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flowerindan
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are they in some kind of humidity dome normally?
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HighAltitude
are you saying that you take a cut and stick them in the soil and they just lump over? or are you saying when you remove your dome they lump over and dont recover?
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LolaGal
Here's what I do, works pretty fair for me.
1) Use peat pellets, and after they are wet, fluff them up a little with hands to no dry spot in them.
2) Cut each clone individually, recut bottom on 45, place into wet peat pellet after applying rooting hormone.
3) Place into a plastic clear tote with a lid, and put under 24/0 light from a 400 watter.
4) Oh, forgot! Feed Mamma with general ferts and CalMag day before cutting.
5) Don't let them dry out and make sure they get some fresh air.
6) I turned 2 totes into a tote/lid combo, and this lets air in between the totes, so I don't even open it.
7) Roots in a couple weeks. Check every few days for water.
Hope this helps!
I think cutting clones and putting right into the peat pellet is the key to not wilting. Also a lid for humidity.
1) Use peat pellets, and after they are wet, fluff them up a little with hands to no dry spot in them.
2) Cut each clone individually, recut bottom on 45, place into wet peat pellet after applying rooting hormone.
3) Place into a plastic clear tote with a lid, and put under 24/0 light from a 400 watter.
4) Oh, forgot! Feed Mamma with general ferts and CalMag day before cutting.
5) Don't let them dry out and make sure they get some fresh air.
6) I turned 2 totes into a tote/lid combo, and this lets air in between the totes, so I don't even open it.
7) Roots in a couple weeks. Check every few days for water.
Hope this helps!
I think cutting clones and putting right into the peat pellet is the key to not wilting. Also a lid for humidity.
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HighAltitude
Details please, details.
Is it a cutting stuck in dirt or is this a clone with roots that you transplanted and it wilted? Cuttings need to absorb moisture somehow and if they don't have roots it needs to come through the stem and leaves. If the humidity in your area is lower than 70%, you'll most likely need a dome or something to trap it in.
75F is also a great temp to keep them at until they grow roots. Constant temp is best.
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Guest 18340
The method I used is the one Rez described in his forum. They're in coco...
I've tried rooting in dirt, rapid rooters, cup of water, with dome/without, you name it.
Either they wilt like this within a few minutes and never recover or they just never grow roots.
I'm sriously considering just packing it in.
I have THOUSANDS invested in 2 seperate grow rooms and I cant get clones to survive worth a shit.
Damn LolaGal, if only it was that easy for me
I've tried rooting in dirt, rapid rooters, cup of water, with dome/without, you name it.
Either they wilt like this within a few minutes and never recover or they just never grow roots.
I'm sriously considering just packing it in.
I have THOUSANDS invested in 2 seperate grow rooms and I cant get clones to survive worth a shit.
Damn LolaGal, if only it was that easy for me
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Guest 18340
I get the same reaction from them when I use domes.
I just don't get it. I'm methodical in cleaning everything, I use clean razors, clean fresh coco, r/o water, with/without hormones, etc. Seriously, I get 1% success. The only reason I had a mom plant to cut these off from was because it was the only clone to previously survive.
The kick in the balls is that i'll throw them away in my yard only to see them growing a week later
I just don't get it. I'm methodical in cleaning everything, I use clean razors, clean fresh coco, r/o water, with/without hormones, etc. Seriously, I get 1% success. The only reason I had a mom plant to cut these off from was because it was the only clone to previously survive.
The kick in the balls is that i'll throw them away in my yard only to see them growing a week later
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HighAltitude
dont give up bruddah..jsut dont take it to serious..snip/hack alimb dunk in rooting hormone and stick in coco..water real good and stick the cup/clone in a ziplock freezer bag..do some experiments and have some fun wit it.. smoke a bowl 
to much love to a clone can kill clones quick
sorry for the spelling im bakedd
to much love to a clone can kill clones quicksorry for the spelling im bakedd
Don't pack it in, you're as little as one tweak away from success. Too wet and too dry can both cause your cuts to not stand up. I only mist very rigid cuttings, otherwise their leaves are too heavy and droop like the ones in the pics.
