watching (e.g. video or human activity); some can only learn by doing (etc). When I was teaching grades 4 to 7, I would take aside small groups of kids of both advanced and behind, the material to be learned. By allowing them to naturally pair (or trio) up within their learning styles, they helped each other to learn. Some of the behind kids were better thinkers/creators.

Given the right goals, AI should be able to give teachers a leg up with a standard but customized curriculum. This would hypothetically reduce management staff and relieve teachers of excessive paperwork. I believe there would be better opportunities for learning the solid stuff for skill development and critical thinking. If every parent group in every county has the right to set the educational curriculum some kids will learn and others not so much.

Admittedly, this is pretty radical but something's gotta change.

My primary objection isn't the curricula. Although most of it is ineffective.

It is that two sets of morality must be employed for compulsory government schools to exist.

The first set of morality is the one applied to you and I.
It's pretty well understood, we don't have the right to have an education service which forces unwilling "customers" to pay us. We don't have the right to have any kind of business model like that for other services either. Most people would tell us to fuck off, if we sent them a bill under those circumstances.

The second set of morality used, says, some other "special people" do have that right. Government schools for instance.

This type of behavior is more easily defined as believing in two opposing things at once, which is not a feature of actual education and critical thinking, it's a feature of indoctrination.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

all part of that whole starve the beast thing they been doin for decades and decades, seems to me

If you want to have a beast, you should be the one to feed the beast.

Do you go out and get a new puppy and then tell all your neighbors they are on the hook for feeding the beast and cleaning up it's feces?

Also, government schools, do you know the origins and the original intentions of them ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

if the bathroom situations need to be figured out, that's above my pay level... same with the semantics battle.

are you saying trans people simply don't exist? gender dysphoria isn't a mental disorder anymore, it's a fantasy?

let's flagellate it out of them in conversion "therapy", that's your position, isn't it? or what is your position?

I’m saying boys don’t menstruate. Very simple

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I’m saying boys don’t menstruate. Very simple

That makes sense, they don't,

Girls that call themselves boys and want others to believe they are boys, but still have girl plumbing, do menstruate. Therein lies the problem.

There's an easy solution. Get rid of government schools, they're basically idiot factories and use forcible compulsion to gain revenue. Coincidentally, that's the business model of thieves.

If somebody wants to start their own school they can incur the cost of tampons in boys bathrooms and pass it on to any willing customers dumb enough to send their kid to that school.

If somebody else has a different take and doesn't supply tampons, willing customers that prefer that can send their kids to a school like that.

This noncompulsory and free choice business model is used for grocery stores, gas stations, and practically any other kind of service that can be named. So we know that model works.

 

[nepalnt21]

what's the real world solution to the fact that trans people exist?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

what's the real world solution to the fact that trans people exist?

Leave them alone as long as they leave you alone.
That's MY solution to many problems.

As far as why some exist, that's a different story. I think it can be traced to what they ingest. both literally and figuratively.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

That makes sense, they don't,

Girls that call themselves boys and want others to believe they are boys, but still have girl plumbing, do menstruate. Therein lies the problem.

There's an easy solution. Get rid of government schools, they're basically idiot factories and use forcible compulsion to gain revenue. Coincidentally, that's the business model of thieves.

If somebody wants to start their own school they can incur the cost of tampons in boys bathrooms and pass it on to any willing customers dumb enough to send their kid to that school.

If somebody else has a different take and doesn't supply tampons, willing customers that prefer that can send their kids to a school like that.

This noncompulsory and free choice business model is used for grocery stores, gas stations, and practically any other kind of service that can be named. So we know that model works.

The solution is to stop accepting illogical fallacies as if they are fact.

As for schools. How do you suggest poor people give there kids an education if we eliminate public schools ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

what's the real world solution to the fact that trans people exist?

Stop trying to make people accept your false beliefs and leave people alone. That simple

 

[Captain Red Eye]

The solution is to stop accepting illogical fallacies as if they are fact.

As for schools. How do you suggest poor people give there kids an education if we eliminate public schools ?

You use the terms "public schools and education" as if it is a foregone conclusion that is what happens.

I don't know if you will fully read either of the things I'm going post below but they can give you some insight if you care to have this discussion.

Statist claim: The Poor Won't Be Educated​

Fallacy:​

In a free society, where all schools are private, how will poor children be educated?

Response:​

The best response I have seen from this is from Practical Anarchy, which begins by pointing out:

The great lie of the statist society is that the ignorant are educated, when in fact they are made even more ignorant.

And then, the response examines whether or not a democracy with public education is reflective of the general (or majority) will or not, examines both cases, and finds a free society to be superior in either case.

Whenever I talk about getting rid of public schools, the response inevitably comes back – automatically, it would seem, just like any other good propaganda – that it would be terrible, because poor children would not be educated.

