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Will Privacy Go To The Dogs?

vta

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Source: New York Times (NY)
Author: Jeffrey A. Meyer
Note: Jeffrey A. Meyer is a professor at Quinnipiac University School
of Law and a visiting professor at Yale Law School.




WILL PRIVACY GO TO THE DOGS?


THIS Halloween, the United States Supreme Court will devote its day to dogs. The court will hear two cases from Florida to test whether "police dog sniffs" violate our privacy rights under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. These two cases have not yet grabbed many headlines, but the court's decisions could shape our rights to privacy in profound and surprising ways.

The Fourth Amendment protects the right of the people to be free from "unreasonable searches and seizures." Ordinarily, unless the police trespass or otherwise intrude upon a reasonable expectation of privacy, they need not have probable cause or a warrant to justify their investigative activity. For decades now, the court has struggled with what it means for a person to have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" - especially when the police investigate with sense-enhancing means or technology.

One of the new cases asks the court to clarify how accurate a dog must be in terms of its past identification of contraband - for, as Justice David H. Souter once warned in dissent, "The infallible dog, however, is a creature of legal fiction."

My wife and I learned this firsthand at the Supreme Court itself several years ago. We were visiting the court for a reunion dinner of former law clerks of Justice Harry A. Blackmun. My mistake was to drive a car in which our dog - a tennis-ball-loving Australian shepherd - often rode. As we drove up to the back gate of the court to enter its highly secure underground parking garage, an officer emerged from a guard shack with a fearsome bomb-sniffing German shepherd and circled our car. The bomb dog suddenly perked up, and the officer coldly instructed me to open the trunk of my car. I watched as the court's canine rose up on its haunches - tail wagging - - and snagged from inside one of my dog's prized tennis balls. No bombs or contraband were found.

The second of the court's new dog cases asks if the police may take a drug-sniffing dog to the front porch of a home to sniff for evidence of marijuana inside. The court has always accorded special privacy protection for people's homes. In 2001, the court ruled, in an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, that police officers violated a homeowner's privacy when they parked across the street from a home and, without a warrant, used a thermal imaging device to scan the outside of the house for signs of unusual heat inside that might be caused by high-intensity lighting, which is often used to grow marijuana.

If the police can't thermal-scan your home from the street, why let them dog-scan it from your front porch? The government argues that a dog is alerted only by illegal contraband, while a thermal imager is set off more generally by "innocent" and "guilty" heat of all kinds coming from a home - whether from grow lights or from, as Justice Scalia noted in the thermal imager case, "the lady of the house" as she "takes her daily sauna and bath."

But, arguably, this distinction is misplaced. If the court rules for the government in the home-sniff case, it is hard to see why the police could not station drug-sniffing dogs outside the entrances to every school, supermarket and movie theater as a routine form of drug interdiction. Dog sniffs would never involve a privacy intrusion and therefore would not trigger the requirement that the police obtain a warrant or have individual suspicion.


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A fat cop and his dog helping to bring Big Brother to a mall near you.

Moreover, today's dogs will give way to tomorrow's high-tech contraband-scanning devices that, under the reasoning pressed in the dog cases, would free the government to conduct routine scans of people's homes or their bodies for all manner of contraband ( or possibly for noncontraband, like marijuana grow lights, that are most commonly associated with illegality ).

In the meantime, those of us who neither live in gated communities nor build gates to keep the police from our porches will retain much less privacy protection in our homes, despite the court's past assurance that "every man's house is his castle" and even the "poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all forces of government." This is the danger of basing the Constitution's protection on the efficacy of a dog's nose or the latest high-tech sensing device rather than on the privacy of the intimate space that a dog or device allows the police to invade.

