You have any clear pics of these signs ( veg pics) you talk about that everyone has so we can spot it easier, or any pics you see online that have it.No...I was saying that evidence now suggests, that if one revegged a plant, for taking cuttings to keep the line going, if the plant had viroid, which a fair majority of plants out there do whether you believe it or not, then one would be selecting for a high viroid load off the bat. The primary and initial negative effect that the viroid has on the plant, is inhibition of hormone production, primarily IAA, the hormone that makes a shoot, shoot and makes apical dominant growth, and IBA, the rooting hormone. That is why before you see a loss of quality, before viroid loads get high, if one notices the subtle changes, the main one is the lowered rooting, and lowered shooting, less roots mean less bud mass also so before loss of quality you see loss of yield but also one would see a loss of vigor attempting to reveg, and one would almost ensure that the clones would be high load of the bat, if the parent plant was infected but had low load of infection..it is what it is..it is science..I am just repeating what scientific study has shown us.
IAA gets metabolized into IBA, and visa versa, this is well known.. though loss, of course, of the conversion, and the two hormones are intimately related. When flowering is initiated, the hormone profile of the weed changes dramatically, rooting slows down, and basically stops by week 3 for most hybrids, and also the shooting and upward growth stops, and the plant starts producing only flowers. IAA and IBA production has ended by second week flowering I'd guess and you are seeing the residual effects of the going round from tips to tips of tops to roots round and round until its all broken down, nothing more being produced at that stage.
Now when one reveg's a plant, one must get it to exit its natural stage of death, and get its hormones going again that it hasn't gotten going in 2 months. That is a stressful cycle for the plant but given time it will begin to wake up and get going. Now...if and when there is another factor involved like hpvld, then the momentum of getting going again and getting into the swing of things again takes a lot longer and becomes a lot more hit and miss as the hormones you need the plant to make to get going again are the first thing hit by viroid, and in addition, the lower popcorn buds where one would typically reveg from, are specifically the sites on even a tolerant plant where flowering tops would test negative (this was shown in lab by Medical Genomics' study that I brought up before), even on one of those plants, it was almost guaranteed to have a decent viroid load in the popcorn bud that went post term. When and if you so watch that video on that talk/study, you will remember this..put 2 and 2 together..viroid and revegging, once you understand how widespread viroid is, are intrinsically connected. To try come up with conclusions, looking at ones attempts and experiments, without taking viroid into account, is wasting your time.
If one has revegged a plant and its leaves continue to grow 3 blades long after the clone has been cut and grown out, then it is obvious that something is affecting the hormones of the plant. If that plant was taken back to its embryonic state and cleaned up in a lab, and and you grew it out, it would grow out to normal form once hormone production had come right. The reveg plant should do just the same but quicker, unless there is something you are not taking into account affecting hormones. In my experience, the most common thing in weed in this day and age that primarily affects hormone production is hplvd infection. So once again one can put 2 and 2 together. It is not the cause per se, but it is a likely to be cause.
Anyways, I took the time and made the effort to go and take pics, and write all these explanations up for you, not for you actually, but for you and the community...I feel that this is that important, I haven't posted much in the last two years, nevermind put up pics, I am WAY too busy growing tons of weed. If I wasnt though, I would probably be in the same boat as most here..I'm trying to let folks know, the boat, she is heading towards to rocks. Personally, me and my team have already changed boats and are on a different course to what we were on, you can carry on heading for the rocks if you like, it's a free world, but I will sleep better at night knowing I warned anyone who was prepared to listen.
I mean just go to seeds here now..their landing page cover picture..that plant is clearly infected just by the eye LOL..that already means high viroid load. That is how widespread it is. Once ones eye is trained..look at most breeder pics on any site, you can't not see it once your eye is trained in. It is in most stuff, obvious to those who've seen enough of it, oblvious those who haven't. You dont even need to see much either of it, most have only seen stuff growing with it, just need to see the full spectrum. Most have never seen truly clean, unless they have sourced actually clean stuff and maintain proper biosecurity, so hence cannot compare. I have shown mates of mine in pics, explained, and they after saw it everywhere in their grows, testing currently, and yup its in everything. I've shown mates of mine the plants themselves and they after are like fuck bra, I've always just grown with this...them only beginning to grow within the last 2 decades..
If one doesnt believe this is completely widespread, one is head in the sand ostrich style.
My friend in maine USA says everyone has hlvd these days , all clone spots everyone.
He says everyone is going back to seed as all clone vendors have it.
I don't take in clones much, very rarely but always expect bugs/disease and always do a run away from my mothers to test it out.
Many of the old famous clones clearly have viruses , ECSD defo having it after going from 1 of the best strains ever a decade plus ago to 99% of people's mediocre.
I used to think it was the broadmite that ruined the ECSD clone that 99% of people run these days , lost 90% of its Funk. Don't get me wrong some people still have a good ECSD cut but most have a seriously weak diluted ECSD these days