A person will raise this objection with an absolutely straight face, as if he is the only person in the world who cares about the education of poor children. I know that this is the result of pure indoctrination, because it is so illogical.
If we accept the premise that very few people care about the education of the poor, then we should be utterly opposed to majority-rule democracy, for the obvious reason that if only a tiny minority of people care about the education of the poor, then there will never be enough of them to influence a democracy, and thus the poor will never be educated.
However, those who approve of democracy and accept that democracy will provide the poor with education inevitably accept that a significant majority of people care enough about the poor to agitate for a political solution, and pay the taxes that fund public education.
Thus, any democrat who cares about the poor automatically accepts the reality that a significant majority of people are both willing and able to help and fund the education of the poor.
If people are willing to agitate for and pay the taxes to support a State-run solution to the problem of education, then the State solution is a mere reflection of their desires and willingness to sacrifice their own self-interest for the sake of educating the poor.
If I pay for a cure for an ailment that I have, and I find out that that cure actually makes me worse, do I give up on trying to find a cure? Of course not. It was my desire to find a cure that drove me to the false solution in the first place – when I accept that that solution is false, I am then free to pursue another solution. (In fact, until I accept that my first “cure” actually makes me worse, I will continue to waste my time and resources.)
The democratic “solution” to the problem of educating the poor is the existence of public schools – if we get rid of that solution, then the majority’s desire to help educate the poor will simply take on another form – and a far more effective form, that much is guaranteed.
“Ah,” say the democrats, “but without being forced to pay for public schools, no one will surrender the money to voluntarily fund the education of poor children.”
Well, this is only an admission that democracy is a complete and total lie – that public schools do not represent the will of the majority, but rather the whims of a violent minority. Thus votes do not matter at all, and are not counted, and do not influence public policy in the least, and thus we should get rid of this ridiculous overhead of democracy and get right back to a good old Platonic system of minority dictatorship.
This proposal, of course, is greeted with outright horror, and protestations that democracy must be kept because it is the best system, because public policy does reflect the will of the majority.
In which case we need have no fear that the poor will not be educated in a free society, since the majority of people very much want that to happen anyway.

Statist claim: Only the government can do X.​

Fallacy:​

If the government is not doing something about a problem, then nothing can be done about it. Only the government can solve society's problems.

Response:​

Virtually every problem can be handled better and more morally by voluntary action than by government aggression. Most statists are unaware of how the issues have been addressed historically without State intervention. Money, law enforcement, courts, benevolence for the poor, health care, and yes building the roads has all been done by various societies before the modern State captured and monopolized these services. [HB]

This is called the Fallacy of Government Solipotence, or alternatively the Barefoot Fallacy.

"If government didn't exercise control over the manufacture, distribution, price and sale of shoes we would all go barefoot!"

If "shoes" doesn't suit you, just substitute "police" or "fire protection" or "mail delivery" or anything else the government claims to provide. Nothing the government claims to provide cannot be provided in a more humane, just, and economical manner by free associations of individual people.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You use the terms "public schools and education" as if it is a foregone conclusion that is what happens.

I don't know if you will fully read either of the things I'm going post below but they can give you some insight if you care to have this discussion.

Statist claim: The Poor Won't Be Educated​

Fallacy:​

In a free society, where all schools are private, how will poor children be educated?

Response:​

The best response I have seen from this is from Practical Anarchy, which begins by pointing out:


And then, the response examines whether or not a democracy with public education is reflective of the general (or majority) will or not, examines both cases, and finds a free society to be superior in either case.

Statist claim: Only the government can do X.​

Fallacy:​

If the government is not doing something about a problem, then nothing can be done about it. Only the government can solve society's problems.

Response:​

Virtually every problem can be handled better and more morally by voluntary action than by government aggression. Most statists are unaware of how the issues have been addressed historically without State intervention. Money, law enforcement, courts, benevolence for the poor, health care, and yes building the roads has all been done by various societies before the modern State captured and monopolized these services. [HB]

This is called the Fallacy of Government Solipotence, or alternatively the Barefoot Fallacy.


If "shoes" doesn't suit you, just substitute "police" or "fire protection" or "mail delivery" or anything else the government claims to provide. Nothing the government claims to provide cannot be provided in a more humane, just, and economical manner by free associations of individual people.

Now that i wasted 5 minutes reading something that didn’t answer my question, how about we try again in your own words ?

In reality, how will poor people afford an education without replying on the kindness of people to pay their way ? You do this every time dude lol

 

[nepalnt21]

Stop trying to make people accept your false beliefs and leave people alone. That simple

so trans people don't exist?

is that your final answer?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

so trans people don't exist?

is that your final answer?

Who said that ? Very dramatic aren’t you?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Now that i wasted 5 minutes reading something that didn’t answer my question, how about we try again in your own words ?

In reality, how will poor people afford an education without replying on the kindness of people to pay their way ? You do this every time dude lol

Yes, I do that a lot. Just doing my job.

First off, you didn't actually read and comprehend all of it, or you would have extrapolated some answers from the reading. Sometimes knowing what not to do, opens the mind to possibilities of what could and should be done.

