WonderWoman[ yellowing and deadleaves ]

[@MUFFINMAN@]

ok so ive been veging this wonderwoman for about 2 months or so and here she is ...



i currently dont have anywhere to flower but ill be getting to that pretty soon.


but recently ive seen alot of dead leaves and things mostly near the lower branches but this fanleaf was towards the middle




i think this one would look cool as a background lol ^^^
and if its any clearer






could you tel me if i should be worried or not ?

 

[Core]

check soils ph ....but i would lean towards overfeeding.....but this is just my

 

[@MUFFINMAN@]

check soils ph ....but i would lean towards overfeeding.....but this is just my

hmm im using fox farms soil in the red bag i forgot wat it was called but other than that i havent been feeding with anything else i aded some flora nova veg nutes a while back but just a small amount because it did lead to some nut burn but i dont think thats the problem now ..but thank you ill check my soil ph as soon as i can get one of those little test sticks

 

[bergerbuddy]

Looks like a cal/mag early def... starts near middle... or sulphar starts towards the bottom.

I would give it a good nute feeding with ph 6.3 water. I have found that early signs of nute burn show at the plants upper leaf tips.... first yellowing then browning out... and this is just the TIP of the leaf... of course the rams horn curling of the upper leaves and a dark dark green color are also signs of over fert...

This plant needs some macro/micro nutes...
one note if your lighting is not premium, ie. a nice HID or equal, don't feed TOO strong on the nutes... I would expect you to see some enhanced growth shortly after feeding...if the plant has only had fert the one time you mentioned other than what was in the soil..

Peace

 

[Core]

this is no cal/mag problem that i kno for shure....i wonder what the more exp'd peeps are thinking...

 

[Brother_Monk]

Hey core wassup. Have you taken a peek at the rootmass? I'm willing to bet she's bitchin' cause she want's to stretch her legs. Perhaps a light feeding, or better yet, a transplant is in order?

Peace
BM

 

[Sinfuldreams]

I'll vote for

I'll vote for

Brother Monk!

Since what ever it is will stop when you plant to a larger pot with more soil, providing you amened acordingly.

It's the easiest way anyhow

Sin

 

[bergerbuddy]

Well i'll tell ya what.... that plants size versus the pot she is in... if she is rootbound then her root mass must susbtainially out do her leaf mass???

That being said.. I think BrotherMonk and Sinful have a good point... you add more soil and your problem will most likely go away... why?? because you have more nutes in the soil.

So you certainly can't go wrong following the bro's advice... but I will say again, if the leaves you are showing are comming from the upper/middle of the plant you have a MAG problem.... if its towards the bottom it could well be a SULFAR problem, I think you as opposed to many with problems... can safely rule out nutrient overfeeding

Your plant merely needs a good flush with PH'd QUALITY fertilizer mix... fox farms, canna, AN, Pureblend.... any of these... and I will re-itereate that if it is under good HID give it a full dose, if it is under flores.. or a smaller HID give it 3/4 of a dose... or just give it 3/4 to be safe.... that will fix your problem...
If you transplant.... water it in with a PH'd fert mix and you will basically be following EVERYONES advice... and I promise you, your plant will love ya for it

Peace...

here is a link to learn a little on mag and sulf def...
http://www.canna.nl/english/index1.html once there click on growinfo then on info courier then on MAGNESIUM DEFFICANCY or SULFAR ... you'll see picks just like muffinmans above..

Peace
BB

 

[Core]

i agree 2 an extent...

i agree 2 an extent...

if you know it that good ....then you tell me what this is....i've already corrected the problem so i know what it is.... comon dude give us a guess....



i'm not attacking you in any way...just that you kno..

this can only be resolved if PPM's or EC is taken from the runoff's...

 

[pyrojohnhippy]

Somethings locked out there.... you're plants are looking pretty healthy but shit like that will keep them from fulfilling their potential genetics. you should check your ph like these dudes are saying. you might even try a lil flush with h2o2. try and get back to a level starting point for feeding. what nutrients and what strength are you feeding your plants at? and.. how many times and how much water are you feeding them? I can't really tell how tall your plants are or what size containers you have them in by the pictures either but from the looks of it the should be fine in what they're in. i've seen plant's flowered yielding huge in smaller. but i don't know a 1/1000000 as much as some as these other stoners around here so keep your ears open... good luck

 

[Guest]

this can only be resolved if PPM's or EC is taken from the runoff's...

measuring the run off wont tell you alot to be honest mate. Theres too many variables that can effect the readings.
I see what you want to achieve. Nutrient testers test the
dissolved solids in the solutions. Organic solutions tend to
under read, and it is mainly due to insolubilities, and may
also be due to organic oils not dissolving and not
conducting.
To do a test on a potting mix, we would fill a jar about 1/3
full of soil, and the rest with close to pH neutral water.
We shake it vigorously and then allow it to settle, and test
the liquid. This is good for pH testing and might be able to
yield some results with an EC/CF meter.
I don't think that testing the flow of water from the bottom
of pots will help you at all. The speed of the water when
you flush, the quantity flowing through and quantity in the
test, all will hugely remove any science from the results.
If an amount of minerals dissolve, and you have them in an
unspecific amount of water the EC will change, yet the
mineral salts content will not. There would not be any data
that is useful here.