On Oct. 31, the court will have the chance to preserve a long-held tenet of American privacy. The right choice is to affirm our rights in our homes and our persons to be free, in the absence of emergency circumstances, from the warrantless use of dogs and sense-enhancing technology.
 

igrowone

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great post, there's just so much activity right now in the legal system it's overwhelming, a good thing in this case
subbing in for eventual decision, could be a game changer
 

Buddy Holly

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i have no faith in the us supreme court to make the right decision so ill be watching this one closely.

as for an individuals reasonable expectation to privacy, i expect at least within my home i am not or cannot be subject to any search or surveillance without a warrant. just parking outside with a k9 to see if im smoking some bombers is fucking ludicrous.

at a movie theater or mall is another story, im going to someone else's property. but at my own house? fuck off pig.
 
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ak-51

I have more faith in the judicial branch than any other branch. I hope they get this right.
 

great brozini

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Wait until they come out with the electronic sniffers and make the dogs obsolete... Finding drugs at ridiculously low ppm levels. They're going to be just like the red light cameras eventually...

Be Brave in this New World homies ;)
 
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SeaMaiden

I am hopeful that the FALLIBILITY of the dog as a police officer will be brought to highlight. Where's that study that was done, out of UC Davis I think it was, that showed very clearly that a statistical majority of 'hits' were due to the handlers, and not the dogs actually hitting on something? Anyone else remember that?
 

Harry Gypsna

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Over here we've already got drug dogs all over the place.
If you use trains, there is a high chance of being sniffed either on the train, or at the station, same with coach travel, high chance of being sniffed at the departure point or the destination as well as have your luggage sniffed and maybe searched. Going to a gig/festival, the organisers might have agreed to drug dogs at the entrance and undercovers inside as a licence condition.
They say the reason for patrolling the trains is because a lot of drugs are moved around the country this way, but whenever you see this on the telly, it's always some poor bugger on his way home from work with half a gram in his pocket, or some teenager on the return journey to the suburbs from buying an eighth in town.
Even worse is ANPR. You drive home and pass the cops, their system flags up that you had a cannabis possession charge in 1995--you will now be stopped and have your car gone through--we have no protection against police searches here, if you are driving on the road, they can legally stop you for no reason, no reasonable suspicion, and search if they feel like it. Shit, they don't even need a warrant to enter your home anymore.
Add to all this the culture of informing that has been built up and the future really doesn't look good.
 

resinryder

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They have got to get this through the SCOTUS so they can use it against us later on. Both parties have been so busy setting up laws that take more and more of our liberties and rights away. Just another step towards the police state some dumb ass citizens are allowing by electing the same parties into power over and over. To those that can only think red or blue here's the finger and giant fuck you.
 
If the dog is wrong they are looking at one hell of a lawsuit. Stick it to them..

I was in Lake Tahoe last year and many police cars were blocking a large area of the hotel entrance/exit.. My father and I were walking passed the police officers and their parked police cruisers (didnt have a choice), and one of the cars, to my surprise, had a k-9 unit and the window was open. The dog barked at me like crazy for walking by and I turned around and I started yelling at the 10 cops saying I was assaulted by the police dog. I told them if it happens again i`m filing an assault charge against the k-9 unit for scaring hotel guests half to death. ..It was a VERY nice hotel.

I passed by 5 minutes later and ALL police cars were gone. lol..
 

supermanlives

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the piggies are all for anything that makes thier job easier. whatever freedom we had is slowly dissapearing till eventually its all gone. hopefully by then i will be gone too.
 

Harry Gypsna

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the piggies are all for anything that makes thier job easier. whatever freedom we had is slowly dissapearing till eventually its all gone. hopefully by then i will be gone too.
I hear that.
Dozy pigs Tazered a BLIND MAN here last week. Apparently his white cane resembled a samurai sword.
 

crazybear

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They have got to get this through the SCOTUS so they can use it against us later on. Both parties have been so busy setting up laws that take more and more of our liberties and rights away. Just another step towards the police state some dumb ass citizens are allowing by electing the same parties into power over and over. To those that can only think red or blue here's the finger and giant fuck you.

So true , so sad nobody stand up for our right's & if they do they are labeled a terrorist !
 
There are plenty of videos on youtube showing police circling a car repeatedly till they cue a dog to alert handler error even if it's not intentional is very common.
 

