crimsonecho
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never used clay to root cuttings what kind of clay?
honey cloning
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OleReynard
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Probably talking clay balls
crimsonecho
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water the plants a day before, prepare plastic cups with straight tap water, cut and place in the cups until its time to transfer into cloning tray. when ready dip the bottoms in honey, transplant. close the dome with vents halfway open the first day. second day open the vents all the way and air out for 5 mins. second day 10 third day 15 and move up to 30mins a day incrementally.
thats my procedure. the room the trays are in is at 30-35% rh and pretty clean. 2 24w t5ho grow spectrum floros hanging 25cm above the trays.
crimsonecho
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hahhaha ok then i was like clay is so dense how is that gonna work lol
goingrey
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Moler clay. Very popular with orchid and bonsai people. Seramis is a well-known brand. I use it as a growing medium in general not for rooting cuttings specifically, but cuttings do root well in it.
OleReynard
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You mean molding clay or the clay balls like they use for hydro
crimsonecho
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thats nice i can add that to my organic mixes in the future
goingrey
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It works very well.
goingrey
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Neither. It looks like this:
Like a red "perlite" but with better moisture retention.
With many excess males a year i have always used them for comparisons and every twisted experiment you can imagine without wasteing the girls
Trialed honey dipped clones in compost and perlite a decade ago with poor results , honey in the bubbler promoted fungus.
Side by side with the same clone and done more than once so confident in my results.
I assumed that honey contained fungicides but it seems to actually work as a dessicant.
From the link
And a pH of 4 to 5 seems low compared to optimum bubbler pH.
Trialed honey dipped clones in compost and perlite a decade ago with poor results , honey in the bubbler promoted fungus.
Side by side with the same clone and done more than once so confident in my results.
I assumed that honey contained fungicides but it seems to actually work as a dessicant.
From the link
If this is correct a thick layer of honey may dry out cells and inhibit water transport stopping the rooting process , which is consistent with my own observation.
And a pH of 4 to 5 seems low compared to optimum bubbler pH.
farmerfischer
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crimsonecho
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sad to hear it didnt work for you i also wouldnt use it in bubble cloner.
i love his monster sativas in tiny pots. legend.
crimsonecho
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i just dont understand how we have such different results. how is you cloning game usually? good %?
goingrey
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I don't do it that often but usually they root when I do. But anyway in this case I literally took similar cuttings from the exact same plant at the same time and then planted them in the same container, only difference was the dip so if it was down to my technique the non-dipped clones should have suffered the same fate.
Maybe the kind of honey makes a difference. As this is a raw/unheated honey the shelf life has likely been extended with desiccants lowering the water content below the needs microbial activity. Possibly it then sucks moisture from the cutting. Just a theory, could also be a case of that infant botulism.
Or just chance.
crimsonecho
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are you using raw honey? didnt know that. i’m not sure if there is a causality between clone failure and raw honey but i also would guess bees just drag so much stuff on their body like spores and microbes such as botulinum. maybe raw honey also has some other microbes that kills your cuts. just spitballing here.I don't do it that often but usually they root when I do. But anyway in this case I literally took similar cuttings from the exact same plant at the same time and then planted them in the same container, only difference was the dip so if it was down to my technique the non-dipped clones should have suffered the same fate.
Maybe the kind of honey makes a difference. As this is a raw/unheated honey the shelf life has likely been extended with desiccants lowering the water content below the needs microbial activity. Possibly it then sucks moisture from the cutting. Just a theory, could also be a case of that infant botulism.
anyway i didnt ask your % to suggest you are doing something wrong i was gonna say if you already have a high success rate you obviously dont need honey haha
its really a shame that you didnt see the same improvement i saw. maybe give it another go with some regular ass pasteurized pine honey?
goingrey
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Hehe so the "infant botulism" then..
Yeah I've never felt the need for any kind of rooting products for cuttings because usually they root well and if they don't maybe it wasn't something I want to keep around anyway, better be super special to be worth dealing with poor rooting, but then again that cockyness made me lose my best mother plant a couple years back (the only one I kept around for a longer time). It was a really eager rooter so I took a cut and got rid of the rootbound mom being sure the cut would make it... didn't. Oh well.
Anyway just trying this honey thing out for fun because why not and there was a thread about it.
Maybe I'll give it a try after I have eaten the pot of this raw honey hehe. On the back burner for now.