If they're wilting within a few minutes, your cuts and possibly the plant you're taking them from aren't hydrated enough. If that's not it, are you giving the cuts HID light? They need very little light to grow roots.
The cuts in the pics look like the tender tips of under hydrated plants. A fully hydrated cut should be fairly rigid. I usually let mine stand in a glass of water while I prep my plugs. Large whole leaves sometimes droop easily. You shouldn't need more than a half to 2/3 of em and no more than 2 to 4 leaves total.
Cut your clones so that weight is evenly distributed around the stem. This keeps a single heavy leaf from pulling the whole thing over.
Clones used to be a tuff one for me too. I started letting the mother plant get big as hell and cut twice as many clones as I needed. Some I sprayed, some I didn't. Some were domed, some weren't. Always wash your hands and don't touch the incisions. Keep your tools clean and pathogen problems will be minimal. Hope you get it worked out.
If they're wilting within a few minutes, your cuts and possibly the plant you're taking them from aren't hydrated enough. If that's not it, are you giving the cuts HID light? They need very little light to grow roots.
The cuts in the pics look like the tender tips of under hydrated plants. A fully hydrated cut should be fairly rigid. I usually let mine stand in a glass of water while I prep my plugs. Large whole leaves sometimes droop easily. You shouldn't need more than a half to 2/3 of em and no more than 2 to 4 leaves total.
Cut your clones so that weight is evenly distributed around the stem. This keeps a single heavy leaf from pulling the whole thing over.
Clones used to be a tuff one for me too. I started letting the mother plant get big as hell and cut twice as many clones as I needed. Some I sprayed, some I didn't. Some were domed, some weren't. Always wash your hands and don't touch the incisions. Keep your tools clean and pathogen problems will be minimal. Hope you get it worked out.
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LolaGal
I think the key is leaving them in a room with indirect light from my 400 watters. They seem to do the best under 24/0 from this source light.
Sometimes, mine die, but usually it's because I didn't take care of them, let em get too wet or too dry.
Try the peat pellets. They work the best of anything I try. Wanna see a pic of my clone box? I took some a little while ago if you do.
Sometimes, mine die, but usually it's because I didn't take care of them, let em get too wet or too dry.
Try the peat pellets. They work the best of anything I try. Wanna see a pic of my clone box? I took some a little while ago if you do.
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Guest 18340
Thanks for all the advise folks. I'm gonna wait until tomorrow before I start to panic.
I'd love to see pics of your clone box LolaGal, I'll try anything at this point.
I'd love to see pics of your clone box LolaGal, I'll try anything at this point.
maryj315
Member
Good post Disco.My clones always fell over as well a little over a month ago i found a thread suggesting to leave them standing in water for a bit after i cut them from the host tried it this round and it worked
My clone room is over 80 degrees and i still have to have a heat source underneath just enough to feel a little heat on the bottom of the pucks and it makes the dome build up with moisture
This last batch the first clone rooted in 23 days and the last took 28 if you can keep them green they will root
Took me three years to get serious about rooting clones and making my own beans my biggest problem was always trying different methods and not following directions as written
If you have a mother plant practice make clones when you do not need them and you will not be so stressed if they do not root
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jonezin
Member
I've had 100% success so far using that water bottle ice cube maker thing from WalMart that there is a thread about. I'm sure you've seen it but the thread is here. I don't know if I did it exactly like he did. I used that ice cube thing with straight vermiculite. I sat it in a small clear tub thing a little bit bigger than the ice cube thing. I just took cutting off the very bottom of the plants (most of them were extremely small) and poked a hole into the vermiculite after it was hydrated. I dipped the cuttings in TakeRoot and stuck them in the holes. I didn't use a dome. I sprayed them with water a couple of times during the week or so that it took for them to root. After a couple days I ended up putting an airstone in the water in the tub. I had teh water about an inch deep. I took all of the cuttings over a 3 day period and checked them after a week and they were all rooted. 4-6 of them were actually only in there for 5 days or something and they had roots already. I have them all in soil now and am going to use them as soon as my current flowering plants get done.