One possible answer is the morality answer. It fails to directly address your question but should give you something to think about.

How will ugly guys get laid if they're not allowed to violate the consent of women?

Another thing to consider...

Do you really think what goes on in government schools can be called an education? You've been arguing about tampons in boys bathrooms and surely must realize those schools are idiot factories meant to indoctrinate rather than educate people. Do you willingly fund that?

Do you know how the government school system came about and where it came from? What the intended purpose actually was?

Something else to consider you may have missed...

If there are enough people that value education, even the shitty so-called education government schools provide...what would prevent those same people from donating to ensure poor people can go to a school if they weren't forcibly funded to begin with?

Most private ventures are more efficient with money than government ventures. Since people already are forced to pay for inefficient government schools they are disincentivized to help other people under the present forced funding model. "Why should I, the fuckers already tax the shit out of me"?

Removing forcible funding and government schools from the equation and it's very likely those who value education would have more money to help poor kids on a voluntary basis.

Private basic education would be cheaper in a competitive model, they'd even get to keep some of the left over money for themselves that wasn't taken by force to waste on government inefficiencies versus free market competitive efficiencies. Win-win.


Also, when you subsidize people to an extreme, it serves as a disincentive to success and when you subsidize something it grows rather than gets solved.

Do you give your children an allowance if they don't do any of the chores they agreed to do for the allowance? Even if a little kid does something and you have to go behind him later to correct it, children need to learn that nobody owes them everything in life. Poor kids need to learn this too. lest they remain dependent on others for the rest of their life.

Much to my relief, my grandson was taken out of government schools during the scamdemic.
He learned to read at home and by using a computer. Once a person knows how to read and how to think, self-education doors for those so inclined open up. When he returned to school. after not being in school for a couple years he was reading at a higher level than masked kids his age that remained in schools. Not surprised.

He did not return to government schools though. Despite his parents not making a lot of money they budget to send him to a school that will give him a far better education. and a better value system. His mom cleans an affiliated school and that effort gets his tuition lowered.



Again, I ask do you know the origins of the government school system used in the USA and what the intended purpose was / is?

 

[Hiddenjems]

some people can't afford your menstruation tax

They could help more females by not wasting money putting tampons in the boys room.

 

[Hiddenjems]

what's the real world solution to the fact that trans people exist?

No human that produced viable sperm has ever transitioned to a human that produced viable eggs and birthed a child.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Yes, I do that a lot. Just doing my job.

First off, you didn't actually read and comprehend all of it, or you would have extrapolated some answers from the reading. Sometimes knowing what not to do, opens the mind to possibilities of what could and should be done.

One possible answer is the morality answer. It fails to directly address your question but should give you something to think about.

How will ugly guys get laid if they're not allowed to violate the consent of women?

Another thing to consider...

Do you really think what goes on in government schools can be called an education? You've been arguing about tampons in boys bathrooms and surely must realize those schools are idiot factories meant to indoctrinate rather than educate people. Do you willingly fund that?

Do you know how the government school system came about and where it came from? What the intended purpose actually was?

Something else to consider you may have missed...

If there are enough people that value education, even the shitty so-called education government schools provide...what would prevent those same people from donating to ensure poor people can go to a school if they weren't forcibly funded to begin with?

Most private ventures are more efficient with money than government ventures. Since people already are forced to pay for inefficient government schools they are disincentivized to help other people under the present forced funding model. "Why should I, the fuckers already tax the shit out of me"?

Removing forcible funding and government schools from the equation and it's very likely those who value education would have more money to help poor kids on a voluntary basis.

Private basic education would be cheaper in a competitive model, they'd even get to keep some of the left over money for themselves that wasn't taken by force to waste on government inefficiencies versus free market competitive efficiencies. Win-win.


Also, when you subsidize people to an extreme, it serves as a disincentive to success and when you subsidize something it grows rather than gets solved.

Do you give your children an allowance if they don't do any of the chores they agreed to do for the allowance? Even if a little kid does something and you have to go behind him later to correct it, children need to learn that nobody owes them everything in life. Poor kids need to learn this too. lest they remain dependent on others for the rest of their life.

Much to my relief, my grandson was taken out of government schools during the scamdemic.
He learned to read at home and by using a computer. Once a person knows how to read and how to think, self-education doors for those so inclined open up. When he returned to school. after not being in school for a couple years he was reading at a higher level than masked kids his age that remained in schools. Not surprised.

He did not return to government schools though. Despite his parents not making a lot of money they budget to send him to a school that will give him a far better education. and a better value system. His mom cleans an affiliated school and that effort gets his tuition lowered.



Again, I ask do you know the origins of the government school system used in the USA and what the intended purpose was / is?

I know it’s just a tactic because you can’t simply explain your idea. His parents budget to send him to school ? You’re really out of touch if you think people in the projects can make a tuition budget.