IMO that top pic looks rootbound, or its not getting enough light.
It also looks a little heat stressed. Appears to have a little potassium deficiency which could be caused by Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.

This may help you abit- http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/plant_abuse.html

 

[Core]

maybe its not that reliable but it can give you an idea...atleast imo...
if you poor ph'd water tru wich ppm's are taken and you run that water tru the side of the container untill you have just enough runoff to messeaure...you will see the diffrence much fertz or not.....thats the idea...

the other day i did manage to make a 'good' diagnose on the problems i had...i'm not pulling your leg..
i did have an overdose..K to be more exact.....that woz the pic i woz showing...and it also looks like mg def....



i gave them a full strenght nute ....a REALY good flush..ph'd ofcause....and next day the where standin up and more lush green...praying again..

P.S.( in general) i thougt cannabis infirmary woz a process of allimintion...i just stated my above

 

[bergerbuddy]

Core, the important thing when growing cannabis, is not necessarily knowing what nutreint is lacking, bound up, in excess etc.. its knowing what you have been doing and HOW TO FIX it.... In the case of the top plant, we were told the soil it was in, incidently a good soil, we were told that the entire plants life it had only been given flora nova fertilzer on one or maybe two occasions and then discontinued... because he thought he may have burnt the plant...
Now maybe thats why the soils out of whack? I don't know, maybe the plant needs some nutes.... probably, most nute deficency symptoms are a COMBINATION of things such as medium temp, PH, heat, low light, humidity, fertilizer or lack there of, and additives/enhancements.
In a nice effective simple system like Muffinman is using to grow his "mama" it seemed quite logicgal, especially if that WAS a moma plant, to transplant it into a larger container and water it in with a good fertilizer mix. This would most likely fix any soil problems should there be any, by nutrelizing the existing soil to some degree with the new soil.. The new soil would contain SOME nutients which the roots are going to be exposed to relatively quickly and the soak would contain a good spectrum of Macro and Micro nutrients, fixing WHATEVER macro micro rootbound ph'dup problem Muffinman is having...
Would you agree?
As for your problem you would need to explain what you have been doing to that little mag/sulfar/iron def or nutrient locked up thing?? And I think we could fix it.... now if your just testing ME? to see what I Would have done... Ok.... I would take that thing plant it in a 2 gallon bucket, hit it with a 3/4 dose of Canna Terra... and a full cut does of Rhizotonic along with some cannaenzyme every day .... veg it for another 7 days... flip it keep water with canna adjusted mix 5 on 2 off.... and smoke the bud when it finished.

Peace

Core I missed your last post there.. but I would like to point out that the reason potassium fixated soil looks like a mag def.. is because it locks out magnesium and therefore while it IS a mag def, just adding more mag would not fix prob... rather leaching the soil reducing levels of potassium and THEN adding a cal/mag.. which contains macro/micro profile would be just fine in fixing you MAG def plant

 

[Core]

i agree on the first part...

but if i say give them a full nuted realy good ph'd flush ..would you agree ?

second its not my plant that needs help...i admit i did make a huge mistake thats why i'm shure mine IS a K overdose ..but i'm not here for infirmary....i already corrected the problem...
but i must admit i think your methode would work also for fixing my plant......exept nutes for few days...not every1 has the space 2 repot bigger but that 2 the side....

and i say again this is NO Mg DEF !! this is a mg lockup...its a big diffrence my friend.....i thought so in the beginning and i added mg...it just got worse....

 

[@MUFFINMAN@]

sooo about re potting.. right now iv havent got anywhere to flower any plants witch i need ...so ill be building a cabinet to fit inside my closet so it can get air and all that good stuff . So i was wondering do you think re potting is safe? lol i dont want her getting to fat and not having anywhere to put her if you know what im saying.

but thanks for all the replies i really appreciate it. and ill go buy a 5 gallon pot i think the one its in is 3 galllon pot but i dont know on the bottom it says 10 " ? idk wat that means lol but yeh ill move it into a biggerpot when i have rooom

 

[Sinfuldreams]

It's cool to keep it in that pot for awhile Longer.
Just understand you will have some problems with the leaves.

Sin

 

[Core]

if you have the room ...repot her....it improves your yield also considerable...but if you dont have the space ...then i suggest that you follow my advise....this aint bad advise i'm giving...othwise i would shut up.......this to my defence ....

and again this is a proces of elimination imo....

Nway good luck !!

 

[bergerbuddy]

i agree on the first part...

but if i say give them a full nuted realy good ph'd flush ..would you agree ?

second its not my plant that needs help...i admit i did make a huge mistake thats why i'm shure mine IS a K overdose ..but i'm not here for infirmary....i already corrected the problem...
but i must admit i think your methode would work also for fixing my plant......exept nutes for few days...not every1 has the space 2 repot bigger but that 2 the side....

and i say again this is NO Mg DEF !! this is a mg lockup...its a big diffrence my friend.....i thought so in the beginning and i added mg...it just got worse....

Well said, I agree and I do agree with your last part about the MG thing... your right on there! that IS an important distinction

Muffin how is that girl doing??


Peace

BB