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Your boy Richard Lee is at it again!

Travieso

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Richard Lee's plan. What do you think? Wake up people!


Oakland City Council Looking to Close Patient Gardens
This is what happens when you buy city council members, you can convince them to grant you a legal monopoly of the medical and recreational cannabis market by outlawing personal medical gardens under the pretense of public safety and allow 4 giant commercial gardens to come in, set their own prices and force dispensaries city wide to choose from one of these 4 gardens. Im guessing rich lee will own at least 2 of them.

If Oakland city council members are worried about public safety, they might want to consider their own safety first. Destroying the livelihoods of thousands of Oaklands most well connected people will have its consequences. If you want to open a 100,000sqft warehouse in Oakland in an attempt to monopolize the medical or recreational pot market, buy fire insurance.

If your a grower in Cali and support prop 19 read this and let me know how you feel....

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New ordinance in Oakland would legalize big industrial pot farms
July 13, 2010 | Michael Montgomery

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The city of Oakland could become home to some of the world’s largest government-licensed marijuana-growing operations, with permits to distribute products around the state, according to a draft ordinance released yesterday.

The city’s public safety committee meets tonight to consider the plan to permit four industrial-scale, “medical cannabis” cultivation facilities.

The ordinance does not limit the size of the indoor operations, but says the council has received proposals ranging from 20,000 to 100,000 square feet.

“The cultivation of medical cannabis in Oakland has not been regulated and occurs entirely in small-scale home operations or larger-scale illicit warehouses,” reads a report submitted to the committee by city council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid. “These unregulated operations have led to public safety hazards, including fires, burglaries and home invasions, health risks to patients, and related response costs to the city.”

But the plan doesn’t restrict operations to Oakland. “Responsible transfer permits” would allow registered dispensaries anywhere in the state to purchase medical marijuana from the city’s pot farms. “Sales would be subject to the recently approved sales tax on medical cannabis providing additional revenue for the city through sales taxes,” reads the report.

In addition to improving public safety, the report suggests the plan could help revive the city’s anemic finances, raising anywhere from $3 million to $38 million in permit fees and sales taxes.

Experts say licensed marijuana-growing operations of this size and purpose do not exist anywhere in the world. Even the pot-friendly Netherlands only legally permits small-scale marijuana cultivation for distribution to consumers.

“I am not aware of any indoor-growing facility of that size or one whose product is meant to be consumed,” said Jonathan Caulkins, a Carnegie Mellon professor who co-authored a recent RAND Corporation study on marijuana in California.

Dale Gieringer, who heads the California branch of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said he could think of only a few government-sanctioned, outdoor pot farms that were larger than the indoor facilities being considered for Oakland.

“This is a very big deal,” he said.

The plan is raising a few eyebrows, even among legalization advocates like Gieringer. He said the ordinance envisions a “monopoly” for marijuana growers while also maintaining a virtual stranglehold on distribution (the plan would increase the number of legal dispensaries in Oakland from four to six).

“There are certainly more than four brands of wine and beer in Oakland and there are certainly more than four brands of cannabis,” Gieringer said.

But the supporters predict the plan would lead to lower prices and help wipe out illegal growing operations.

“Permitting larger-scale cultivation will allow for lower production costs per pound by creating economies of scale,” reads the committee report. “Lower production costs will allow regulated cultivation facilities to undercut wholesale prices of cannabis grown in unregulated operations.” Still, the report estimates dispensaries will continue to purchase at least 20 percent of their product from boutique growers who cultivate within a 96-square-foot legal limit.

Berkeley’s City Council is also considering industrial-scale marijuana cultivation and Mendocino recently passed regulations allowing outdoor pot farms to expand capacity to 99 plants per land parcel.

It’s leading some observers to wonder whether the battle for the statewide medical marijuana market – and accompanying tax dollars – is intensifying among local governments, well in advance of the vote this fall to legalize marijuana use in California.

Of course, much depends on the actions (or inactions) of the federal government. The feds still classify pot as a schedule one narcotic and DEA agents continue to raid some farms that claim to be operating within the state’s medical marijuana laws.

KQED's Forum program devoted an hour today to the Oakland ordinance.
 

vta

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by outlawing personal medical gardens

I commented in your other post about this.

Where does it say that? That medical users can't grow their own.

btw...they can't do that anyway...it would be against State law.
 
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JackTheGrower

It means they are desperate and are trying to get to the Reward before the Initiative is voted on.

I was there I know this is about THEM getting market share! Why do you think they believe 5x5???

Wake up Jack Herer's Initiative is looking better all the time for 2012!!!!!
 

Jalisco Kid

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This is why we need a better law to vote on. I can not believe people like Tom and Sam are following this duchebag. It seems funny but right to be on the other side from some semi-heros. JK
 

grapeman

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I knew this guy was shit when he INVITED the union to sign up his workers. With the unions behind him now, he is fully accepted now by the leftists that run his city and this state.

No sane employer would ever invite a union into their shop unless there was a nefarious purpose.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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You guys are all scared of nothing. IT SAY NO WHERE IN THE BILL THAT IT LIMITS PROP 215.

