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Zamaldelica : What pheno is that ?

xinox

Member
Hello all,
Some years ago (end of 2012) i grew some Zamaldelica and Panama. At this time it was the first batch of Zamaldelica and i got 8 female. All grow organically, of course :laughing:

They got almost no growth and some stayed pretty short, with one bud structure and high yield. Other stretch more but keep the "tower structure" without extra branching.
All of these pheno have the same flowering time, if i remember i cut them at nearly 12 week, and have really the same "carrot" taste with little variation.

Except one plant :) This one was very branchy and stretch like hell, in fact she never really stop growing, finishing at more than 2.5 meter, very long inter-node, slim big leaf. It's a chance she had all the space she want to finish flowering, because i had to curve her like hell in my box. Funny thing, her's stems were so elastic, you can almost made a node with them.

She start flowering when the other have fine ball of pistil, compared to the panama that were covered in trichome :) I cut her at 17 week, but she could have been for more easily, producing bud that look more cola type compare to other Zamal.
For the taste, she was the only real variation i found in my zamaldelica, you could recognized the "carrot" influence of the line, but more fresh/floral and sweet.

Also the effect was the best i ever had, and i start to have tried several other Sativa : Malawi, Panama, Tikal, Congo, Colombian Mango, original Neville's Haze.
I only smoke at the vaporizer (aromed at this time, now with herborizer) and her effect could be overpowering if you smoke her too hard, even for the heavy smokers use to the vaporizer.
The effect was very clear to me, far more than panama, but very psychedelic and social, for me the best you can find with the sativa. It wasn't euphoric, neither heart racing/speedy at all (i hate this kind of effect). In fact when you just smoke it, you feel a powerful psychedelic wave of energy in your body and head, but it stay so clean... enough to not alter your abilities to do things. It was very trippy, so if you smoke her alone you could go sooooo deep in your thought, but smoke it with friends and you stay in the social mood, . She was also very appreciate by my friends, who said after trying it "what was that thing you put in the vaporizer" :biggrin:

Unfortunately i couldn't keep the clone, and some years after it stay a big regret for me. I want to find again this kind of thing, so i start this topic to get advice, what is the pheno of this plant ? For me it's a tropical long flowering thai / zamal pheno ?

I only have some photo of early flowering, i hope it is enough so you can tell me more.

https://goo.gl/photos/r1nUm992esXg7FyTA
 
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bringyalungs

nice pics man, nice lady, there are lots of pics on zamaldelica you can compare to, dubi should be thru soon, he can let you know....it would be good however if there was like some catalog of phenos for each strain. i think we need to start taking more data from these ladies...
 

xinox

Member
nice pics man, nice lady, there are lots of pics on zamaldelica you can compare to, dubi should be thru soon, he can let you know....it would be good however if there was like some catalog of phenos for each strain. i think we need to start taking more data from these ladies...

Thank you. As a bonus i will also post my other photos of this run, i had some nice pheno, but this long flowering lady really had something more than the others.

One curiosity of this run was also a strange auto flowering male. It was very short intenode, shorter than indica (!) with medium leef, and was very precocious. He was full of flower at one week of flowering. I made some cross between this male and the panama of this run, so i get a lot of these seeds and i still don't know what to do with it :biggrin: I grew some two years ago, it was this male x green panama with citric taste, the result was a very short and productive sativa with great orange taste. I think i should have some photo that i will also post.
 
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not real geroi

I made some cross between this male and the panama of this run, so i get a lot of these seeds and i still don't know what to do with it :biggrin: .

really? that af male was from zamaldelica ? you can send me some seeds if you want , Im just searching for interesting af :) Ive had some autohazes from lbh , was interesting in terms of taste - no skunky just fresh fruit , all loved it ..

about the plant - its probably thai leaning , maybe more or less mixed with zamal influence .. what i see from pictures, some similar crazy stretching Ive had from chocolope for example ,,, thai have more floral and sweet aroma (what ive experienced from destroyer) and bit more "airy" buds ... so imo more thai dominant ... love the effects like you said exactly - no super speedy paranoia like thai can do :D more clear and also psychedelic
 

xinox

Member
Yes it is Zamaldelica "semi auto-flowering" male x 4 different panama, both red and green pheno. I still have a lot of these seeds so this is not a problem to share.

I am pretty sure this male was auto-flowering, it show flower not even one week of 12/12, so he probably start flowering before in veg.

I am uploading some photo, it will show you the male, some of the panama's mother and the cross itself.