FunkBomb

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“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”

-George Orwell, 1984

-Funk
 
George was so right it's happening now just most people are smiling about there simple new toy and are dumbed down so far they won't wake up until they are in a prison and are still buying the propaganda with a stupid grin on their face.
 
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SeaMaiden

I hear that.
Dozy pigs Tazered a BLIND MAN here last week. Apparently his white cane resembled a samurai sword.

Oh. My. GOD! Aren't samurai swords curved? And aren't the white canes pretty straight? Where's the facepalm emoticon when you need it?

I think our future is becoming this odd combination of Orwell and Vonnegut (Harrison Bergeron). We're stupid, but we need watching.
 
Had a few plain clothes in my business other day investigating some fraud and they both said ppl should have to leave a fingerprint for every check or cc transaction. I had to bite my tongue espicially after they had 2 of my managers looking through the cameras for over an hour b/c they can't read a calendar. Cops are dumb and they only get you when their mindless training works out for them. You know like ripping your car apart.
 

poo-hand

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There are two dog cases, one of which is the state of Florida vs. Jardine. This is a HUGE case!
Its out of Florida, The police in Florida got an annonymous tip about a grow house and they took a dog up to the front porch of the house and it alerted to contraband.
with the alert the police were able to obtain a search warrant and enter the house, where they discovered a grow operation.

No one can predict how the supreme court will rule, but most of the experts agree the Jardine case will probably win and the other will probably lose.

This is a really big case for a lot of growers. cops are known to do shady stuff to find grow houses, then with out warrants they take a dog to the house sniff around and if the dog "hits" then they are able to get a search warrant to enter the house.

This argument is all about the cops needing a search warrant to bring a dog on to private property.
 

vta

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Source: Seattle Times (WA)
Author: David G. Savage


JUSTICES OBJECT TO POLICE BRINGING DRUG-SNIFFING DOGS TO FRONT PORCH

Officer's Lawyer Meets Opposition to View Consent Was Implied

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court justices spent part of Halloween debating whether visitors, including police officers with dogs, have a right to stand on the front porch of a house and knock on the door, or whether such unwanted visits may violate the rights of the homeowner.

The question arose in a case involving whether police may use a dog to sniff for illegal drugs at the front door of a home.

A lawyer defending a Florida police officer said that since "trick-or-treaters" can visit a front porch, so can a police officer with his trained dog.

"It's well-established, we think, going back to the common law, that there is an implied consent for people, visitors, salesmen, Girl Scouts, trick-or-treaters, to come to your house and knock on the door," said Washington attorney Gregory Garre.

Garre ran into opposition from most of the jurists, including Justice Antonin Scalia.

It is "not implied consent for the policeman to come up with the dog," said Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Scalia agreed. "When the officer's going there to conduct a search, it's not permitted," he said.

Garre was defending a Miami police officer who took his drug dog, Franky, to the front of a house searching for evidence of marijuana. When Franky alerted near the front door, the officer obtained a search warrant and found marijuana growing inside.

The Supreme Court took up the case to decide whether such an action violates the Fourth Amendment's ban on "unreasonable searches."

"In my neighborhood, neighbors can bring their dog up on the leash when they knock on your front door, and I think that's true in most neighborhoods in America," Garre said.

Justice Stephen Breyer said a homeowner "would resent someone coming up with a large animal sitting on a front step ... and sniffing for five to 15 minutes."

Ginsburg said that if the court were to approve this law-enforcement tactic, police could "just go down the street, have the dog sniff in front of every door, or go into an apartment building."

Scalia, one of the court's conservative leaders, has drawn a line against searches that invade private space. In January, he wrote an opinion limiting law enforcement's use of a GPS device for tracking movement of a car. Putting the device on the vehicle was a "physical intrusion" into the owner's private property, he said.

Scalia and the four liberal justices sounded as though they will limit the police in using dogs around homes or apartments to sniff for illegal drugs.

But the justices suggested they were not inclined to require more proof that drug sniffing dogs are usually right when they "alert" and trigger a search of a car or truck. Many police departments use trained dogs to sniff around cars that have been stopped along the road, and an alert from a dog gives an officer probable cause to search inside.
 

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