Even if Richard Lee can get a monopoly he will broken apart. MONOPOLIES ARE ILLEGAL IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! therefore your fears are unjustified.

get over it. some one is going to make more money than you always..... big fucking deal. He worked for it for years. HE IS THE ONE THAT WENT OUT AND TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO GET THIS DONE. He deserves some credit and all you people do is bash him, when you have not been able to do what he did him self. He is the one that put himself in the limelight to put federal attention on him, and he has had to deal with that too. You act as if he hasnt had to deal with DEA, and shit personally, or that he doesnt even know what weed is. You treat him like some wall street CEO that doesnt know what he is trading.

makes me fucking sick to see this person judged so harshly, when he is trying to help the country. I bet some of you people bashed soldiers coming back from nam too.

Oh and btw at the core a lot of hippies were freeloaders that traveled around the county on other peoples dimes, and bitched about the government but didnt pay an taxes because they didnt have jobs, or realistic goals. real fucking admirable. They say they couldnt get jobs because they would get drafted but that is some bs. they couldnt get jobs because they were to lazy and always fucked up. Illegal Immigrants get jobs under the table and they dont even speak the language, they smoke more weed too. Those hippies didnt want a job.
 

ReelBusy1

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It means they are desperate and are trying to get to the Reward before the Initiative is voted on.

I was there I know this is about THEM getting market share! Why do you think they believe 5x5???

Wake up Jack Herer's Initiative is looking better all the time for 2012!!!!!


It's already a business folks stop pretending it isn't.
WSe are talking about taking frm underground to retail.
there's no getting around taxes if its a legal bizness
or you can pay the tax by risking long jail sentences.
Id rather pay with cash.
 

ReelBusy1

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You guys are all scared of nothing. IT SAY NO WHERE IN THE BILL THAT IT LIMITS PROP 215.

Even if Richard Lee can get a monopoly he will broken apart. MONOPOLIES ARE ILLEGAL IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! therefore your fears are unjustified.

get over it. some one is going to make more money than you always..... big fucking deal. He worked for it for years. HE IS THE ONE THAT WENT OUT AND TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO GET THIS DONE. He deserves some credit and all you people do is bash him, when you have not been able to do what he did him self. He is the one that put himself in the limelight to put federal attention on him, and he has had to deal with that too. You act as if he hasnt had to deal with DEA, and shit personally, or that he doesnt even know what weed is. You treat him like some wall street CEO that doesnt know what he is trading.

makes me fucking sick to see this person judged so harshly, when he is trying to help the country. I bet some of you people bashed soldiers coming back from nam too.

Oh and btw at the core a lot of hippies were freeloaders that traveled around the county on other peoples dimes, and bitched about the government but didnt pay an taxes because they didnt have jobs, or realistic goals. real fucking admirable. They say they couldnt get jobs because they would get drafted but that is some bs. they couldnt get jobs because they were to lazy and always fucked up. Illegal Immigrants get jobs under the table and they dont even speak the language, they smoke more weed too. Those hippies didnt want a job.


these are the same guys complaining that love computers but hate Bill Gates for getting rich by putting three of them in every house connected with the rest of the world.

some work harder to get ahead in the world
some don't but resent the ones that do.
 

pearlemae

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Its all about the money and nothing else. If Oakland wasn't getting tax monies from the small guy.The big mega grower program set up that looks like it will get going is more than willing to pay the freight the city wants. Why? money. And I think that you'll see the retail prices go up,up,up. Sad state of affairs, but that what comes with getting it legal.
 

Feb2006er

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"He worked for it for years. HE IS THE ONE THAT WENT OUT AND TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO GET THIS DONE. He deserves some credit and all you people do is bash him, when you have not been able to do what he did him self."

I give him credit for using underhanded tactics to make sure that he gets to monopolize a market. He's one hell of a business man. You cannot deny that.
 
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JackTheGrower

and yet we can all benefit from it.

How? I live in a Dry ( red )County so no business is possible
I can only Grow if my Landlord says so ( per Prop 19 ) so growing depends on my economic ability.

Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property.

Millions of people will not have the freedom to grow!

Oh and the Specific language that specifically does not protect us from testing positive on the job.

Again how is this a good thing for the average person?
 
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grapeman

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You guys are all scared of nothing. IT SAY NO WHERE IN THE BILL THAT IT LIMITS PROP 215.

Even if Richard Lee can get a monopoly he will broken apart. MONOPOLIES ARE ILLEGAL IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! therefore your fears are unjustified.

I don't know wether to laugh or cry about your comment that monopolies are illegal and the "government" will break them apart.

If the government even elects to do just that, it will take a decade or more to do so. In the meantime, entry into the "grow' business will be prevented.

In recent memory, it took at least a decade to break up ma bell into baby bells. How did that work for you?

Where does your faith in politicians come from anyway?
 

johnnyla

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Growers need to organize. There should be a growers union that represents small growers and even supports a tax and can buy off their own politicians. It's a sad state of affairs. Stoners weren't/aren't ready for politics. Getting legal is a whole new ball of wax. Welcome to beauracracy and red tape. Not what most dreamed about.
 
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JackTheGrower

Growers need to organize. There should be a growers union that represents small growers and even supports a tax and can buy off their own politicians. It's a sad state of affairs. Stoners weren't/aren't ready for politics. Getting legal is a whole new ball of wax. Welcome to bureaucracy and red tape. Not what most dreamed about.

There is a Central distribution hub for medical Cannabis in California.

There is a thread in the cannabis politics forum about it. Oh a year or year and a half ago on it's creation.

So there is a chance to compete in distributing but there is no doubt that volume is an advantage.

We are the frog in the pan of water. Put a frog in a pan of hot water and it will jump out. Put a frog in a pan of cold water then heat it slowly to a boil and it will never notice.

I notice the water is now getting close to a boil.
 
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