I think this male was a nice choice, as i was surprise with the quality of the only seed it tried. I only grew one seed "to see" and it was a high quality female that show more of the zamal side, but with a really nice taste of orange, short, productive and rock hard bud. However she doesn't show the af trait of the father, but other seeds will.

I gave these seeds to some friends and they get af trait. Take care however, as you probably know this "semi auto-flowering trait" is very different from what you get with standard ruderalis hybrid, here it's a trait from tropical sativa, i am not sure what a cross will do. Dubi surely explain you better than me.
 

xinox

Member
As promised, some more pics. I'm pretty sure i already post them some years ago in the Zamaldelica topic, but i'm not sure they still accessible.

Anyway :

Zamaldelica male :
https://goo.gl/photos/c6ujfYdzTDzGM2qS8
As you figure, in the first pics, the male was the smallest. I found it pretty strange for a Zamaldelica.

This male x a green pheno of panama :
https://goo.gl/photos/NS4M9yeiD5yUYQJ8A

Some photo of my Zamaldelica / Panama run, at flo +51 :
https://goo.gl/photos/P2dtGXQ4rJCfBycK6

Harvest :
https://goo.gl/photos/RVhF2pYhUF7tx8Kn9
The first are the panama (red and then green), their are also the most resinous.

Some photo of the run i do next where i grew the ZxP cross. Here some Orient Express :
https://goo.gl/photos/wbobGrdiZevjxSK98

And also a Bubblegum "slard cut" that a friend gave me. This thing stink :joint:
https://goo.gl/photos/HWX9PiVgKqT2nQBZ6

This run was a nightmare, i get some problem resulting in very low yield. Only the Bubblegum and the ZxP cross finish decently.

Hope you like the photo. :tiphat:
 

timmur

Well-known member
Veteran
I seem to remember Waldgeist posting about a Zam pheno (I think) that he called the kraken. It was very similar to the pheno in your pics and it seems like the effect was similar. Maybe search and see if you can find his thread?
 
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not real geroi

i was surprise with the quality of the only seed it tried. I only grew one seed "to see" and it was a high quality female that show more of the zamal side
two times just only from 2fem seeds (from selected reversed best mothers ace had) Ive had the best plants from 8years growing, so I know the quality is not choice of xxx seeds :)

thank you for sharing :thank you:
 

xinox

Member
I seem to remember Waldgeist posting about a Zam pheno (I think) that he called the kraken. It was very similar to the pheno in your pics and it seems like the effect was similar. Maybe search and see if you can find his thread?

Hello,
Thank you for the idea, i think i found what you say :

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=280913&highlight=kraken&page=35

Indeed his pheno have a lot similarity. However the branching and the shape of flower remind me a lot one of my other pheno :
https://goo.gl/photos/uL1k5LK6rD6yGuca6

The pheno i'm looking for have her shape of flower looking less wild, and she seems a lot longer to flower too.

It's technique of selection is interesting, i think i will do something similar to make a huge selection if i get again some seeds of zamaledlica.

For now i have 7 female Tikal freebie outdoor that grew pretty vigorously. I grew them in pure coco, 80 litter smart pot, and a lot of organic nutrient. Right now they are at 3 meter and i was very surprise by her vigor. I will of course make a selection and keep the one i like, but i don't think i will find a similar quality of effect with the Tikal line compare to that zamal i liked that much. I will also post some photo in the tikal topic, hoping to get some id with the different pheno i get :biggrin:

two times just only from 2fem seeds (from selected reversed best mothers ace had) Ive had the best plants from 8years growing, so I know the quality is not choice of xxx seeds :)

thank you for sharing :thank you:

My pleasure, let me know if you want some seeds, it will be hard for me to grow all of them :biggrin:
 

dubi

ACE Seeds Breeder
Vendor
Veteran
Hi xinox,

Thanks for sharing your Zamaldelica experience with us :)
I'm glad you rate Zamaldelica among the best sativas you have had.

The special pheno you want to identify is without any doubt a Zamal/Thai pheno.
Very special trippy and accelerated effects can be found in this pheno.

The Panama x Zamaldelica cross looks very interesting, the flower structure seems to be Panama dominant. How do you rate the Panama x Zamaldelica cross ? Did you find it better than straight Zamaldelica or straight Panama ? I also made some Panama x Zamaldelica regular seeds using a Panama elite F10 pollinated by Zamaldelica males from the original outcross although i haven't had the time to test them yet.

It will be a pleasure to see your outdoor Tikals and help you to identify the phenos.
Best regards!
 
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