I cloned a TON of plants one time with just water with an airstone in the water and they all rooted. I forgot how I even held them upright in the water now because it was so long ago (1993 I think) but every single one of them rooted. I've never been in a hurry with any cuttings/clones. Those ones I did recently in the ice cube thing I just decided to check after a week and they just happened to have roots already so I put them in soil. I think a lot of people get too impatient with them.
For the record I am no expert and not even close to it. I'm just telling you what has worked for me. I was kind of worried with these last ones I just did because they were so damn small but they worked out great.
I cloned a TON of plants one time with just water with an airstone in the water and they all rooted. I forgot how I even held them upright in the water now because it was so long ago (1993 I think) but every single one of them rooted. I've never been in a hurry with any cuttings/clones. Those ones I did recently in the ice cube thing I just decided to check after a week and they just happened to have roots already so I put them in soil. I think a lot of people get too impatient with them.
For the record I am no expert and not even close to it. I'm just telling you what has worked for me. I was kind of worried with these last ones I just did because they were so damn small but they worked out great.
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LolaGal
here's my exotic setup... lol
these clones are about 10 days old
1st time i used the bigger peat pellets, i expect longer rooting times witj 4 times the peat pellet size
good luck
edit: I forgot to mention, but I cut these clones right after spraying my plants with Neem Oil and soap. It was hard on the parents, but didn't seem to phase the babies. I never even rinsed them off.
I think the cheap methods work better?
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You can always try "Grandma's" rooting method:
Water the mother plant 30 minutes before hand.
Take a cutting, and then while holding it under running water make another, 45 degree cut (to prevent embolism). Place cutting in a glass of water and place glass of water in window (or flouros, indirect sunlight, or HID).
Wait for roots. It may take weeks, but they will show.
This method works with almost any plant, and require no rooting hormones.
If you wish, you can use General Hydroponics liquid food at 0/3/4.5 ml per gallon (G/M/B) and 1 drop per gallon of SuperThrive for your clone solution.
Water the mother plant 30 minutes before hand.
Take a cutting, and then while holding it under running water make another, 45 degree cut (to prevent embolism). Place cutting in a glass of water and place glass of water in window (or flouros, indirect sunlight, or HID).
Wait for roots. It may take weeks, but they will show.
This method works with almost any plant, and require no rooting hormones.
If you wish, you can use General Hydroponics liquid food at 0/3/4.5 ml per gallon (G/M/B) and 1 drop per gallon of SuperThrive for your clone solution.
gonzo`
Member
I'm surprised you're having problems cloning. I've had a very high success rate myself and I'm a total newb. You must just cut, dip in rooting hormone and then stick them into whatever (coco, jiffy pellet, ez cloner) and then give them a good spray with some water or mild solution of canna rhizo and put them in a humid place (idealy a propagator).. Stick that under floros and your done... Don't open the propegator for a few days, just let them be...
If you've invested thousands just go buy yourself an ez cloner, it isnt much simpler than that...
If you've invested thousands just go buy yourself an ez cloner, it isnt much simpler than that...
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Guest 18340
here's my exotic setup... lol
these clones are about 10 days old
1st time i used the bigger peat pellets, i expect longer rooting times witj 4 times the peat pellet size
good luck
edit: I forgot to mention, but I cut these clones right after spraying my plants with Neem Oil and soap. It was hard on the parents, but didn't seem to phase the babies. I never even rinsed them off.
I think the cheap methods work better?
Thats quite an ingenious set up Lola'. Can I get those plugs at Walmart?
I do have a whole rapid rooter setup, tray with holes for plugs and the dome, but I had the same exact failure with it.
I also have a cloner. Same shit. Most would wilt and not come back, others would get lighter and lighter green until the were damn near yellow, nothing would root.
I went ahead and cut 2 fresh clones and did the the Grandma way and put em in cups of water.
I'm sick to my stomach over this 'cause I have alot of $$$ invested in two sealed and AC'd rooms and I can't do shit because of my cloning situation.
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I hate to be off topic but maybe you could chuck some pollen here and there, grow from seed while you're honing your clone skills.
